Topic: Piece of Shit Bitcoiners et al. Hall of Fame - page 5. (Read 15813 times)

For a person with such a breadth of understanding regarding global expansion of totalitarianism, why would you insist on others publicly disclosing stuff like their cryptoholdings, when, tomorrow for example, crypto could be illegal and all such posts might be admissions of possession and thus grounds for confiscation?

Do you even have any cryptocurrency?

As I warned you, the countries will be pushed towards cooperating against financial crime:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers

The globalists are destroying the nation-states on purpose and inciting the masses to clamor for a global discipline on malfeasance. I've known for a long time this would be coming. One thing you will learn about me by observing me over time is my ability to predict the future. For example was my 2011 prediction that the nations would not exit the EU and instead would double-down for more sloppy seconds.

Ethics are highly subjective. We can debate ethics endlessly.

Technically instamines are different than premines because of differences in esoteric coinbase origin stories.

Premines must be created by the devs, while instamines are slightly more democratic in that there could be any number of participants.  A well advertised instamine with many participants may be just a coin with an unusually large early emission, so they are not as necessarily centralized as premines.

In Dash's case, technicalities about genesis blocks aren't sufficient distinctions to make a difference, especially when the terms normally apply to coins that (accurately/honestly) pre-announce intention to have insta/pre mines (usually for funding purposes).

Dash's fiasco of a ninja-launch, featuring an "accidental" 33% of all coins ever going to the dev and a handful of insiders more or less right away, is the functional equivalent of a premine.

Dash conspicuously lacks a strictly and successfully mathematically defined emission curve, which is the basis for any legitimate Bitcoin-like e-cash/digital hard asset.

Dash is whatever Duffield feels like doing this week.  In the Evan's Gate cult, there is no social contract other than "Obey Supreme Master Duffield; He is our Satoshi."

Dash has nothing like BTC's 21 million coin limit, which makes it even more implausible that Duffield couldn't burn the instamine or relaunch with fair notice and a patch for the "accidental" instamine-causing "bug."

With Masternodes being sold as a HYIP, THE DARKCOIN FOUNDTION INC's entire cockamamie scheme reeks of malfeasance.

Come-from-Beyond (who is in Belarus) make a similar line of argument to me.

It seems to me that those who grew up in these (former?) Communist states developed a culture of theft, because that was the only way to game the totalitarian system. We all know that Communism is a philosophy of stealing from each other.

And now they blame that on the Americans who worked more diligently and with attention to quality and pride in one's work, than any other nation except perhaps Japan. Globalist leaders insinuate it is okay for your to steal to take back from the evil Americans who took more than their fair share. They urge you to continue the Communist paradigm of ganging up on your neighbor.

I call on American software developers to take the high ground and show the world our cultural heritage and values. Let's teach these Eastern Europeans why America kicks ass with productivity and trying to do the right thing.

Now I will surely agree with you that so many Americans have become dysfunctional Socialists and are milking the reserve currency status. And I will agree with you that American leaders have abused other nations, and in fact Antony Sutton researched and concluded that the banksters from America and Europe installed the Bolshevik revolution. I haven't studied your history enough, so I don't want to make any claim.

I will just try to urge you to please lose that Communist attitude and please work to make the world a better place. We need to not end up in an unethical clusterfuck Dark Age. And take back your right to own a gun because without that, you are nothing against totalitarianism.

The USA is fucked up and it will need to break up into separate regions where those who have shared values can congregate. There are big changes coming to world accelerating as of 2018.

I urge you to look past the tip of your nose and be part of the better future. Let's go make it. I am 51. My time to be highly productive at the top level has peaked; and I am on the tail end of my career. You are young. You make this world. Please think about what you are doing.

Edit: and Evan is an American and thus all the more I demand he not insult the reputation of American developers by operating perhaps the most scammy altcoin by market cap (although some might argue that is Ripple).

Okay you are focused on quantifying what got ripped off, which you claim is necessary to conclude that people did get ripped off. (which is ludicrous, there are ways of ascertaining that people got ripped off without quantifying it precisely and identifying the victims, analogous to I can see a plane crash and presume there are victims without quantifying or identifying, but let's for the moment follow your twisted mindset...)

So according to your definition, there exists no scam until we are able to subpoena all the exchanges that trade DRK (and presume that all of them are strictly enforcing KYC), so that we can gather the specific calculations of whom was buying from an insider, how much the insiders were able to manipulate the price and volume with their alleged control over the float (due to 32.1% instamine and presumed further concentration of coin supply to insiders due to the dividend paying masternode scheme), and know all the identities of all the people involved.

What AlexGR proposes is that we will need KYC every where because otherwise there is no way to stop scams by putting the scam leaders (and accomplices such as AlexGR!) on Shit lists such as the OP. So AlexGR is for big government and enslavement of everyone. Ostensibly Evan sends his accomplices over here to argue against honest disclosure to n00bs.

However, note there was no such proof about Mt. Gox until that data was obtained by the authorities.

So you can't definitively prove that b), c), and d) don't exist.

And the evidence we have presented overwhelmingly favors the conclusion that b), c), and d) do exist if the authorities ever get around to collecting all the data.

Thus the evidence overwhelmingly favors putting Evan into the OP's list.

I believe there are many people on the OP's list that have not yet been convicted in a court of law. And thus where the numbers you demand have not yet been established as fact by an impartial authority.

Therefor your definition excluded entire classes of people who should be on the list and are on the list. So you failed my challenge and have lost the debate. Now please stop wasting my time. You want to do illegal and unethical scams that rip people off. Go ahead. I want nothing to do with you. Stay far away from me please.


And nothing can be proven unequivocally until all the data around the scam can be collected and correlated.

