Topic: Please make your vote for the flag created against game-protect - page 2. (Read 2914 times)

How can the community prevent bitcointalk accounts to abuse the trust system?

The below extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts knowingly support the incorrect fact-statement that Game Protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, around July 2019, but are not able to show the alleged written contract!

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Is bitcointalk.org a legal-free zone where everyone can abuse the trust system?

The personality we experienced from GP so far, I do not think a person like GP would not try to take leverage of the refund he made and kept it silent. In fact GP is saying he owes y amount of money from h4ns and the amount of €210 has been deducted from that y amount (do you see how he is counter attacking?)

This could be a reason but again I do not think this is the case.

If I have a clash with someone then I will not go and write a long easy to some xyz person saying that ignore that someone coz this does not worth beep beep beep coz he has my beep beep beep etc.

By the way, you are perfectly okay to support or not to support a flag. My goal of this conversation is not anything to do with your flag supporting or dropping. I hope you understand and don't feel bad about it.

I am trying to find a ground of what we as a community should do if we have this feeling that there are some odd things going on and someone is becoming a victim of blackmailing. If we allow this kind of blackmailing then in the future the same person will make more victim of him. You or me could be the next one!

Personally, i feel bad i had to remove my support for the tag, but with the withdrawal of h4ns, i'd be supporting something the original victim doesn't want support for. It's perfectly possible it was a case of backmail, but so far there is no proof...
Blackmailing is a real life offence, not just breaking a forum rule, i personally feel that if h4ns is being blackmailed, the least of his worries would be getting GP tagged or flagged, he'd rather see him fined or behind bars. The only way to do this is getting law enforcement involved.
But once again, this is all speculation... I've seen no proof h4ns is being blackmailed. It's perfectly possible GP just payed h4ns the €210 to get rid of this problem, or that h4ns just decided to forgive GP since he tought €210 wasn't worth his troubles...

But, if there ever is a flag for blackmailing, and there is sufficient proof for me to conclude h4ns was blackmailed, i'd support that flag in a heartbeat. For now, i have left negative trust on GP's profile based on the things i've actually observed: his erratic behaviour, the fact that he posts medical information about mental illnesses without consent (thus invades other's privacy), the fact that he twists words and defenitions to find loopholes (think about fixating on dates, the word "donation", the fact that he makes financial claims for unproven facts and then deducts refunds from these claims,...

@GP's rant: keep repeating the same semantics over and over again won't make me change my mind. I find the fact that you don't think an email is a written contract semantics. I find the fact that you brought the word "donations" in your emails semantics. I find the fact that the original flag wasn't pinpointing the exact date semantics.

I'm not in DT1, but please contact Theymos if you feel i should be excluded from DT1 if i would ever make it into there by the voting system (highly doubtfull, i don't think a lot of people would ever include me in their trustlists)

The only reason i withdrew my support was because h4ns withdrew his flag... For some strange reason, you've gotten what you wanted...

I asked you to show the alleged written contract and you are not able to deliver!

Therefore you knowingly support a flag containing incorrect fact-statements and abused the trust system!



In other words, you publicly support that a written contract was violated, but you do not want to know whether or not it is true!


Does not exist!

Game Protect only takes donations without any legally binding agreement.


Real world legal aspects: Donations are given without return consideration.


Does not exist!

Game Protect does not make contracts and therefore can not intent to be legally bound by such!

Yeah, I am aware of this but I said in practice I have never seen it. May be h4ns can talk prior about this with theymos before going for such steps if he really wants.

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But here is my question that is concerning me:

What we as a community do when we know that there are some bad force behind something and someone (x) is blackmailing someone else (y) to drop a claim because he (x) has such information to put him (y) trouble in real life.

Do we allow the person x to do such thing? If not then how to we keep the community safe from such person so that some other user (z) does not fall a victim of the same?

I have, my memory fails me so i cannot find the topic in question.

There are some other users I have mentioned in my last post can confirm such thing. May be a fear from h4ns has forced him (h4ns) to drop the claim.


The idea is good and off course theymos has the IP logs but question is if he will share it or not. If he does not then things will go worse for h4ns. And from practical experience I never seen theymos to step in to this sorts of case.

