Topic: Petition to remove Wasabi from recommendations of bitcoin.org - page 4. (Read 3084 times)

Yes, I was just testing it out.

Your point being?  We are using sarcasm because of how ironical and funny the B S you are saying is.  Do you ever read your own posts to realize how silly they sound?

I have some serious non sarcastic questions you never answer to.  They are a contribution to both topics I answered to and I have not seen an answer to those yet. Oh.  Wait.  Maybe because you only answer to the fragments of our posts that are convenient to you and to non serious replies.

Who are you even talking about?  Name and shame.  Which scammer did I support, besides you?

You took all my Wasabi Coin Join fees back when Wasabi pretended to be the Privacy protecting party of Bitcoin and are using it for Blockchain Analysis tools.  You are pretty much using the fees I paid against me, attacking the privileges I was paying you for.  Any body with two brain cells would understand using Blockchain Analysis on their own Privacy advocate customers would be a move against the customers.  Let alone Wasabi who I have no doubt knew this.  And you call out Mixers and Samourai?

Then Wasabi completely ignored the backlash and further more even started promoting their surveillance partnered Wallet on Bitcoin Talk for the first time.  I wonder why.

I have been using Mixers for many years.  Got scammed precisely zero times.  Zero BTC stolen from me.  With the way you are using my fees which were pretty hefty, I can comfortably say I got scammed.

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How come the only partners we have heard about from Wasabi are Blockchain Analysis and Trezor, out of which one is the most hated in the Bitcoin Talk community and the other has a history like this,
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There is only a single thing I get out of this whole situation.  Wasabi was pressured and cornered by some authority and it was a disappear or comply type of situation.  I get Wasabi wanted from a business perspective to continue as earnings I suppose were not negligible.

But then it would have made sense to act in a different manner.  If I had to choose between obeying and disappearing out of the Market and I was depending on the earnings from Wasabi I do not know what I would have done.  Mentally I would say disappear but I have not been there to know.

What I know is if my choice was to comply I would have said the unfortunate truth.  There would have been so much more for you to gain by doing so.  Imagine Wasabi came out telling the truth and apologizing by explaining there was nothing else they could have done but to obey.  Imagine they did not continue to deceive their users.  I would have continued to respect Wasabi knowing this is a tough time to try to rebel against the rules because by protesting you know they will try to take you out.

I in fact believe some of us would have even continued to stay and support.  You could have worked with us rather than go against us.  We could have helped you find a way to make it better for every body while not risking the safety of Wasabis team.  You could have said something along the lines of 'We are sorry this is happening.  It is inconvenient to all of us.  Particularly to our customers.  We want to let you know that even if we had no choice but to obey, this does not mean your Coins will ever get to any authority.  It does not mean we have switched sides.  We will strive to find a better way for every body to be happy'.

Instead.  You chose to fully switch sides, lie, deceive and act as a Bitcoin hero.  Recently turning into pretending that Wasabi is in fact Bitcoin.  Guess the only missing piece of the puzzle is some body from Wasabis team partnering with CSW or pretending to be Satoshi themselves.

More over.  What I would have done is fund competitors who continue to do what I wanted to do.  Such as Join Market.  I would have funded others who are trying to continue doing what my dream was.  Building a way to create close to perfect Privacy for Bitcoin users.  That would have shown respect to my customers and respect to those who are brave enough to continue what I have been warned to stop doing.

Trying to overlook Join Market with superiority only makes you seem even worse.  As I said.  It is understandable to break down mentally and choose the safer way for you.  But if you then IMMEDIATELY transition to spitting on all the rest who are choosing the riskier side.  Then it means you were a pathological liar pretending all along.

But what did I expect really.  Superheroes are only real in the movies.

Based on that, can we conclude that you weren't satisfied with the zkSNACKs coordinator for some reason, and that made you run your own despite suffering from liquidity and traffic issues because I am guessing there weren't many other parties coinjoining with you? Why would a pro-Wasabi and zkSNACKs individual run a different coordinator? Just testing it out? 

I mean it's technically still running, I only used it for coordinating my own coinjoin one time.


They are paid to promote custodians, it's not like they don't obviously know they are accepting fractionally reserved funds. And they have no excuse that they didn't see it coming because once the previous custodian finished taking all the money from their customers, they switched to advertise a new custodian. Can you guess what happened with the new custodian?

So, that's a thing of the past then? Why did you stop? You suggested a few posts above that I could run my own coordinator and outperform zkSNACKs by charging lower fees. Did that not work when you tried it?

Are you claiming they are the owners of the mixing services they advertise? You do realize there is a difference between advertising something any owning a certain company or brand. So even if the thing they advertised was doing everything you said it does, it's not the people wearing the signatures that are stealing the coins or data. If the CEO of Nike was arrested for fraud, would you arrest everyone on the street wearing Nike sneakers for being criminals? 

If you can't come up with anything to contribute to the topic that isn't sarcasm, then I've made my point effectively.

It feels more and more like talking to a child or a BSV cult member every time Kruw writes a response.  Recently the BSV cult member feeling dominates a little bit.  Kruw has an ego at levels never seen before.  He now refers to Wasabi as Bitcoin,

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Kruw.  I think you should stop.  You are starting to see yourself through others and it is not good for Wasabis image.  I know I gave you a mirror in the other topic but be careful how you use it.

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Do not worry Kruw.  All the damage we dealt to Bitcoins Privacy has now been fixed by Wasabi using Blockchain Analysis.  And every time more damage is dealt, Blockchain Analysis will do their job at healing it again.

