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Quote from: just_Alice on November 25, 2020, 12:33:29 PM

Hey, don't scare away the newbies Cheesy

Poker rules aren't that hard, after all, I've learned to play five-card poker at the age of 11 and even then it didn't seem like something complex. After a while, I tried taking part in poker tournaments, but they were mostly Texas Hold'em and I wasn't familiar with the rules. Even though in tournaments everything happens quickly and you have to think fast I got the hang of things after 3-4 games. The best way to learn something - is to learn it through practice, imo.

Hahaha, I am not scary them, but that is the fact that they need to know, so they don't feel bad if they are lost. If they can learn about poker better than other people, they will have a chance to bluff and win the game.

But I think that is hard for me. Maybe that is because I don't want to learn or know how to play the poker game. My friends who teach me about poker game tell me that I am not good at learning poker, so they suggest that I play simple gambling games that are not complicated to understand.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on November 25, 2020, 10:04:35 PM

It reminds me that the first time I saw poker games looked very complicated, but after practicing for just a few hours it turns out
that it is not that difficult to learn mathematical probability. Because the game of poker is based on skills, so don't be lazy to practice.
My weakness in playing poker is not being able to control emotions, so that makes me often experience losses when playing poker.

Emotions are a recipe for losses in poker. The moment you are beginning to shake or show some signs of doubt is the time your opponent reads you very clearly. They will play on you.

You actually don't have to learn mathematical probability in poker. If you are already familiar with cards, their numbers, and their patterns, and have been playing card games, you can easily understand why certain hands are stronger than others, how your hand would match against other possible hands, and why your hand is probably winning or losing.

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It reminds me that the first time I saw poker games looked very complicated, but after practicing for just a few hours it turns out
that it is not that difficult to learn mathematical probability. Because the game of poker is based on skills, so don't be lazy to practice.
My weakness in playing poker is not being able to control emotions, so that makes me often experience losses when playing poker.

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Quote from: just_Alice on November 25, 2020, 12:33:29 PM

Hey, don't scare away the newbies Cheesy

Poker rules aren't that hard, after all, I've learned to play five-card poker at the age of 11 and even then it didn't seem like something complex. After a while, I tried taking part in poker tournaments, but they were mostly Texas Hold'em and I wasn't familiar with the rules. Even though in tournaments everything happens quickly and you have to think fast I got the hang of things after 3-4 games. The best way to learn something - is to learn it through practice, imo.

To be more safe, practice playing with your friends so you have a control to what happens, the people that I have played with are okay with just enjoying the game without the problem of money, we have some casino chips laying around and we distributed those equally and played the game, most of the time Chinese poker is what we play but poker is enjoyable.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on November 23, 2020, 08:44:24 PM

Quote from: just_Alice on November 23, 2020, 07:21:26 PM

Knowing these probabilities might be helpful to assess your exact chances of beating the opponent, however, I don't see much point in memorizing or copying them somewhere and keeping in sight during the game (maybe if you're a beginner). The thing is - if you're a regular player you realize all that intuitively. For instance, I never had a clue what's the probability of being dealt a pair or three of a kind, but it has always been obvious that the latter one is much cooler Cheesy

On the contrary, I think that some kind of dynamic probabilities may come in handy. I mean some kind of guides or calculators (even better) that would show you how the probabilities of holding a certain card will change depending on your decisions (especially useful when you decide whether or not to discard your cards, and if yes - which ones), because in this case, things might be less apparent. Sadly, I've never seen anything of the like.

Remember that sometimes it doesn't depends solely on the cards sometimes bluffing and other strategies do matter on most of the circumstances.

They have this quote in poker, " don't bluff the fools " which literally says the thing with not so much a player of poker, bluffing them might just result to your end coz they understand less of the bluffing strategies. But in cases like professional poker, psychology that includes gestures and eye contact is the most crucial but most effective one. This is why I love poker Cheesy

Quote from: rhomelmabini on November 23, 2020, 08:44:24 PM

I don't have to memorize all of this too but it comes in handy if you're that genius or if you have much time thinking what are the other cards of your opponent is holding which I think is very rare to happen.

Whenever I play poker, I play safe most of the time, don't be a wishful thinker coz it will ruin you almost everytime. You just have to be wary of the in and outs from the card.

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Quote from: just_Alice on November 23, 2020, 07:21:26 PM

Knowing these probabilities might be helpful to assess your exact chances of beating the opponent, however, I don't see much point in memorizing or copying them somewhere and keeping in sight during the game (maybe if you're a beginner). The thing is - if you're a regular player you realize all that intuitively. For instance, I never had a clue what's the probability of being dealt a pair or three of a kind, but it has always been obvious that the latter one is much cooler Cheesy

On the contrary, I think that some kind of dynamic probabilities may come in handy. I mean some kind of guides or calculators (even better) that would show you how the probabilities of holding a certain card will change depending on your decisions (especially useful when you decide whether or not to discard your cards, and if yes - which ones), because in this case, things might be less apparent. Sadly, I've never seen anything of the like.

