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Phinnaeus Gage

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Just would like to say that Pattaya is not the best place in Thailand for a visit (maybe one of the worst because of the western influence/pollution) but many claims made in this thread are absurd. Also many of the claims are just as valid in most western parts of the world. Keep in mind the problems in Pattaya are only there because of the actions of westerners and do not reflect Thai people or culture.

If the community wanted to set up an event in Thailand the best place to reach Thais would be BKK. Phuket and Samui have the same issues that you do not like in Pattaya but less due to less westerners. If you would like a real Thai Island I would try Koh Chang.

Appreciate the advice. The problem wasn't that we think Pattaya has nothing but child sex trafficking, it's that Bruce Wagner was linked to Pattaya in his past for having had sex with boys there, and we believe his persistence in going to Pattaya specifically had less to do with Bitcoin, and more to do with Boy-coining.

Hindsight dictates that we should have given Bruce a little more credit when he implemented this idea. He's the only man that could have pulled this off in Pattaya with a three-prong approach: Business; Pleasure; and Profit. Within the golden-triangle, it's simply referred to as BPP.

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Quote from: wolftaur on August 28, 2011, 01:54:50 AM

I just have to say ...

I'm as gay as they come and I think this is a terrible choice for a Bitcoin conference.

Call me naïve, or just plain slow, for it was exactly two days ago I thought to myself if there's a direct correlation between a member on this board named Buttcoin and the why he chose that moniker. Reason being, I seem to always wear one of those eye thingies racehorses wear to keep them looking straight ahead. Sexual orientation of a member is the last thing on my mind, although, some may argue, sex is the first thing on my mind. I used to, and sometimes still do, fantasize about going to a foreign land and fucking the shit out of some young girl (remember, this is just a sexual fantasy, and pretty sure I wouldn't do it). That said, I strongly feel that Pattaya and Bitcoin is like Exxon oil and the Yellowstone River: Two great things, but don't mix them together, for if you do, the media will have a heyday with the slightest drop of trouble.

Thank you kindly, wolfaur, for your comment.

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I chose the name buttcoin because bitcoin kinda sounds like buttcoin and it's funny

Thank you kindly, buttcoin, for making that clear to me. Hope you didn't take it the wrong way.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 28, 2011, 06:23:53 AM

Quote from: wolftaur on August 28, 2011, 01:54:50 AM

I just have to say ...

I'm as gay as they come and I think this is a terrible choice for a Bitcoin conference.

Call me naïve, or just plain slow, for it was exactly two days ago I thought to myself if there's a direct correlation between a member on this board named Buttcoin and the why he chose that moniker. Reason being, I seem to always wear one of those eye thingies racehorses wear to keep them looking straight ahead. Sexual orientation of a member is the last thing on my mind, although, some may argue, sex is the first thing on my mind. I used to, and sometimes still do, fantasize about going to a foreign land and fucking the shit out of some young girl (remember, this is just a sexual fantasy, and pretty sure I wouldn't do it). That said, I strongly feel that Pattaya and Bitcoin is like Exxon oil and the Yellowstone River: Two great things, but don't mix them together, for if you do, the media will have a heyday with the slightest drop of trouble.

Thank you kindly, wolfaur, for your comment.

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I chose the name buttcoin because bitcoin kinda sounds like buttcoin and it's funny

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I never hashed for this...

Quote from: Colargol on August 30, 2011, 12:32:41 PM

Bruce started his own thread, it's just as bad

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Ok everybody break it up.

Pattaya is obviously a bad idea and no one wants it let's just stick to that and move on to productive new measures and everyone stop bashing each other. Yeah there's some ugly stuff found and this thread has turned even uglier.

Lifestyles and bitcoin should be kept separate.
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Lifestyles and bitcoin should be kept separate.

Let's close this bitch fest down and focus on cleaning up and
moving on.

- Blackout

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Quote from: Piper67 on August 30, 2011, 12:04:38 PM

I disliked his statement profoundly, so your original theory doesn't hold.

