Topic: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation - page 23. (Read 156711 times)
July 06, 2012, 05:04:38 AM
I have been sending mails to bitcoinica about the claims page but I don't get a reply... ??
July 06, 2012, 04:48:46 AM
Interesting.
So "Maria" has 1000 btc owed - for charity to (awwww what a nice gurl).
She amusingly demands interest of 60% (I assume to help out those charities)
Makes thinly veiled threats of violent visits (strange for a charitable person dont you think).
Refuses to log a claim and supply personal information.
The amount of money ($6000 AUD) is only worth a single paid violent visit to an individual (I have my contacts).
You would never announce you are having someone come over to persuade if you were indeed the type of person to organize this.
My guess Maria = Butt Hurt silk road seller trying to pretend they have some clout. If 5k has impacted your drug business at all you are essentially powerless.
Maria is hoping to reclaim her drug money, but is unable to provide the ID needed to do so, so here she is making public hollow threats.
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Check her post history. Making grandiose claims is one of Maria's favourite pastimes - she helped Satoshi launch Bitcoin, doncha know.
July 06, 2012, 01:32:30 AM
I am supposed to only give out the status for emails. Accounts are in 3 states:
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
Genjix, can you please clarify to me under which status does my accounts hold at the moment?
Maria. <3
You have no claim.
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
I do have a claim, and its a public one. Part of the funds you are holding are for a pending donation list I have including 1000 BTC for the forum. My claim now is aprox. 16500 BTC interest included.
If you have no intention of honoring my claim, please let me know. I have a PLAN B for your type of people.
Maria.
Interesting.
So "Maria" has 1000 btc owed - for charity to (awwww what a nice gurl).
She amusingly demands interest of 60% (I assume to help out those charities)
Makes thinly veiled threats of violent visits (strange for a charitable person dont you think).
Refuses to log a claim and supply personal information.
The amount of money ($6000 AUD) is only worth a single paid violent visit to an individual (I have my contacts).
You would never announce you are having someone come over to persuade if you were indeed the type of person to organize this.
My guess Maria = Butt Hurt silk road seller trying to pretend they have some clout. If 5k has impacted your drug business at all you are essentially powerless.
Maria is hoping to reclaim her drug money, but is unable to provide the ID needed to do so, so here she is making public hollow threats.
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July 05, 2012, 11:12:57 PM
You have no claim.
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
I do have a claim, and its a public one. Part of the funds you are holding are for a pending donation list I have including 1000 BTC for the forum. My claim now is aprox. 16500 BTC interest included.
If you have no intention of honoring my claim, please let me know. I have a PLAN B for your type of people.
Maria.
The claims process (both policies and procedures) are very reasonable.
Your refusal to go through the standard claims process constitutes clear and obvious bad faith.
As I said
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
Please keep private talks where they belong.
July 05, 2012, 11:11:20 PM
You have no claim.
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
I do have a claim, and its a public one. Part of the funds you are holding are for a pending donation list I have including 1000 BTC for the forum. My claim now is aprox. 16500 BTC interest included.
If you have no intention of honoring my claim, please let me know. I have a PLAN B for your type of people.
Maria.
The claims process (both policies and procedures) are very reasonable.
Your refusal to go through the standard claims process constitutes clear and obvious bad faith.
As I said
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
July 05, 2012, 05:47:15 PM
Actually, the fakes are moved out of the queue fairly quickly, and with no new claims being processed (if I am paraphrasing accurately?) then there is no barrier whatsoever to payments being made quickly.
Oh, except they don't move fast, and only have one poor over-worked soul doing anything, including fielding the righteous anger of the masses, while the rest sit around apparently trying to decide who gets to be the boss-man.
Oh, except they don't move fast, and only have one poor over-worked soul doing anything, including fielding the righteous anger of the masses, while the rest sit around apparently trying to decide who gets to be the boss-man.
July 05, 2012, 05:04:05 PM
I am supposed to only give out the status for emails. Accounts are in 3 states:
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
Genjix, can you please clarify to me under which status does my accounts hold at the moment?
Maria. <3
You have no claim.
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
I do have a claim, and its a public one. Part of the funds you are holding are for a pending donation list I have including 1000 BTC for the forum. My claim now is aprox. 16500 BTC interest included.
If you have no intention of honoring my claim, please let me know. I have a PLAN B for your type of people.
Maria.
People please look at this post carefully.
These type of fraudulent claims ( and to think he has the audacity to make these scammy claims PUBLICLY ) are why your coins are not in your wallet already ...
