I hate to break the bad news to everyone but "legally" rape is in the mind of the assailant. It don't make a wits difference what the "victim" thinks.
In regards to the rest , all I see is a bunch of usurpers trying to take over the top of the shitpile.
Bruce ain't shit to bitcoin. His status has nothing to do with bitcoin's viability.
There has been 5 Bruce threads in 7 days. The guy barely ever posts here.
That makes no sense.
Methinks someone has a personal vendetta (unrequited love maybe?) and is determined to fuck with the guy.
No one cares about y'all or him. Stop stinkin' up the joint.
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I really do feel though that the way a person behaves, their habits, etc have almost everything to do with their poor fortune.
I am talking about cases back where I come from in California, where girls go out and get drunk and high with absolute strangers and then are 'confused' as to how such a travesty could unfold.
Really, they are the ones that needtheir heads examined.
I am talking about cases back where I come from in California, where girls go out and get drunk and high with absolute strangers and then are 'confused' as to how such a travesty could unfold.
Really, they are the ones that needtheir heads examined.
Oh my god? Could you stop typing before you hurt yourself more?
Being raped is "poor fortune" on the victim's side? It is a girl's travesty if she gets drunk with a stranger and not that stranger's if he rapes her? REALLY? The girl needs her head examined and not the rapist? Are you for real?
Seriously. You should see a doctor.
Honestly, Bitcoin is going to die unless someone who isn't a disgusting piece of shit, whiny libertarian baby, or racist who scams foreigners takes the reigns and becomes a forefront member of the community soon.
As for thinking girls who prance around as sluts getting raped deserve it, deserve is a strong word, but pretty much all guys think that don't they?
No. There is something deeply wrong with people who think that.
I'm editing out the context, and I'm just putting in the relevant portions of your post.
You, sir, are nothing but a fucking piece of garbage. You have just proven that you are not worthy of any respect whatsoever. You are simply a piece of dogshit that learned to type. I at one point actually had some level of respect for you even though we disagree on a number of things. That is gone. That is gone forever. I will never give any credence whatsoever to anything that comes out of your mouth. Period.
And to think you are the head of the "United Association of Bitcoin International." I, for one, will not even consider doing business with any Bitcoin business that has even the faintest association with your "association."
Drop dead, asshole.
As for thinking girls who prance around as sluts getting raped deserve it, deserve is a strong word, but pretty much all guys think that don't they?
Like being a white dude strolling through the bronx, being a jew hanging out in front of hitler's house, or selling dvds out of the back of your car in a police station parking lot-- it's common sense.
Why girls are 'surprised' it happens is what makes me stop wanting to care. Actually 'not caring' though is far off. I don't think I could ever stop caring completely.
Like being a white dude strolling through the bronx, being a jew hanging out in front of hitler's house, or selling dvds out of the back of your car in a police station parking lot-- it's common sense.
Why girls are 'surprised' it happens is what makes me stop wanting to care. Actually 'not caring' though is far off. I don't think I could ever stop caring completely.
You, sir, are nothing but a fucking piece of garbage. You have just proven that you are not worthy of any respect whatsoever. You are simply a piece of dogshit that learned to type. I at one point actually had some level of respect for you even though we disagree on a number of things. That is gone. That is gone forever. I will never give any credence whatsoever to anything that comes out of your mouth. Period.
And to think you are the head of the "United Association of Bitcoin International." I, for one, will not even consider doing business with any Bitcoin business that has even the faintest association with your "association."
Drop dead, asshole.
I didn't read the posts other than what was being quoted as 'proof'. I really don't see where 'pedo' and 'rapist' are being 'proven'. As for thinking girls who prance around as sluts getting raped deserve it, deserve is a strong word, but pretty much all guys think that don't they? I tell my girlfriend to dress sexy and she says 'Korean guys don't want their girlfriends to dress sexy because it tempts other guys'. Kind of solid logic if you ask me. Like being a white dude strolling through the bronx, being a jew hanging out in front of hitler's house, or selling dvds out of the back of your car in a police station parking lot-- it's common sense. I don't think rape is right, and I hate rapists. I don't think it's a girl's fault for something soneone else does, but apparently I have way too much common sense to be alive in the politically correct century because I think it's each person's own responsibility to watch themselves, not dress like a whore and hang out on a dangerous street in front of a club at 2am. Why girls are 'surprised' it happens is what makes me stop wanting to care. Actually 'not caring' though is far off. I don't think I could ever stop caring completely. I doubt Bruce could either. Probably just another one of the many thoughts we all have that should just be thought and not spoken, but he as an overly verbose person like myself said it anyway (I tend tobget that way after midnight, that's why I never touch alcohol).
