Topic: PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 15Mhash mining bond - page 7. (Read 24989 times)

if I used 15% look...the issuer fuck you up mate...

MINING FORECAST
Your hashrate  MH/s
Withdrawl rate /period
Difficulty rate /period
Predict exchange rate
 

 
SHORT TERM

Next difficulty 18423171 on Jun 16 (8.10 days)
Growth in difficulty 15.00% per period
Returns:
Daily    4.7 BTC
Jun 16   37.7 BTC [1]
LONG TERM

348.0 BTC at infinity [2]

Predicted returns:
Date   Saved   Withdrawn       Predicted exchange [3]
06/16/13    37.70 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
06/26/13    78.17 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
07/06/13    113.36 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
07/16/13    143.97 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
07/26/13    170.58 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
08/05/13    193.71 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
08/15/13    213.84 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
08/25/13    231.33 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
09/04/13    246.55 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
09/14/13    259.78 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
09/24/13    271.28 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
10/04/13    281.28 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
10/14/13    289.98 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
10/24/13    297.55 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
11/03/13    304.12 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
ASSUMPTIONS

4.7 BTC/day until the difficulty changes
The difficulty grows at a constant 15.0% per period, forever.
Price and hashrate (that is, in some respects, difficulty) are correlated and will remain so. Further, the price right now is true and correct.
Note that none of the above should be taken as advice and data may be up to 10 minutes delayed.
Please send a small donation to 1QTB9LEwzPiJaosqF7z1cE5eQggsXnAwH

The total 481 BTC coin only can generate 371 at infinite time....you never ever will break even your poor investment ...

Can we stop argue about this point less things???
if you continues ignore that AVALON chips, avalon miner rigs, knc , btc garden, amc ,asicminer will all together push the difficulty to sky high....

I do not want to bother you as I said , but I made my decision is based on math evidence...I am confident difficulty will increase 15% each 12 days by refer to past trends....So the choice is mine...you can't convince me ,as long as I have sold out all my fund...I can get better use it in other place.

Yeah and like I said before, the numbers are as ridiculous as yours. You have no idea what the difficulty will be, nor how the block change will affect mining revenue. In fact, you're investing in AM that has the exact same issue and trust friedcat that the transaction fees must be above 15 BTC by next halving. Why do you discount that argument when it works in your disfavor?

Your arguments, again, make no sense. You use them solely to defend your stupidity and flip them on and off depending on whether it serves whatever reality you need to make up.


And we're down to attacking ethnicity.

I'm Norwegian, you idiot. Do your research before you start making attacks like that and feel free, at any time, to start actually responding to arguments rather than just repeating your own failed ones.

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Like I said before the calculator you used does not account that block will change each four years time and does not include difficulty adjustment..and not accurate..... I give you a website ....I just did my calculation , if BFL never delivery...3 X 4184(HASHRATE) will generate total=100 BTC and stop forever...if upgrade today (which is not possibly), you will get 3X4184X15=62760  (hashrate) 437.1 in total..even it upgrade today it still makes the issuer better than you.the website is below...no more reply no more argue , We should do something useful....

http://bitcoinstuff.appspot.com/?mhps=62760&wd_rate=0&difficulty_rate=1.100

And last thing, people always believe what they want to believe...it is point less to make you think I am wrong or right...As I said time will tells everything...One day you will remember some guys tells you that this is a trap but you did not listen to him and try to argue with him...Then you might understand how stupid you are , you may regret at that time..

Now , I understand why people say that most american can't do a good math...