Remember that sometimes it doesn't depends solely on the cards sometimes bluffing and other strategies do matter on most of the circumstances. I don't have to memorize all of this too but it comes in handy if you're that genius or if you have much time thinking what are the other cards of your opponent is holding which I think is very rare to happen.

I don't even know how to used the mathematical probability of playing a poker cards. What i know was that you should have the smallest amount of cards in hand to be able to win the game. Well it so happen that sometimes or even always you may get a set of cards where you can't make a set of flush, royal, or straight plus and this is where you can apply your strategies and tactics to manipulate your card that's why memorizing of all of this might not useful to me.

If you think that playing poker will be hard for you, you don't have to try to play it. Learning poker is not easy because you need to know how to make a match of the card. I don't know about the poker game, so I don't play that game, but what I believe in a poker game is if you know the game better than the other people, you will have more chance to win because you can have a good card from the other player.

Hey, don't scare away the newbies Cheesy

Poker rules aren't that hard, after all, I've learned to play five-card poker at the age of 11 and even then it didn't seem like something complex. After a while, I tried taking part in poker tournaments, but they were mostly Texas Hold'em and I wasn't familiar with the rules. Even though in tournaments everything happens quickly and you have to think fast I got the hang of things after 3-4 games. The best way to learn something - is to learn it through practice, imo.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on November 23, 2020, 08:44:24 PM

Quote from: just_Alice on November 23, 2020, 07:21:26 PM

Knowing these probabilities might be helpful to assess your exact chances of beating the opponent, however, I don't see much point in memorizing or copying them somewhere and keeping in sight during the game (maybe if you're a beginner). The thing is - if you're a regular player you realize all that intuitively. For instance, I never had a clue what's the probability of being dealt a pair or three of a kind, but it has always been obvious that the latter one is much cooler Cheesy

On the contrary, I think that some kind of dynamic probabilities may come in handy. I mean some kind of guides or calculators (even better) that would show you how the probabilities of holding a certain card will change depending on your decisions (especially useful when you decide whether or not to discard your cards, and if yes - which ones), because in this case, things might be less apparent. Sadly, I've never seen anything of the like.

Remember that sometimes it doesn't depends solely on the cards sometimes bluffing and other strategies do matter on most of the circumstances. I don't have to memorize all of this too but it comes in handy if you're that genius or if you have much time thinking what are the other cards of your opponent is holding which I think is very rare to happen.

I don't even know how to used the mathematical probability of playing a poker cards. What i know was that you should have the smallest amount of cards in hand to be able to win the game. Well it so happen that sometimes or even always you may get a set of cards where you can't make a set of flush, royal, or straight plus and this is where you can apply your strategies and tactics to manipulate your card that's why memorizing of all of this might not useful to me.

If you think that playing poker will be hard for you, you don't have to try to play it. Learning poker is not easy because you need to know how to make a match of the card. I don't know about the poker game, so I don't play that game, but what I believe in a poker game is if you know the game better than the other people, you will have more chance to win because you can have a good card from the other player.

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Poker may be a sort of card gambling but is usually considered a skill based game betting is an important a part of all kinds of poker games and therefore the winner of every hand is decided consistent with the player's card with a minimum of a number of the hand hidden until the top of the sport. Poker games vary within the number of cards the amount of shared or community cards the amount of hidden cards the tactic of betting basically this is often what keeps a player in his game longer because he assumes that his chances of winning aren't over yet.

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Quote from: k@suy on November 24, 2020, 12:57:21 AM

Quote from: rhomelmabini on November 23, 2020, 08:44:24 PM

Quote from: just_Alice on November 23, 2020, 07:21:26 PM

Knowing these probabilities might be helpful to assess your exact chances of beating the opponent, however, I don't see much point in memorizing or copying them somewhere and keeping in sight during the game (maybe if you're a beginner). The thing is - if you're a regular player you realize all that intuitively. For instance, I never had a clue what's the probability of being dealt a pair or three of a kind, but it has always been obvious that the latter one is much cooler Cheesy

On the contrary, I think that some kind of dynamic probabilities may come in handy. I mean some kind of guides or calculators (even better) that would show you how the probabilities of holding a certain card will change depending on your decisions (especially useful when you decide whether or not to discard your cards, and if yes - which ones), because in this case, things might be less apparent. Sadly, I've never seen anything of the like.