July 05, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
Why would anyone with over 10000 Bitcoins not be the first person to fill out a claim? I just don't get it. Much too risky. This Maria person just sounds like a Bully.
July 05, 2012, 04:43:13 PM
I have a PLAN B.
I hope that plan does not involve trolling, but I doubt it.
July 05, 2012, 04:42:57 PM
PLAN B
*popcorn*You have a public claim, but that means nothing. I could step up right here and now, and say that I have 8 sockpuppet accounts that were all signed up with fake data via Tor, and ask for a bunch of money, same as you. Is it valid? No, obviously not, because it cannot be verified. The same applies to your accounts.
July 05, 2012, 04:36:53 PM
I am supposed to only give out the status for emails. Accounts are in 3 states:
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
Genjix, can you please clarify to me under which status does my accounts hold at the moment?
Maria. <3
You have no claim.
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
I do have a claim, and its a public one. Part of the funds you are holding are for a pending donation list I have including 1000 BTC for the forum. My claim now is aprox. 16500 BTC interest included.
If you have no intention of honoring my claim, please let me know. I have a PLAN B for your type of people.
Maria.
July 05, 2012, 10:13:44 AM
I am supposed to only give out the status for emails. Accounts are in 3 states:
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
Genjix, can you please clarify to me under which status does my accounts hold at the moment?
Maria. <3
You have no claim.
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
You just got owned bitch!
btw. when will i see my 5 btc?
July 05, 2012, 09:52:44 AM
1. How the f** can you think it would be possible to turn those N bitcoins magically into N + x bitcoins, just because the bitcoin rate changed meanwhile.
2.Yes, the only way would be to trade and speculate with those bitcoins, which would be an immediate violation of the fact that those bitcoins are owned by other people.
3.Doing so whould be the typical mindset of a scammer, speculator or moral hazard player, not of a business person.
2. I think they already do (and always did before), they were Bucket shop
2b. Lawsuit? don't make me laugh! The consciousness of four years children.
3. This is a war between two sharpers. At stake is the reputation of being one of them. I'm on the side of Bitcoinica. Excuse me, but I always knew it, and I will continue to use the site (if it ever will be launched again. They have the reputation is to provide easy money. It is a valuable product, brand, there's a battle for the preservation of the brand.)
3b You're just angry at me because I sold 2 days ago
(advance notice to all)P\S I would prefer not to withdraw money, and leave her there, if the site will be launched again. To continue to increase capital. But it seems that they are not going to start the service again, very sad.
July 05, 2012, 04:18:36 AM
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Genjix, can you please clarify to me under which status does my accounts hold at the moment?
Maria. <3
Genjix, can you please clarify to me under which status does my accounts hold at the moment?
Maria. <3
You have no claim.
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
July 05, 2012, 01:52:18 AM
I am supposed to only give out the status for emails. Accounts are in 3 states:
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
Genjix, can you please clarify to me under which status does my accounts hold at the moment?
Maria. <3
You have no claim.
The online claims process is now closed to new claims.
If you wish to pursue a claim you will need to send a notarized copy of any and all information you have by mail to the registered address as listed by business.govt.nz
July 04, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
Having to read this thread is really maddening.
There are some f** retards, who completely dominate the discussion. Those posters write with an attitude of uttermost knowledge and competence, yet their conclusions are at the mental level of a 4 year old. Sorry for being so blatant.
Can someone of those brilliant knowers please elaborate on the following quest, in a precise and comprehensible fashion?
Given you have N bitcoins.
Given you are legally bound to pay them back to other people, who owned them originally.
How the f** can you think it would be possible to turn those N bitcoins magically into N + x bitcoins, just because the bitcoin rate changed meanwhile. Yes, the only way would be to trade and speculate with those bitcoins, which would be an immediate violation of the fact that those bitcoins are owned by other people. Doing so whould be the typical mindset of a scammer, speculator or moral hazard player, not of a business person.
Since there is the threat of legal action, the only sensible thing the Intersango guys can do is to do every thing up to the rules, which means to document every tiny step and to prove every action, thus making it accountable.
So please, can you stop your conspiracy theory kindergarten, yes?
If you want to sue, then please speak to your f** lawyer.
Otherwise just write your sum off, and proceed with other business.
Time will tell the truth, finally, but in meantime, stop wasting the time of all readers of this thread
PS: incidentally, do you know the "axiom of the mythical man month": adding more manpower to an late project makes it yet more late.