Again, all this aside-- where's the proof he's a pedo?
Again, all this aside-- where's the proof he's a pedo?
what the fuck is wrong with you?
this statement from bruce is no better:
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Dressing as sexually provocative as a streetwalker who’s late on the rent…. and parading around in front of men in public like this… Can be like smoking crack in front of a crackhead. Or at the very least, playing drinking games till everyone is in a drunken stupor… in front of a recovering alcoholic.
Sorry, I don’t drink in front of alcoholics in recovery. I DO claim some responsibility for being a thoughtful compassionate human being. I don’t GET MY JOLLIES TRYING TO TEMPT PEOPLE BEYOND THEIR HUMAN ABILITY TO WITHSTAND THAT TEMPTATION… Only to watch them cave…. And then to declare them weak… And criticize them and blame them and laugh at them…
I think MANY women get their jollies — cheap thrills — playing with the sex drives of healthy adult men. They play with them as if they are teasing the animals at the zoo with hints of food…
And then laughing at them… for the sake of entertainment.
And if they get raped…
They had no responsibility for it whatsoever.
Because politically correct society in 2006 gives them blanket immunity to blame.
Bruce Wagner
http://brucewagner.wordpress.com/2006/12/16/how-to-avoid-becoming-a-rapist/Sorry, I don’t drink in front of alcoholics in recovery. I DO claim some responsibility for being a thoughtful compassionate human being. I don’t GET MY JOLLIES TRYING TO TEMPT PEOPLE BEYOND THEIR HUMAN ABILITY TO WITHSTAND THAT TEMPTATION… Only to watch them cave…. And then to declare them weak… And criticize them and blame them and laugh at them…
I think MANY women get their jollies — cheap thrills — playing with the sex drives of healthy adult men. They play with them as if they are teasing the animals at the zoo with hints of food…
And then laughing at them… for the sake of entertainment.
And if they get raped…
They had no responsibility for it whatsoever.
Because politically correct society in 2006 gives them blanket immunity to blame.
Bruce Wagner
for fucks sake. this is insane, why would anyone defend this asshat?
As for thinking girls who prance around as sluts getting raped deserve it, deserve is a strong word, but pretty much all guys think that don't they?
What the hell?? You should have your head examined. Maybe you and Bruce can sign up for a combo package.
Furthermore, I'd like to quote myself from earlier in this topic:
I would like to hear from Bruce *why* he wants to go to Pattaya so badly. There must be some reason that is not bitcoin related. That wouldn't be such a big deal if he just shared the reason with us. If there was no such reason, then I'm sure he would have said:
"Ok fine, if so many people seem to get upset over Pattaya as a location, then lets pick CityX in Thailand, what do I care."
But he doesn't. Rather than just listing to the arguments he stubbornly defends Pattaya. There's a motive behind that, so come on Bruce, let's hear it. What personal motive do you have for Pattaya as a location?
"Ok fine, if so many people seem to get upset over Pattaya as a location, then lets pick CityX in Thailand, what do I care."
But he doesn't. Rather than just listing to the arguments he stubbornly defends Pattaya. There's a motive behind that, so come on Bruce, let's hear it. What personal motive do you have for Pattaya as a location?
Well, guess we kinda quickly found out the real motives now, didn't we. Hey Defxor, still so ready to defend Pattaya as a great choice for bitcoin?
And then Bruce:
For anyone's information, Thailand is extremely strict about child abuse. Mess around with anyone under 18 and you are SURE to find yourself in a Thai prison for life. In New York City ( the states of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut ), the legal age of consent is 17. In Thailand, the age is 18. And EVERYONE checks... in three ways. So if anyone is thinking about going to Thailand for child-sex.... You'd better think again! It's not going to happen there without severe consequences.