If my "theory" gets Matthew to take a breather before his next well-deserved verbal beating, then it achieved its purpose.

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Well of course the standard is reasonable person. Obviously kicking and screaming and shouts of no would tell anyone the other person doesn't consent. Still , it's whether the attacker believes (or should have) there was a rape. Believe me I was shocked when I first found this out.

If it was about based on the mind of the victim the rape trial would last 5 seconds and would be one question.
District Attorney: Is this the person that raped you?
Victim:Yes.
What is the defense going to do? Drill here on if she is really really really sure she was raped?

I people want to put BTC where there mouth is and I'll get a Judge's Bench book and show y'all jury instructions for a rape trial.

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I am really glad you aren't an attorney. That is completely laughable.

In fact, your entire post is ridiculous. It doesn't matter what the attacker thinks, if there is no consent or the person is unable to give their consent, then it's rape, period.

prove it's amateur hour. Reality doesn't fit into pre-canned responses.

There is a lot of mixing of apples and oranges. There is a distinction between determining whether a rape occurred and concluding a rape occurred and attempting to justify the act ex post facto.

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Quote from: d'aniel on August 30, 2011, 11:48:45 AM

Matthew, please would you finally just take the advice I gave you earlier and stop talking for a while?
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He won't. He cannot. That's part of his pathology. He'll stop when some brain chemical balances shift around and not before.

(That's my read on things at least and I have some sympathy for the guy...I just hope I don't find out in a few weeks that he seems to do extra-ordinarily unseemly things to other people.)

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Quote from: d'aniel on August 30, 2011, 11:58:33 AM

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Actually, d'aniel, some of us neither know Matthew nor care, but were genuinely offended by even the remotest intimation that a woman (or man, or boy, or girl) could be held partly responsible for their own rape.

It truly is an argument that was settled well over 20 years ago. Matthew should have known better than to say that.

"a tomato is a vegetable" is a mistake... "a woman should know better than to dress slutty lest she get raped" is a black hole of assholeness.

You were "genuinely offended" that some obvious dumbass who you admittedly don't care about said something dumb on the Internet. Right...

Yup, some dumb ass says "a tomato is a vegetable", I'm not offended... same dumbass says "slutty women deserve to get raped", "Hitler had the right idea", "blacks are inferior" and a few other choice, idiotic remarks, then I am offended. I don't lose any sleep over it, nor do I choose to pick a fight. But if such stupidity were to be uttered in my presence, I'd feel compelled to speak up against it. As I think I am doing now.

Do you think how a woman dresses, or how much she's had to drink, or how she dances, makes her in any way responsible for her being raped? If you don't, it speaks highly of you. If you don't, but choose to not speak up when some other twit says so, it makes you a bit of an ass.

My point was that, contrary to your argument, not everyone who objected to Matthew's remarks did so out of a desire to destroy Matthew. I neither know him nor particularly care what happens with him one way or another. I disliked his statement profoundly, so your original theory doesn't hold.

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Quote from: Piper67 on August 30, 2011, 11:53:40 AM

Actually, d'aniel, some of us neither know Matthew nor care, but were genuinely offended by even the remotest intimation that a woman (or man, or boy, or girl) could be held partly responsible for their own rape.

It truly is an argument that was settled well over 20 years ago. Matthew should have known better than to say that.

"a tomato is a vegetable" is a mistake... "a woman should know better than to dress slutty lest she get raped" is a black hole of assholeness.

You were "genuinely offended" that some obvious dumbass who you admittedly don't care about said something dumb on the Internet. Right...

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Quote from: d'aniel on August 30, 2011, 11:48:45 AM

Matthew, please would you finally just take the advice I gave you earlier and stop talking for a while?

Here's another lesson for you: Although you did the right thing by emphasizing that you're socially retarded but working on it, you went wrong by apologizing! Apologies are like blood to these sharks! It's not like they're going to forgive you and start to like you if you apologize. You just make yourself look more weak and pathetic, and resign yourself to waiting until they stop out of pity for you. But only a few will stop at any given time. And don't you see that they happily come back to feed after you when you inevitably say the next stupid thing to the ones who haven't stopped?