This is one reason why ponzi/pyramid scams are so difficult for n00bs to avoid. Because aholes like AlexGR get up here and tell them that everything it okay and that it is just a "free market" when in fact it is manipulated ponzi market.

Helping investors make money is good, but doing it in such a way that makes it impossible for that to ever be widely adopted because you won't get many people to invest in the ecosystem built around a scam, means that this has no positive benefit. If Evan was honest in his presentation on the website, I would have nothing to say other than to say I wouldn't invest, advise others not to based on the history, and perhaps mention the possible liability of SEC and FinCEN action. But the way Evan deceives the public, means he is going to give our entire sector a bad reputation around nefarious deception. The scam can't be hidden forever. It won't just go away. It will be the poster child of altcoin corruption that people look back on.


I am still waiting for you reply. You chose to ignore this challenge, thus you lost the debate.

Wow.  Vertoe unmasked as Kyle Hagen is one damn fine plot twist!

Here's more context and proof of the DashHole's bad faith.

First, they threatened Kyle's family when he left.  Second, Greg Maxwell confirms Duffield had no interest in technical discussion (only using the BTC core dev's name for Dash marketing).


 

Except for ponzi/pyramid related schemes, in which case every scammer claims there are no victims.

In most scams you can say

a) What the scam is
b) What is the financial size of the scam
c) Who are the victims of the scam / Who got ripped off
d) How much did the victims lose

Example (Karpeles):

a) "Losing" or stealing the money of investors and pretended to be hacked
b) 700k+ BTC / 700mn USD
c) People who had funds in his exchange
d) 700k+ BTC / 700mn USD collectively / individually 700k+ BTC divided by their respective deposits in cash or BTCs.

You can claim "scam" for any number of reasons but can't tell me (b), (c), (d).

I see you want to play legalese semantic games such as Bill Clinton's famous definition of what 'is' is. Okay.


Please define the difference between a scam and unethical (and probably illegal in the USA and perhaps the EU at least) deception of investors?


Please define "ripping people off" unambiguously such that all those on the OP's list FACTUALLY qualify but Evan doesn't.


I warned you, and you are determined to make an asshat of yourself. I will await your definitions so I can skewer you to the wall for wasting my precious time.


(readers thanks to 5 organic eggs, bowl of broccoli, and copious amounts of freshly caught tuna tinola soup, my vision is back to normal ... very odd digestive system I have now ... my gf didn't prepare my normal food regimen yesterday)

Supposedly, the above was penned by Kyle Hagan, Evan's business partner for ~10 years. Evan's name is on the original Mt Gox dump circa 2012(?):

WOW! I've been on this for exactly 4 hours since I posted above. I think I wore out Google. 

Apparently because Kyle was smart enough to get the fuck out of this Dash Mafia:



What did Kyle Hagan write that pissed off the Dash Mafia?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14409192

I got to post 141 (above) and have done nothing but Googling since (pass ~3 hours). I now echo the sentiment expressed, but opt to err on the side of caution to be fair to Evan in keeping his name at the bottom of the list with links expressing both sides of the coin.

Aside: I will nuke this thread if it takes away too much of masturbation time.  


 

Again, I was under the weather and needed a clear head to tackle this issue.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-hagan-b49b157

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Experience

Operating System Engineer 5
Wells Fargo
October 2011 – Present (4 years 7 months)
Systems Engineer

Bechtel Corporation
March 2005 – August 2011 (6 years 6 months)

Why doesn't Kyle mention anything about DASH on his Linkedin page?

Please forgive me for my slow responses today, as I can barely see. I gorged on pizza last night (delicious like coming upon an oasis in the desert after eating oatmeal & broccoli for weeks) and made me nearly blind this morning. I really need to stick with my strict diet. i am squinting and everything is so incredibly blurry.


And he didn't notice that 32.1% of the long-term coin supply had been mined in less than 24 hours the second time


5% is not 32.1%. And because no one cared about crypto-currency, because he invented the entire sector. Evan invented only how to scam cleverly because there are many now who want to mine. And I dispute that 5% estimate.

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Macno apparently deleted that post. Thanks for quoting him. Yeah Evan ostensibly realized the only way you can profit on a shitcoin is to sell out 32.1% to a small group of scammers who conspire together to P&D. Again I noticed Erik Voorhees (who already paid fines to the SEC) pumping Dash at a YouTube of a recent conference.

Whereas a coin with widespread adoption could make its inventor very wealthy with only 1% of the coin, which is ostensibly not enough to manipulate (P&D) the exchange market.


I will need to quit for the rest of the day. I'll be blind if I don't get off this computer now.

It doesn't help when you claim something that Gmaxwell didn't write. He didn't state Dash in that post.

If you feel so smug, then you can disclose fully then. But the problem is if you feel so smug, you can also lie in your disclosure.

I think you are going to be suprised how much the world changes towards coordinated government action across the G20 and beyond. There is a massive contagion underway that will really kick into high gear in 2018.

I think you will find that totalitarianism will increase for many years before it finally implodes around 2033. I think this will mean the governments will join together and double-down on boots on throats. I would not want to have your attitude.

But moreover, I would not want your sleazy ethics. We are supposed to be helping humanity here, not making schemes that deceive n00bs. Come on you know the "no victims" diversion is an attempt to be unethical. Instead make a plan to deceive the bastards who are abusing us, which can empower the n00bs. That is what I am doing.

1. Your debate starts and ends at the point where you consider Evan's actions immoral. You are entitled to think that and nobody can tell you anything about it.

2. Your debate is lost when you are saying things that are non-factual, like Evan ripping people off, and then citing "high quality" witnesses with "high quality" arguments, like those which have been presented so far.