There... is... no child... prostitution... in... PATTAYA! I... am.... not... going there... to.... touch young... boys!
As for thinking girls who prance around as sluts getting raped deserve it, deserve is a strong word, but pretty much all guys think that don't they?
What the fuck is wrong with you? No, no we don't. Jesus Christ.
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I tell my girlfriend to dress sexy and she says 'Korean guys don't want their girlfriends to dress sexy because it tempts other guys'. Kind of solid logic if you ask me.
For all of the things you think Koreans are backwards for, apparently this is the one you agree with.
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Again, all this aside-- where's the proof he's a pedo?
In that post, they're talking about virgin prostitutes. How old do you think a virgin prostitute is in a city that's legendary for underage prostitution? Think about it for 2 seconds.
+1
I was typing out the same type response and got the "warning" "another post was posted to this thread" Well done my thoughts exactly.
As for thinking girls who prance around as sluts getting raped deserve it, deserve is a strong word, but pretty much all guys think that don't they?
What the fuck is wrong with you? No, no we don't. Jesus Christ.
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I tell my girlfriend to dress sexy and she says 'Korean guys don't want their girlfriends to dress sexy because it tempts other guys'. Kind of solid logic if you ask me.
For all of the things you think Koreans are backwards for, apparently this is the one you agree with.
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Again, all this aside-- where's the proof he's a pedo?
In that post, they're talking about virgin prostitutes. How old do you think a virgin prostitute is in a city that's legendary for underage prostitution? Think about it for 2 seconds.
It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of 'internet detectives'. Proof of someone's misdeeds cannot be opinions of other people on a forum somewhere.
It's not someone's opinions. It's Bruce's own words. If you Google the "punlman" username all of that sick, abusive crap was posted with, you get Bruce posts and nothing but Bruce posts from all over the Internet, many of which he signed off on by posting his real name and URL. With his picture as the avatar. And all from several years ago, so unless trolls were able to go back in time to before Bitcoins existed to crucify the Bitcoin Messiah, this looks legit. Shame on Bruce.
I didn't read the posts other than what was being quoted as 'proof'. I really don't see where 'pedo' and 'rapist' are being 'proven'. As for thinking girls who prance around as sluts getting raped deserve it, deserve is a strong word, but pretty much all guys think that don't they? I tell my girlfriend to dress sexy and she says 'Korean guys don't want their girlfriends to dress sexy because it tempts other guys'. Kind of solid logic if you ask me. Like being a white dude strolling through the bronx, being a jew hanging out in front of hitler's house, or selling dvds out of the back of your car in a police station parking lot-- it's common sense. I don't think rape is right, and I hate rapists. I don't think it's a girl's fault for something soneone else does, but apparently I have way too much common sense to be alive in the politically correct century because I think it's each person's own responsibility to watch themselves, not dress like a whore and hang out on a dangerous street in front of a club at 2am. Why girls are 'surprised' it happens is what makes me stop wanting to care. Actually 'not caring' though is far off. I don't think I could ever stop caring completely. I doubt Bruce could either. Probably just another one of the many thoughts we all have that should just be thought and not spoken, but he as an overly verbose person like myself said it anyway (I tend tobget that way after midnight, that's why I never touch alcohol).
Again, all this aside-- where's the proof he's a pedo?
So you basically are arguing that rape is in part the girl's fault? Dressing slutty doesn't cause rape, fyi, but good on you for trying to justify rapist's actions with the whole 'she was dressing that way, she was practically begging for it'
Christ, what a bunch of awful fucking people you guys are.
I didn't read the posts other than what was being quoted as 'proof'. I really don't see where 'pedo' and 'rapist' are being 'proven'.
Don't worry, you don't need [new] glasses. You're not seeing where they're being proven because they're not being proven.
Hey, people who are opposed to Pattaya as a destination for the conference? Try making a legitimate argument like I have done several times, instead of trying to make Bruce look bad with no evidence. You might actually get somewhere other than on a list of the biggest dumbasses on this thread.