I made a mistake here, if upgrade today... you will get most of you fund back by next year...  this what I do not believe with...
Difficulty 15605633PD ratio 0.7Hash rate 143.8 TH/sPH ratio 0.8MT gox $108.55
MINING FORECAST
Your hashrate  MH/s
Withdrawl rate /period
Difficulty rate /period
Predict exchange rate
 

 
SHORT TERM

Next difficulty 18423171 on Jun 16 (8.10 days)
Growth in difficulty 10.00% per period
Returns:
Daily    4.7 BTC
Jun 16   37.7 BTC [1]
LONG TERM

503.1 BTC at infinity [2]

Predicted returns:
Date   Saved   Withdrawn       Predicted exchange [3]
06/16/13    37.70 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
06/26/13    80.01 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
07/06/13    118.48 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
07/16/13    153.44 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
07/26/13    185.23 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
08/05/13    214.13 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
08/15/13    240.40 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
08/25/13    264.28 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
09/04/13    285.99 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
09/14/13    305.73 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
09/24/13    323.68 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
10/04/13    339.99 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
10/14/13    354.82 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
10/24/13    368.30 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
11/03/13    380.55 BTC    0.00 BTC    0.00 USD    108.55 USD/BTC
ASSUMPTIONS

4.7 BTC/day until the difficulty changes
The difficulty grows at a constant 10.0% per period, forever.
Price and hashrate (that is, in some respects, difficulty) are correlated and will remain so. Further, the price right now is true and correct.
Note that none of the above should be taken as advice and data may be up to 10 minutes delayed.
Please send a small donation to 1QTB9LEwzPiJaosqF7z1cE5eQggsXnAwH

it should be like above ...if you understand the difference between upgrade today and upgrade in future two moths late , this calculator is not perfect as which I used in Chinese...but it can provides you a simple understanding that you investment ,isn't look like what you think...and 110% increase is really conservative estimation , if you look back to the past trends.

Here's another childlike behavior:

"Go to your room for being a bad boy"

"NEHEE, you go to your room!"

"Look, you're being a bit silly about this"

"Nehee, you're being silly"

I haven't shown you any math and you claim that math you haven't seen is wrong. I told you that PAJKA has 15x more hashrate than TAT.VM and since both bonds are completely equal in future prospects, if TAT.VM trades at X then PAJKA should trade at 15X. Accidentally I misplaced the decimal point, though, but the point remains.

You sold at 60% of fair market value and now you're desperate to defend your actions. Even though you have no interest in PAJKA anymore, you still keep crapping all over this thread. Even though you've been proven wrong in every single statement you've made, you keep repeating the same claims rather than actually responding to the counter-arguments. Now you've resorted to parroting claims against you, further cementing your behavior as a small child.

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Well, if the comparable value in PAJKA is 1.05 and you sold at 0.6 because you thought the world was going to end, that proves your math is really off.

Here's an example of similar nonsense. Let's put some numbers into a BTC calculator and see what comes up:



As you can see, ROI is just north of 50%, not 7% like you claim with a repayment of the principal in 218 days. Now prove to me that 50% ROI is not a great investment.

This is the same math that you're doing, but like I've explained to you, it is meaningless unless you know how to apply that math, something you obviously don't.

You've demonstrated how you do your math, in which you beat NASDAQ composite but are left unsatisfied. I have no idea where you studied your finance, but like I eluded, please ask for a refund of any tuition you paid because you've clearly been cheated. Beating NASDAQ consistently over 10 years is an investors dream come true, and that's your worst case scenario.

Still, your assumptions are wrong, your application of the results are wrong, and your understanding of what you're doing is non-existant.

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Again you ignore the factor that PAJKA's contract is more expensive than TAT.V ,ignorance of that price factor...I understand why you are so stupid 
and you math is really hopeless ...I feel why you should be really shame about you math knowledge.... 15X than TAT.V has !!!it already mean how stupid you are !!!!!

if BFL has delivery to this guy...OK it been luck you get upgrade... this will made 0.1 BTC for 15M HASH....  it means 0.001BTC=pay for 0.15/M HASH ok? if you times 7 you get 0.007 for 1.05M HASH, it only makes litter better than TAT.V today!!! and you are waiting for hopeless shipment from BFL...is this true??? 

you still happy about it ?

 

And thus begins the screaming...

