That is a very low price, it will probably go up when it is more established.
No need to sell now though, as soon as the equipment comes the prices will be about the same and prices should rise together.
Topic: PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 15Mhash mining bond - page 4. (Read 24950 times)
PAJKA.BOND and DMS.MINING comparison:
PAJKA.BOND, current ask price 0.07794:
3 MH/s ~ 0.02598 per MH/s
15 MH/s ~ 0.00519 per MH/s
DMS.MINING, current ask price 0.01975:
5 MH/s ~ 0.00395 per MH/s
PAJKA.BOND for 0.06:
15 MH/s ~ 0.004 per MH/s => still more expensive than DMS.MINING.
PAJKA.BOND, current ask price 0.07794:
3 MH/s ~ 0.02598 per MH/s
15 MH/s ~ 0.00519 per MH/s
DMS.MINING, current ask price 0.01975:
5 MH/s ~ 0.00395 per MH/s
PAJKA.BOND for 0.06:
15 MH/s ~ 0.004 per MH/s => still more expensive than DMS.MINING.
Useful news, go get some DMS.MINING NOW
PAJKA.BOND and DMS.MINING comparison:
PAJKA.BOND, current ask price 0.07794:
3 MH/s ~ 0.02598 per MH/s
15 MH/s ~ 0.00519 per MH/s
DMS.MINING, current ask price 0.01975:
5 MH/s ~ 0.00395 per MH/s
PAJKA.BOND for 0.06:
15 MH/s ~ 0.004 per MH/s => still more expensive than DMS.MINING.
PAJKA.BOND, current ask price 0.07794:
3 MH/s ~ 0.02598 per MH/s
15 MH/s ~ 0.00519 per MH/s
DMS.MINING, current ask price 0.01975:
5 MH/s ~ 0.00395 per MH/s
PAJKA.BOND for 0.06:
15 MH/s ~ 0.004 per MH/s => still more expensive than DMS.MINING.
Honestly, this should be settled by a single statement: never, ever take investment advice from people who openly admit to having a position in the securities being discussed.
TAT.VM is trading better than some older PMBs because it is new and a lot of people want to flip it. PAJKA has always beeen a better investment than TAT; why do you think TAT conspicuously omitted that from his price comparison? It's not like it's easy to miss.
Just now finding these posts. Honestly, I had no idea PAJKA was a mining bond, and thus it was never included in my initial comparison chart.
Your accusation is a bit off-base considering that my chart did include comparisons to other mining assets with lower prices.
Also, your valuation of 15x is incorrect, if I am reading correctly that this bond is not actually hashing at 15mhs yet.
Soooooooo.... quit actin' like ya know.
Now that SOSLover has promised to not crap anymore on this thread, I'm certain we can get back to more cool-headed debate. I'm sure we can trust him in that he won't be back now that he's realized the losses from his panic.
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
I am not claiming that PMS is a SCAM!!! I am claiming that all PMBs is not a wise investment !!!!
Furuknap..I feel you are like a salesman for PAJKA BOND...You only describe how good is PMB ,but never ever gives any evidence to support your argument. and further more, you are continues mentioned me, what you really want?
This.
I mean really, I think this has been decided (and by decided, I mean I think we've hit an impasse). Granted, the best thing to do would've been to sell off the PAJKA bonds right at the difficulty increase, wait for the price to cascade, and then buy back in (especially if you were confident that BFL would ship). The price should theoretically go back up to its original value once the updated coupon payments start...
Honestly, for all anyone reading this thread knows, SOSLOVE, furuknap, and myself could have all been colluding to attack the PAJKA market and buy back in like I mentioned above. Caveat emptor, kids. But yeah, as its been emphasized all to many times on here, work the numbers for yourself based on your portfolio goals. If we have different goals for our portfolios in the long-term, there's not really much of a point in arguing. That being said, I'm gonna keep my hold recommendation on PAJKA, with a possible buy if you need something to hedge against difficulty with or you anticipate the upgrade to happen soon.
Honestly, for all anyone reading this thread knows, SOSLOVE, furuknap, and myself could have all been colluding to attack the PAJKA market and buy back in like I mentioned above. Caveat emptor, kids. But yeah, as its been emphasized all to many times on here, work the numbers for yourself based on your portfolio goals. If we have different goals for our portfolios in the long-term, there's not really much of a point in arguing. That being said, I'm gonna keep my hold recommendation on PAJKA, with a possible buy if you need something to hedge against difficulty with or you anticipate the upgrade to happen soon.
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I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
Isn't ASIC.COOP the cheapest in terms of MH/s/BTC?
PAJKA.BOND is offering 170.45 MH/s/BTC (0.087999 per share and 15MH/s per share)
ASIC.COOP is offering 720 MH/s/BTC (0.5 per share and 360MH/s per share)
It's over 4 times more efficient.
They'll start hashing when they receive their BFL BitForce SC ships - i.e. the same boat as PAJKA.BOND in terms of dependence on BFL.
BFL seems to be shipping, crossing fingers, we may get the 15 MH upgrade after all..
Now that SOSLover has promised to not crap anymore on this thread, I'm certain we can get back to more cool-headed debate. I'm sure we can trust him in that he won't be back now that he's realized the losses from his panic.
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
For your information, All my prediction has become true..the last 24 hours trading volume for PAJKA bond is only 0.6 BTC...I was told you before once TAT.V hit the market, this will cause less new investors for PAJKA BOND.To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
And another bad news for you , I sold out all my PAJKA contracts ,and buying AM... I have nearly recovery all loss from PAJKA BOND..