And don't mistake your attackers for being sincere. They're primarily concerned with fucking with you. The cause of women being able to dress slutty more safely, while extremely noble, is a very distant second priority for these people. Leave the issue alone, it's ancillary. You had successfully dealt with it by claiming stupidity, you just didn't let the dust settle afterward.

Weren't you a schoolteacher? Why don't you know how this works yet?

Actually, d'aniel, some of us neither know Matthew nor care, but were genuinely offended by even the remotest intimation that a woman (or man, or boy, or girl) could be held partly responsible for their own rape.

It truly is an argument that was settled well over 20 years ago. Matthew should have known better than to say that.

"a tomato is a vegetable" is a mistake... "a woman should know better than to dress slutty lest she get raped" is a black hole of assholeness.

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Matthew, please would you finally just take the advice I gave you earlier and stop talking for a while?

Here's another lesson for you: Although you did the right thing by emphasizing that you're socially retarded but working on it, you went wrong by apologizing! Apologies are like blood to these sharks! It's not like they're going to forgive you and start to like you if you apologize. You just make yourself look more weak and pathetic, and resign yourself to waiting until they stop out of pity for you. But only a few will stop at any given time. And don't you see that they happily come back to feed after you when you inevitably say the next stupid thing to the ones who haven't stopped?

And don't mistake your attackers for being sincere. They're primarily concerned with fucking with you. The cause of women being able to dress slutty more safely, while extremely noble, is a very distant second priority for these people. Leave the issue alone, it's ancillary. You had successfully dealt with it by claiming stupidity, you just didn't let the dust settle afterward.

Weren't you a schoolteacher? Why don't you know how this works yet?

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This isn't about assigning fault to the victim. This is about determining whether there is a victim at all. Like I said before , the law is that rape or consent is in the mind of the alleged attacker. It's applies to any crime, it's called mens rea. If he/she believes there was consent , it doesn't matter what the other person thinks.

The fact is that dressing provocatively is consent in the mind of some people. Right or wrong some sociopaths think that way.
There is no "She was asking to be raped" defense. In fact, I have seen anyone forward that notion. What I've seen people saying that others will get the false impression of consent. Even if there is a false impression of consent there is no rape.
It really is amateur hour in this place.

I am really glad you aren't an attorney. That is completely laughable.

In fact, your entire post is ridiculous. It doesn't matter what the attacker thinks, if there is no consent or the person is unable to give their consent, then it's rape, period.

Actually that's not 100% true, as the key factor in mens rea in such cases is what a reasonable person would think. Fact is that reasonable people don't mean slutty clothing is consent and the kicking and screaming is just her playing hard to get.

But seriously, whether the rapist thinks it's consent or not is irrelevant, and mens rea doesn't necessarily apply. To argue otherwise is a juvenile and idiotic approach to criminal justice - it's basically saying that anyone who doesn't know it's not right to steal is free to go ahead and rob others blind.

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I knew you would, thanks for not letting me down.

Listen, all kidding aside (I'm assuming you're kidding or else you're insane Undecided

) anyone can tell you that although I spoke insensitively on the subject, all I did was post what I thought other peopke's opinions were, then talked briefly about how I think girls should have common sense to not ask for trouble. Since I will be practicing what I preach, I'm gonna stop asking for trouble too. Ta-ta.

Good to know clothing choices are now 'asking for trouble'

edit: If you really feel the need to post your misogynistic, racist, ignorant, or any other type of opinion that others may look down on you for online, at least have the good sense to not use your real name Matthew. Damn

No no, you're right. Dress as you wish!

This doesn't even make any fucking sense. Just because a person dresses like a Klansman doesn't mean they should be murdered or raped. Same applies to women who dress "slutty" -it doesn't give anyone carte blanche to do with her body as they wish.