"No, SOSLove, you can't have icecream."

As for calculations, you assume your answer. You need to look that up as well so you understand why your arguments make no sense.

Here's one for you. I'll assume that the return is 5000% so now you must prove to me that this isn't a good investment. This is the same fallay you're making, so until you prove me wrong, your argument is equally stupid.

To answer your question, PAJKA is getting 15mhs, which is 15x what TAT.VM has. If TAT.VM trades at 0.7, that means PAJKA should trade at 10.5. Get it now?

TAT.VM is trading better than some older PMBs because it is new and a lot of people want to flip it. PAJKA has always beeen a better investment than TAT; why do you think TAT conspicuously omitted that from his price comparison? It's not like it's easy to miss.

Oh, and before you go on about that "but can you prove that BFL delivers" I'll counter that with "well, can you prove that BFL does not?"

Your arguments is first that everyone is going to deliver, pushing difficulty up, but then BFL is not going to deliver when that delivery counts against your perception of reality. You use the same argument both ways, and you can't do that without looking like a fool.

Please understand that your train of arguments make no sense, are based on numerous fallacies that are easily refuted, and that is one reason why you're being attacked. You demonstrate your inability as an investor by becoming aggitated (look that up, it's not a real word but has real meaning) and emotional when you don't get what you want.

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EDIT: Misplaced decimal point. was "PAJKA should trade at 1.05" but correct is "PAJKA should trade at 10.5"

I fell sad for those fools to purchased an bonds half year return only at 7%.....may be less...You never ever do any math to convince me, but continued with you persona attack...I can see you education background may not got you enough talent to do a estimation on dividend... you call that market selling at 0.7299 a per 1 share a bounce ? don't forget I selling my shares made a 6.7 net loss.. this mean (50-6.7)/450=0.0962
I still selling my contracts far above current market price !!! wait if TAT goes issuing his TAT.V ,what happen to PAJKA ???FORCED TO adjust its price to 0.021..... or slightly more....this already happen in BITFUNDER...when TAT.V issued that RTM drop to 0.28...before was 0.41 ..and PAMB to 1.1 before was 1.3 and their price are still decreasing...I am use date to convince you,but you only use you stupid terms, continued says what I did not the truth...I know better than you ...I double my asset in last month ?what did you do ? so far I only made loss on PAJKA ....
Can you please go back study on game theory and dividend growth model...do not stay here and continues saying your point less argument..The truth here is you never ever provides any calculation and evidence to support your argument, only continues describe what PMB it is ? for investor like me, we do not care about PMB, what we care is the future dividend ... do you understand?? I know you are lack of knowledge to search for evidence to prove your argument . this why you only take advantages on my language ...but it still can not mean you are right...

PEOPLE SPEAK GOOD ENGLISH DOES NOT EQUAL TO HAVE GOOD KNOWLEDGE TO DO A INVESTMENT .

Now you're committing a basic strawman fallacy. Twice.

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You don't care what the answer is. That is your problem. You care only for what you've decided is reality. When someone points out that your perception of reality is utterly flawed, you throw a fit, just like any stubborn kid.

"I want icecream!"

"You can't have icecream"

"But I WANT icecream"

"Well, you can't have it"

"BUT I WANT WANT WANT WANT ICECREAM"

"You're not getting icecream"

"GIVE ME ICECREAM!"

"No"

"I WANT ICECREAM or I SCREAM!"

BTW, looks like the market has already passed judgement on your strategy, sending the bonds up around 20% from your low sell. Still convinced you're right, when every single statement you've made has been disproven and even the challenges you've made on those assumptions are shown wrong?

.b

You call 10% increase of difficulty is a fallacy? How ridiculous you are !!!!I can't understand what you makes you think that difficulty will increase below 10% each 12 days???
I know you can alive 1000years ...ten years to return just a short period, sorry I am a only normal human...not a monster like you who can survive over 1000 years....