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Are you a magician or how do you nail these every single time?  It is impressive!  You would do insanely good as a crime investigator.  I wonder how the FBI has not arrested all of us yet after all this much stolen money.  We deserve to sit right next to Ruja Ignatova on their watch list after the damages done by our gang of Bitcoin goons.

Yes, that is a grave accusation, but there's really no other way to explain Samourai deceiving their users by telling them that their mobile light wallet (which spies on the complete financial history of their users, including the coinjoins they pay Samourai for) is a "full node wallet" and "always has been" when asked why they have not implemented BIP157 block filters: https://twitter.com/SamouraiWallet/status/1576923638846005248

Only politicians lie that boldly, and Samourai is lying boldly because they have something valuable to gain if you believe them: Your data.  Samourai's dishonesty has been exposed by not only Peter Todd and the Wasabi team, but also by Greg Maxwell:



I already showed BlackHatCoiner and o_e_l_e_o how to click the single button needed to run a WabiSabi coordinator:



The reason they don't want to run a coordinator is because WabiSabi coinjoin coordination is completely non custodial and completely private.  If they were coordinating WabiSabi coinjoins, then they wouldn't be able to keep stealing people's Bitcoins and keep spying on people's data using their "mixing sites".

I'm not talking about the technical flaws in the design, if they are there. I'm not a very technical person, I can't speak for/against it. I'm merely questioning what he said when he mentioned that the team behind SamouraiWallet is an entity that might be working for a State-Sponsored-Actor who's looking into de-anonymizing CoinJoins. That ser, is a grave accusation.


Make an ELI-5 guide, make it educational. Users need to run their own coordinators.

I have coordinated my own WabiSabi coinjoin before.

Displaying developers' revenue spending is impractical according to crwatkins:  https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/issues/4125#issuecomment-1793827490.

I would argue that this particular information is more than just "revenue spending".  Dropping your 2 cents to this discussion would be helpful. 

Who knows how many there are. Wasabi and zkSNACKs doesn't keep records, blockchain analysis isn't going to publish anything, and those who got banned from participating in a coinjoin, for whatever reason, aren't going to complain publicly in great numbers.

Why don't you do it for example? Are you personally happy with the route zkSNACKs has taken with the censorship? Do you think there should be censorship like this?

Wow, after your claims of Wasabi having flaws were exposed as lies by Peter Todd, you falsely accuse him of being "a partner with Wasabi".  Peter Todd is not a partner with Wasabi, he is a user of Wasabi.


You shouldn't recommend Whirlpool coinjoins.  Unlike WabiSabi coinjoins, Whirlpool coinjoins are traceable:



When you use WabiSabi coinjoins, your addresses are not linked together.  You gain full privacy for every payment with no leftovers.

- Me getting paid for advertising a mixer: Shill.
- Peter Todd being partners with Wasabi: Not a shill.

I'm talking really freely by the way. I don't hide the fact that I prefer coinjoining over using a mixer. In fact, I'm pretty much recommending doing Whirlpool coinjoins and using Monero as much as possible, and whenever reviewing a mixer I'm very strict due to the competition of decentralized mixing. And guess what, I'm not getting paid by neither Samourai nor Monero devs.

If a user was blacklisted by zkSNACKs then they would recognize the difference because they would not be allowed to participate. Since everyone seems convinced blockchain analysis is a scam that doesn't produce accurate results, you assume there are many of these users who are banned that will switch to your coordinator, right?

Besides, you can always outcompete zkSNACKs by charging lower coordinator fees or by offering different round parameters that better fit to certain use cases.


I don't know.

It was a typo, but I see you edited your post as well after I did it to mine. Because they are not familiar with it. They won't know what's the difference between zkSNACKs, mine, and any other coordinators there are. Before you say that they can check the code, I am sure you know that most people don't know how to read and understand code.

When we are on the subject of alternative coordinators, can you tell us how many there are currently? Also, how does their traffic look like compared to the default one?

Why do you think that "they most probably will not" switch to your coordinator?

Yes, they can. But 'can' isn't the same as 'will', so they must most probably will not because they will stick with the default one, which is zkSNACKs. You aren't advertising the negatives of zkSNACKs and who they are in bed with, and people not reading this discussion and similar ones wouldn't know why they should abandon zkSNACKs

Not in the literal sense of the world, obviously. Check the reply above.

It's not a "very grave accusation", it's simply how BIP32 hierarchical deterministic address generation works.  If you use the same seed on two devices, you will generate the exact same addresses: https://bips.xyz/32

It's fortunate we have Bitcoin experts like Peter Todd to prove custodial shills like o_e_l_e_o and BlackHatCoiner wrong about "flaws" they claim exist in Wasabi coinjoins.  The problem is that o_e_l_e_o and BlackHatCoiner are duplicating their lies on every topic about privacy they find on this forum, so I have to continually use Peter Todd's clip to expose them as frauds on multiple threads, which is why you must think I'm using it as "some sort of marketing material".

I like Peter Todd, and I believe he should be included in a group of Trusted Stewards that should maintain and oversee Bitcoin's development and progress, BUT I believe that's still a very grave accusation there and one that we should probably take with a grain of salt. Stop using it as some sort of marketing material.

What would probably make a good market material for WasabiWallet is a pleb/ELI-5 guide on how to start/boot-strap your own CoinJoin. That would truly help with Bitcoin's privacy and fungibility, no?