I bought AM at 2.35 when BTC price was drop last week...people panic selling their AM shares . and today's AM price is near 2.6 BTC.
You really should stop posting like a salesman.. I Do not think because you owns a cheap copy website ,then reflect that you are a professional investor. you are a ugly salesman who want to sale its defect products to innocent people...sorry not me !!!but I just sick of you ,this why I will continues posting here, as long as no innocent people will be hurt by your false language.
Now that SOSLover has promised to not crap anymore on this thread, I'm certain we can get back to more cool-headed debate. I'm sure we can trust him in that he won't be back now that he's realized the losses from his panic.
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
I am not claiming that PMS is a SCAM!!! I am claiming that all PMBs is not a wise investment !!!!
Furuknap..I feel you are like a salesman for PAJKA BOND...You only describe how good is PMB ,but never ever gives any evidence to support your argument. and further more, you are continues mentioned me, what you really want?
Please do not acting like a salesman ,this really makes me sick!!
Now that SOSLover has promised to not crap anymore on this thread, I'm certain we can get back to more cool-headed debate. I'm sure we can trust him in that he won't be back now that he's realized the losses from his panic.
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
I am not claiming that PMS is a SCAM!!! I am claiming that all PMBs is not a wise investment !!!!
Furuknap..I feel you are like a salesman for PAJKA BOND...You only describe how good is PMB ,but never ever gives any evidence to support your argument. and further more, you are continues mentioned me, what you really want?
Now that SOSLover has promised to not crap anymore on this thread, I'm certain we can get back to more cool-headed debate. I'm sure we can trust him in that he won't be back now that he's realized the losses from his panic.
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
To anyone who may have read SOSLover's claims about PMBs like PAJKA being scams, I've written an article to elaborate more on the topic:
http://coin.furuknap.net/are-perpetual-mining-bonds-scams-not-really/
The conclusion is simple; No, PMBs are not scams. They fall in value during rapid difficulty rises, but so does any mining and I'm fairly certain you won't hear any rational mind claim that mining is a scam for that reason.
I'm also contemplating writing an article or maybe an app that will show the numbers on PMBs currently for sale. At the moment, with the exception of 100th, PAJKA upgraded is the best performing PMB on the market, beating TAT.VM by almost 30%. Because that upgrade is free, the question becomes whether the performance of currently higher-performing PMBs is enough to cover the difference until PAJKA upgrades.
In my opinion, BFL is now ever closer to full shipping. They have just started shipping the Singles and have, reportedly, shipped all Jalapenos ordered before August 22, 2012, which is likely a large portion of the pre-boom Jala orders (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html).
In short, I see PAJKA as one of the most promising PMBs right now.
.b
Are there any plans to increase hashing power past 15MH/s per bond after BFL delivers (if they do)?
No, no upgrade past 15mhash/s per bond is planned in the near future.
If there is good oportunity for powerful and economic mining equipment later, it could happen but don't count on it when buying into PAJKA.BOND.
I had seen that. However he got another proposal for some jalapenos, with order nr around 18k.
Those will ship most likely in about 2 weeks ... But if he ordered a minirig, it may take way longer...
BTW, I'm not worrying. The sell panic has got me some good deals.
Those will ship most likely in about 2 weeks ... But if he ordered a minirig, it may take way longer...
BTW, I'm not worrying. The sell panic has got me some good deals.
I gave this information when someone asked about how many bonds I plan to sell.
It is order of Singles amounting 300ghash/s.
And the order number is #100021710
The proposal of jalapenos is still in the air ... but we are waiting until they ship and then we'll see if we can find a deal which would be interesting for both parties.
How about if bfl is not deliver nor refund the BTC back to you ? what will you do then?
Great question, it doesn't look like BFL will deliver so I guess you would buy out the fund.
In case BFL goes bankrupt ... I might consider buying the bonds back ... but the question is at what price ...
What price do you see fair? 0.1 BTC minus all paid dividends? No, that's too much ... but how much ... that's a question.
Some people bought into 0.3mhash/s bonds, some bought into 1.5mhash/s bonds all with the risk that they might never reach even 3mhash/s ...
When PAJKA.BOND was selling as 1.5mhash/s bond per 0.1BTC it was cheaper than other mining bonds and now after upgrade it gave already nice dividends.
Now the difficulty went a bit higher and new mining bonds/companies backed by ASIC showed up at lower prices.
If you buy now you take a risk that BFL will bankrupt but you know the price (it may be higher when BFL delivers) and get the dividends from 3mhash/s until they deliver.
The choice is yours.
I'm confused, your contract states exactly how much you would pay to buy the bonds back, and why does BFL have anything to do with your bond? You offered a 1.5 MH bond (now 3 MH.) your contract on BTCTC states that you can buy out the bonds at 110% of the average 15 day price.
are these wrong?
I was just trying to say that in the case that BFL goes bankrupt and the price of PAJKA.BOND drops as a consequence I might consider buying them back at a price higher than stated in the contract. It is just hard to say how much. Anyway as I stated I believe that we won't have to go into this as BFL will deliver.
lol you really do need to lurk more, SOS.
Anyone know the ETA on the ASIC upgrade or other details like when it was ordered?
BFL ships in two weeks. The rest you can find by reading this thread, which is the absolute least you should do before investing anything :-)
.b
Evidence to support that BFL will ships in two weeks???
Anyone know the ETA on the ASIC upgrade or other details like when it was ordered?
BFL ships in two weeks. The rest you can find by reading this thread, which is the absolute least you should do before investing anything :-)
.b
Anyone know the ETA on the ASIC upgrade or other details like when it was ordered?
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