I did that Calculation for you in half year time you get 7% return..and this already overstate dividend for you!!!!
you are really stupid enough , did not you see that PAJKA already decrease its dividend look below.
2013-06-07 21:05   ฿ 0.46541752   4814   0.00009668   COMPLETE
2013-06-06 21:06   ฿ 0.5232818   4814   0.00010870   COMPLETE
2013-06-05 21:06   ฿ 0.59760996   4814   0.00012414   COMPLETE
Please stop ignoring the truth here !!!!

Provides me with you calculation, use date to convince me !!!stop saying about what PMB it is ...I do not care...

You are committing a basic fallacy in assuming the answer. Your lack of understanding is staggering.

Did you pay for that education or was it a pity scolarship?

.b

YOU CALL 10% increase of difficulty each 12 years is lie ???what you logical stand from?
You never use any date to convince me ,but continue says I miss understanding about how PMB working.
I do not care how PMB working...I only care about how much I can get in the future !!!if you can prove it ..shows me your calculation !!!

I studied master and degree in finance ..i know things better than you ...You only continued says I do not know about PMB...can you tell me 10 years for return is a good opportunity ? I know because you are old enough , YOU could alive over 1000 years ..10 years for you are meaning less, but not for me !!! YOU FUCKING IDIOT....You mother will shame on you .if you I am wrong.provides me your calculation !!!!! stop saying what PMB is again, the way you understanding about PMB not equal to potential return!!!!!

You have made nothing but mistakes so far in everything you've said, including your calculations about your 10 year return, which is utter nonsense. That proves you are notoriously unreliable.

Your predictions about what the return on this asset (or as you claim, every asset in Bitcoin world, except ASICMiner) will be is somehow accurate?



I'll stop attacking your ignorance when you stop blatantly lying and repeating the same idiotic statements.

.b

Then go away and stop crapping on everyone elses work. You've already demonstrated that you're a fool; your advice is about as reasonable as shooting yourself in the head.

Here's another hint for you; Compared to TAT.VM, a reasonable price on PAJKA, based on fundamentals, has actually _gone up_. In other words, not only did you not understand anything about the asset market, but you lack the skills to do basic multiplication.

Kid, get lost. You're a nuisance.

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I do not care about how much PAJKA had paid last year...I just care how much well they paid in the future ?why you fucking idiot always get personal attack here? are you out of you mind ? stupid old man...if you think the money you invest today will pays you back in 10 years later is a good investment ,then just do what you like...may be you can alive for more then 100 years ..time does not a problem to you , if you think I am wrong , calculating you estimation ,shows me you formula like what I did...STOP persona ATTACK...you fucking stupid old man!!!!!

You're an utter fool.

PAJKA has been operating for a year. Since then, the bond has paid out in dividends far more than the principle. How do you recon paying out more than 100% interest per year is a 'safe line'?

According to your logic of issuers of PMBs being scammers because they know the difficulty would go up enough to never have to repay their principal, the issuer must have known more than a year ago, before BFL even started accepting orders, that somewhere around now, ASICs would finally start shipping. They would at the same time be willing to pay more than what they got in return to, I don't know, spite you?

I guess it follows the same logic the rest of your reasoning does, the reasoning that leads you to believe that technology from the year 2022 is already here.

The same logic that leads you to believe that atoms can be split and still remain the same atoms.

It's the same logic that got you to completely and fundamentally misunderstand what you had bought, thinking that you could beg yourself to more money.

The same logic that brought you so much shame you resort to lying to try to save face.

If there is a scammer, liar, beggar, and idiot here, it is you.

.b

You've started making some pretty serious accusations against a large number of people. You're high on your horse whenever someone points out your blatant lies and utter ignorance, but you're quick to throw out vague accusations that the PAJKA issuer must be a fraud and thief because you fucked up in your research.

The order number is known for the PAJKA order. Verification is simple. So is seeing through your lies, FUD, and lack of knowledge.

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