It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of 'internet detectives'. Proof of someone's misdeeds cannot be opinions of other people on a forum somewhere.
It's not someone's opinions. It's Bruce's own words. If you Google the "punlman" username all of that sick, abusive crap was posted with, you get Bruce posts and nothing but Bruce posts from all over the Internet, many of which he signed off on by posting his real name and URL. With his picture as the avatar. And all from several years ago, so unless trolls were able to go back in time to before Bitcoins existed to crucify the Bitcoin Messiah, this looks legit. Shame on Bruce.
Daaaaamn...no wonder this thread has 9 pages! I'd been ignoring it as dis-interesting since finding out that 'Pattaya' was a place in Thailand and the OP didn't give me any clues about why it was even on the board.
Yet another in the string of bad news for Bitcoin. Maybe this issue will get that $/BTC ratio down some more and I can my order buy order in.
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I've come to the philosophy that in fact Bitcoin is actually not terribly useful at the present time because indeed the USD still work quite well as money to buy things. That leads me to the thought that the best thing for Bitcoin at this time is to really wring the system out with incident after incident of bad news and misfortune. If it holds up from a system level after these attacks, that will say a lot (to me at least.)
...but maybe I've just got some fox/grapes thing going. Who knows.
Yet another in the string of bad news for Bitcoin. Maybe this issue will get that $/BTC ratio down some more and I can my order buy order in.
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I've come to the philosophy that in fact Bitcoin is actually not terribly useful at the present time because indeed the USD still work quite well as money to buy things. That leads me to the thought that the best thing for Bitcoin at this time is to really wring the system out with incident after incident of bad news and misfortune. If it holds up from a system level after these attacks, that will say a lot (to me at least.)
...but maybe I've just got some fox/grapes thing going. Who knows.
My fault!
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...and the OP didn't give me any clues about why it was even on the board.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention, tvbcof. Your point is valid. I remember when I was penning it that it may not have enough information, but in my mind I took it for granted that everyone would know what it is about. I now see that was not the case, hence you not reading this thread till it reached several pages. I'm sorry for that. Hope you enjoyed the reading of this entire thread.
It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of 'internet detectives'. Proof of someone's misdeeds cannot be opinions of other people on a forum somewhere. 10, 100, 1000-- it doesn't matter how many people feel strongly about something (racism? religion? Peta?), that in itself is never proof of anything.
Where's the proof? All I'm seeing is a few opinions expressed from some blogs and a tremendous amount of fabrications and jumping to conclusions. Bruce REALLY needs to address things before they grow to these proportions, but you sheeple need to stop pretending everything you read on the internet is true. You do realize that the majority of negative opinions are all coming from members of a forum that hates Bitcoin users, right?
Bruce needs to change his act a LOT, but so do I, and so does this forum. Where's the cooperation? Where's the 'love' if you will? You all are looking like a bunch of frothing monsters. Hard to take anything seriously.
Where's the proof? All I'm seeing is a few opinions expressed from some blogs and a tremendous amount of fabrications and jumping to conclusions. Bruce REALLY needs to address things before they grow to these proportions, but you sheeple need to stop pretending everything you read on the internet is true. You do realize that the majority of negative opinions are all coming from members of a forum that hates Bitcoin users, right?
Bruce needs to change his act a LOT, but so do I, and so does this forum. Where's the cooperation? Where's the 'love' if you will? You all are looking like a bunch of frothing monsters. Hard to take anything seriously.
Call it ignorance if you want, but these forums attract some very scummy low-life types. That's probably why the developers wanted to get as far away from them as possible and move them offsite to bitcointalk
Bruce REALLY needs to address things before they grow to these proportions, but you sheeple need to stop pretending everything you read on the internet is true.
I made a somewhat lengthy post on this in the other thread we have on this forum, but I might as well make the same statement here.
If when you say Bruce needs to address things, you mean the accusations that are being made against him, I have to say I'm not completely sure I agree.
To everyone who is trying to make the issue be that Bruce is a pedophile? Prove it or shut up.