Uhh.. Try reading the comment I responded to and it'll make sens.

You are still trying to say that if a woman dresses a particular way ("slutty"), then she's asking for trouble. It's up to society to have the self-control they need to be able to control themselves from either killing the Klansman or raping the "slut". There is no excuse for taking either action.

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I never hashed for this...

You have no problem scamming foreigners (whom you talk about as if they were backwards and inferior) and you allow and encourage the thought your sister has that her rape was her fault.

Guess what bro? You are a sociopath

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Quote from: indio007 on August 30, 2011, 11:36:32 AM

This isn't about assigning fault to the victim. This is about determining whether there is a victim at all. Like I said before , the law is that rape or consent is in the mind of the alleged attacker. It's applies to any crime, it's called mens rea. If he/she believes there was consent , it doesn't matter what the other person thinks.

The fact is that dressing provocatively is consent in the mind of some people. Right or wrong some sociopaths think that way.
There is no "She was asking to be raped" defense. In fact, I have seen anyone forward that notion. What I've seen people saying that others will get the false impression of consent. Even if there is a false impression of consent there is no rape.
It really is amateur hour in this place.

I am really glad you aren't an attorney. That is completely laughable.

In fact, your entire post is ridiculous. It doesn't matter what the attacker thinks, if there is no consent or the person is unable to give their consent, then it's rape, period.

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My sister believes this because she got wild drunk with total strangers and woke up in a house she'd never been to before. Scary as all hell as that must be, she blames two people-- the person who took advantage of her (possibly drunk or high off their gord) and herself for not being safe.

If your sister was blind drunk, got raped, and now blames herself (even partly), this is the part where any half-decent human being jumps in and tells her not to blame herself.

I'm not a psychologist, nor have I ever been raped, but I gather that self-loathing is typically part of the grieving process after a rape... it's something to be worked through, not something to be settled on with your family saying something along the lines of "well I guess you won't be that stupid again, will you?"

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This isn't about assigning fault to the victim. This is about determining whether there is a victim at all. Like I said before , the law is that rape or consent is in the mind of the alleged attacker. It's applies to any crime, it's called mens rea. If he/she believes there was consent , it doesn't matter what the other person thinks.

The fact is that dressing provocatively is consent in the mind of some people. Right or wrong some sociopaths think that way.
There is no "She was asking to be raped" defense. In fact, I have seen anyone forward that notion. What I've seen people saying that others will get the false impression of consent. Even if there is a false impression of consent there is no rape.
It really is amateur hour in this place.

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"Slutty women deserve to get raped" isn't like a stray fart at a cocktail party. It's not really something you say by accident.

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But I'm sure Mr. Matthew N. Wright will have some treatise to post in response, denying he ever said such a thing and clearly the problem is in the small minds of the readership who can't understand and process his excellence.

P.S. My mom, previously raped sister and ex girlfriend all think girls are mostly at fault. I think it can't be after doing some thinking. You really have no arguments against me now. Everything from this point is 'am not' 'are too' bullshit.

I, Matthew N. Wright abhor rape and rapists and believe that anyone who thinks its excusable is in need of some serious education on the issue.

you mad?

Now your family and friends want to assign fault to the victim.........? Jesus

There is no debate about this. The victim is not at fault for being a victim of rape, period.

My sister believes this because she got wild drunk with total strangers and woke up in a house she'd never been to before. Scary as all hell as that must be, she blames two people-- the person who took advantage of her (possibly drunk or high off their gord) and herself for n

I use to have some type of respect for you. Now you are just hurting our community. If it's true and your family did go through this pain, then it's a shame that you would divulge all their personal information in such a public manner, especially since you yourself are a public person.

I really don't think people really understand how many people come to this forum, this is not a regular web forum with 4-5 of your friends. This is an investors forum that gets millions of hits, and where eyes from all over the world come to read about their investments. Then they run into all the garbage on this forum, and people wonder why prices are down?

You know who the people that are trolling you are. Why in god's name would you give them even more ammo?

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