There are some f** retards, who completely dominate the discussion. Those posters write with an attitude of uttermost knowledge and competence, yet their conclusions are at the mental level of a 4 year old. Sorry for being so blatant.
Can someone of those brilliant knowers please elaborate on the following quest, in a precise and comprehensible fashion?
Given you have N bitcoins.
Given you are legally bound to pay them back to other people, who owned them originally.
How the f** can you think it would be possible to turn those N bitcoins magically into N + x bitcoins, just because the bitcoin rate changed meanwhile. Yes, the only way would be to trade and speculate with those bitcoins, which would be an immediate violation of the fact that those bitcoins are owned by other people. Doing so whould be the typical mindset of a scammer, speculator or moral hazard player, not of a business person.
Since there is the threat of legal action, the only sensible thing the Intersango guys can do is to do every thing up to the rules, which means to document every tiny step and to prove every action, thus making it accountable.
So please, can you stop your conspiracy theory kindergarten, yes?
If you want to sue, then please speak to your f** lawyer.
Otherwise just write your sum off, and proceed with other business.
Time will tell the truth, finally, but in meantime, stop wasting the time of all readers of this thread
PS: incidentally, do you know the "axiom of the mythical man month": adding more manpower to an late project makes it yet more late.
July 04, 2012, 07:59:38 PM
I am supposed to only give out the status for emails. Accounts are in 3 states:
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
- Fake. This is a minority of accounts so far we are certain are impostors.
- Accurate. At my last count, this was around 1 in 20 (5%). Only a portion of these has been paid so far. Still working through paying these people back (I don't have access to funds personally. It works like Donald gets a portion and does them in chunks at a time with proper authorisation from Tihan and Patrick).
- Queued. Majority of claims are in the queue waiting to be examined. Around half (a guess) of claims I believed were accurate, and various fakes got pushed back into the "lets examine then later category". Most simply haven't been looked at yet.
The idea is to sort out claims with the highest certainty (this means quicker payouts), then as you work down, you reconcile them with other payments. I know people here are congratulating me, but I've actually been a hindrance for the claims process. Several times, I caused some mix-ups and confusion so Donald hands me batches/tasks to complete at a time.
Genjix, can you please clarify to me under which status does my accounts hold at the moment?
Maria. <3
July 04, 2012, 07:17:45 PM
Patrick requested him to be added because he wanted to reset server root passwords. And he did receive several email reset confirmations. Whether the email is his personal email or work email, it shouldn't matter. It's the same email that he use to receive the confirmations and all Bitcoinica sensitive emails.
According to zhou, Patrick's email was added at Patrick's request to reset passwords. I can't believe Bitcoin Consultancy doesn't have their story straight this late in the game, and we are still seeing communication failures among their team.
Why would I need that? I already had the password for rackspace.
Indeed I had recently reset the root password for one of the virtual machines by using that password.
I can understand how this might be slightly confusing so I'll clarify.
There are two password reset mechanisms at rackspace.
One is for the rackspace control panel, this sends you an email with a password reset link, I had no use for this.
The second is for the root password of the virtual machines, this is accessible from the control panel, this is what I had used.
Thanks for the clarification. And good decision restricting genjix from root access, I also hope there aren't any local privilege-escalation vulnerabilities on machines where he's left SSH keys!
Best of luck with returning deposits, I hope you can accelerate the process soon once the "puzzle" starts coming together.
July 04, 2012, 06:51:16 PM
Patrick requested him to be added because he wanted to reset server root passwords. And he did receive several email reset confirmations. Whether the email is his personal email or work email, it shouldn't matter. It's the same email that he use to receive the confirmations and all Bitcoinica sensitive emails.
According to zhou, Patrick's email was added at Patrick's request to reset passwords. I can't believe Bitcoin Consultancy doesn't have their story straight this late in the game, and we are still seeing communication failures among their team.
Why would I need that? I already had the password for rackspace.
Indeed I had recently reset the root password for one of the virtual machines by using that password.
I can understand how this might be slightly confusing so I'll clarify.
There are two password reset mechanisms at rackspace.
One is for the rackspace control panel, this sends you an email with a password reset link, I had no use for this.
The second is for the root password of the virtual machines, this is accessible from the control panel, this is what I had used.
July 04, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
bitcoinBull, OK, take it up with Patrick. I'm just retelling a story.
No, you take it up with Patrick. You're the one who works with him. Get your story straight before retelling it. Two people of a three-person company should be be communicating better.
I did. I told you what I know happened. You said no. I said OK, fine ask Patrick.
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