Slang isn't proof. A forum post you want to take out of context isn't proof. The fact he went to Pattaya and had a good time isn't proof. Hey, yeah, maybe he had a few hookers in Pattaya. Prove they were children or shut up.
I'm not a fan of Bruce. I have a number of issues with him. I have much bigger issues with the lot of you who think you have the right to make an accusation without evidence. Bruce has rights, including the right to not be slandered, whether you like the guy or not.
The only thing you do when you accuse him of something that you can't back up in any meaningful way is prove that you're at least as responsible for making Bitcoin users look bad as you want to claim Bruce is.
I have asked the moderator to delete the "other" post because it was construed as character assassination as opposed to a serious discussion of a public perception issue with bitcoin's self appointed evangelist. The fact is that in a place like Pattaya, the line between "innocent" prostitution and child sex is blurred. Sure "boy" can mean a young adult, but it can equally mean a child. The ambiguity was the point. I'd prefer to think the better of Bruce. I hope he addresses this issue head on and moves the Pattaya convention to Bangkok.
Daaaaamn...no wonder this thread has 9 pages! I'd been ignoring it as dis-interesting since finding out that 'Pattaya' was a place in Thailand and the OP didn't give me any clues about why it was even on the board.
Yet another in the string of bad news for Bitcoin. Maybe this issue will get that $/BTC ratio down some more and I can my order buy order in.
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I've come to the philosophy that in fact Bitcoin is actually not terribly useful at the present time because indeed the USD still work quite well as money to buy things. That leads me to the thought that the best thing for Bitcoin at this time is to really wring the system out with incident after incident of bad news and misfortune. If it holds up from a system level after these attacks, that will say a lot (to me at least.)
...but maybe I've just got some fox/grapes thing going. Who knows.
Yet another in the string of bad news for Bitcoin. Maybe this issue will get that $/BTC ratio down some more and I can my order buy order in.
---
I've come to the philosophy that in fact Bitcoin is actually not terribly useful at the present time because indeed the USD still work quite well as money to buy things. That leads me to the thought that the best thing for Bitcoin at this time is to really wring the system out with incident after incident of bad news and misfortune. If it holds up from a system level after these attacks, that will say a lot (to me at least.)
...but maybe I've just got some fox/grapes thing going. Who knows.
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
You know, it already says that in your signature. I'm sure you're really proud of that line and all, but repeating it twice per post is kind of pointless, and you tend to misspell it sometimes when you do.
Good point, FAtlas. I will discontinue the practice. Thank you kindly for bringing it to my attention.
Bruce REALLY needs to address things before they grow to these proportions, but you sheeple need to stop pretending everything you read on the internet is true.
I made a somewhat lengthy post on this in the other thread we have on this forum, but I might as well make the same statement here.
If when you say Bruce needs to address things, you mean the accusations that are being made against him, I have to say I'm not completely sure I agree.
To everyone who is trying to make the issue be that Bruce is a pedophile? Prove it or shut up.
Slang isn't proof. A forum post you want to take out of context isn't proof. The fact he went to Pattaya and had a good time isn't proof. Hey, yeah, maybe he had a few hookers in Pattaya. Prove they were children or shut up.
I'm not a fan of Bruce. I have a number of issues with him. I have much bigger issues with the lot of you who think you have the right to make an accusation without evidence. Bruce has rights, including the right to not be slandered, whether you like the guy or not.
The only thing you do when you accuse him of something that you can't back up in any meaningful way is prove that you're at least as responsible for making Bitcoin users look bad as you want to claim Bruce is.
poll - your fav BTC expos for 2012...
mine:
Medellin
Kabul
Bagdad
Tripoly - sik
Syria
The best korea
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mine:
Medellin
Kabul
Bagdad
Tripoly - sik
Syria
The best korea
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The Pattaya destination has been officially murdered 
If anyone really wants to go, I'm sure a certain internet Bitcoin host will be there. Sad thing is, there will probably be a few people who still think it's a great idea.
If only he hadn't stressed Pattaya so much and shit in the face of everyone who was saying it was a bad idea, for obvious reasons.
This guy thought Pattaya was a bad idea too....
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