This would change everything offcourse, but it would be really hard to proof blackmailing unless h4ns could confirm this.
If h4ns is being blackmailed, i'd encourage him to go to his local law enforcement agency and open a case against GP, then come to the forum with this case. Theymos has ip logs, there are payment traces, GP has an active website and claims to have defended cases. I'm pretty sure a serious law enforcement agence would be able to trace him in case somebody opened a police report against him.

I will continue to support all flags i'm confronted with that are based on valid claims, this includes any future flags on GP (for example, a flag for blackmailing, eventough i don't know which type of flag you'd have to create if you were being blackmailed). At this moment, I'm just confronted with the fact that the flag creator withdrew his flag, and i'm not presented with evidence that he was being forced to do so... So i feel i have no other choice but to drop my support for this particular flag.

What about blackmailing.
GP could be blackmailing h4ns and as a result possibly h4ns is going silent? Don't forget that GP has h4ns's identifications.

And if this is true then how we as a community response here against GP?

PS: I am sure yogg, actmyname, marlboroza are aware of what I am trying to point out.

I have mixed feelings about this post... But here I go:

I will drop my support for h4ns's flag and exchange my negative tag on GP's trust page by a different negative tag because h4ns withdrew his claim. I feel that when a flag has been dropped by the flag creator, i no longer have the right to keep supporting the flag or tag, since withdrawing a flag more or less means that h4ns was reimbursed or forgave GP (unless he tells us otherwise).

However, i still believe my initial support for this flag was correct. I read h4ns's topic and to the best of my knowledge, i tought it was valid.
I am not a lawyer, and i'm not interested in discussing wether or not an e-mail is to be considered to be a written contract (or not), or that mixing the word "donation" into the conversation results in making every payment a donation (or not).
As I said: i'm not a lawyer,  it's perfectly possible that in a court of law GP's statement would hold, however, my gut feeling tells me these are all semantics, and i believed there was some kind of agreement between GP and h4ns, and GP did not honour said agreement thus deserved a flag and a tag, no matter how hard he tried to focus on the semantics to find a loophole that would prove his "innocence".

But, like i said, the withdrawal of h4ns more or less forces me to withdraw my support... I still wouldn't trust GP with a single penny, the way he handles all criticism tells me i never want to be a client of his company, and leads me to believe he'll be able to weasel his way out of any commitment he makes.

Game Protect never scammed h4ns and the scam accusation is false and misleading!

theymos announced to remove DT members who knowingly support a flag containing incorrect fact-statements. Did that happen?


Game Protect does not make any contracts and never made any written contract with h4ns!

The supporters know that a written contract does not exist, because I asked them multiple times to show the alleged written contract, but they are not able to show it!

Around 2 days ago, h4ns (the creator of the Flag) withdrew it:


The Flag system requires Flag-creators to withdraw their support once they've been made whole. Did that happen?

Lol!
It is not so bad after all, more time game-protect spend typing user names, less time to scam he has.

@gp report us to administration, make everyone aware of your behaviour 

The below extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts persist to abuse the trust system with knowingly supporting the incorrect fact-statement that Game Protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, around July 2019, but are not able to show the alleged written contract!

How can you enforce his claim if you do not have a contract to represent him ?

Correct.


Game Protect does not make contracts!


Game Protect does not represent claimants at courts!

According to you game protect makes no contracts.

Show me the contract that continues his claim.  Show your capacity to represent him in a real life court !

You can claim either that you don't make contracts or that you have a contract with him to enforce his claim. You can't claim both without exposing the other as a lie.

xtraelx deliberately misleads the public with claiming that this email



is a WRITTEN CONTRACT!

UK law is similar to the law in most commonwealth countries.

For contracts to be legally binding, five essential elements must be present. There must be:

1) An offer;
2) Acceptance of the offer;
3) Consideration (i.e., some form of payment);
4) An intention to be legally bound by the contract; and
5) Certainty as to what the parties have agreed.

https://businessadvice.co.uk/business-development/business-planning/are-emails-legally-binding/[/quote]

Does not exist!

Game Protect only takes donations without any legally binding agreement.


Real world legal aspects: Donations are given without return consideration.


Does not exist!

Game Protect does not make contracts and therefore can not intent to be legally bound by such!

Welcome to the elite group :-P

I am so glad I finally made it to your list man - seriously! About time...! Online Gaming Consumer Protection... LOL