Remember that sometimes it doesn't depends solely on the cards sometimes bluffing and other strategies do matter on most of the circumstances. I don't have to memorize all of this too but it comes in handy if you're that genius or if you have much time thinking what are the other cards of your opponent is holding which I think is very rare to happen.

I don't even know how to used the mathematical probability of playing a poker cards. What i know was that you should have the smallest amount of cards in hand to be able to win the game. Well it so happen that sometimes or even always you may get a set of cards where you can't make a set of flush, royal, or straight plus and this is where you can apply your strategies and tactics to manipulate your card that's why memorizing of all of this might not useful to me.

im not a poker player but i think that you dont need to memorize this because you cant apply it in the game , he was only showing the probability of getting those combi and probability can change too so even if you memorize it for unknown reason you may notice that the combi can come early or come late because this is gambling and the cards are being shuffled .

using tricks in poker may help you win but you wont still know if what are your opponents card and if what card is he going to throw

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on November 23, 2020, 08:44:24 PM

Quote from: just_Alice on November 23, 2020, 07:21:26 PM

Knowing these probabilities might be helpful to assess your exact chances of beating the opponent, however, I don't see much point in memorizing or copying them somewhere and keeping in sight during the game (maybe if you're a beginner). The thing is - if you're a regular player you realize all that intuitively. For instance, I never had a clue what's the probability of being dealt a pair or three of a kind, but it has always been obvious that the latter one is much cooler Cheesy

On the contrary, I think that some kind of dynamic probabilities may come in handy. I mean some kind of guides or calculators (even better) that would show you how the probabilities of holding a certain card will change depending on your decisions (especially useful when you decide whether or not to discard your cards, and if yes - which ones), because in this case, things might be less apparent. Sadly, I've never seen anything of the like.

Remember that sometimes it doesn't depends solely on the cards sometimes bluffing and other strategies do matter on most of the circumstances. I don't have to memorize all of this too but it comes in handy if you're that genius or if you have much time thinking what are the other cards of your opponent is holding which I think is very rare to happen.

I don't even know how to used the mathematical probability of playing a poker cards. What i know was that you should have the smallest amount of cards in hand to be able to win the game. Well it so happen that sometimes or even always you may get a set of cards where you can't make a set of flush, royal, or straight plus and this is where you can apply your strategies and tactics to manipulate your card that's why memorizing of all of this might not useful to me.

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Quote from: just_Alice on November 23, 2020, 07:21:26 PM

Knowing these probabilities might be helpful to assess your exact chances of beating the opponent, however, I don't see much point in memorizing or copying them somewhere and keeping in sight during the game (maybe if you're a beginner). The thing is - if you're a regular player you realize all that intuitively. For instance, I never had a clue what's the probability of being dealt a pair or three of a kind, but it has always been obvious that the latter one is much cooler Cheesy

On the contrary, I think that some kind of dynamic probabilities may come in handy. I mean some kind of guides or calculators (even better) that would show you how the probabilities of holding a certain card will change depending on your decisions (especially useful when you decide whether or not to discard your cards, and if yes - which ones), because in this case, things might be less apparent. Sadly, I've never seen anything of the like.

Remember that sometimes it doesn't depends solely on the cards sometimes bluffing and other strategies do matter on most of the circumstances. I don't have to memorize all of this too but it comes in handy if you're that genius or if you have much time thinking what are the other cards of your opponent is holding which I think is very rare to happen.

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Quote from: just_Alice on November 23, 2020, 07:21:26 PM

Knowing these probabilities might be helpful to assess your exact chances of beating the opponent, however, I don't see much point in memorizing or copying them somewhere and keeping in sight during the game (maybe if you're a beginner). The thing is - if you're a regular player you realize all that intuitively. For instance, I never had a clue what's the probability of being dealt a pair or three of a kind, but it has always been obvious that the latter one is much cooler Cheesy

On the contrary, I think that some kind of dynamic probabilities may come in handy. I mean some kind of guides or calculators (even better) that would show you how the probabilities of holding a certain card will change depending on your decisions (especially useful when you decide whether or not to discard your cards, and if yes - which ones), because in this case, things might be less apparent. Sadly, I've never seen anything of the like.

It was not my intent in the first place, I posted it here because I want to see if there are other people that might be curious behind the math that is happening when they are playing poker. I do believe too that there isn't a need to analyze it on this level. I do not think that they will allow this table to show on games because anything that has numbers and percentages are eyebrow raising, does not matter if it helps or not, it will be a problem in game. They are using this probability calculator on poker games, especially the tournament ones for the viewers to see whether the player has the advantage or not.

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Knowing these probabilities might be helpful to assess your exact chances of beating the opponent, however, I don't see much point in memorizing or copying them somewhere and keeping in sight during the game (maybe if you're a beginner). The thing is - if you're a regular player you realize all that intuitively. For instance, I never had a clue what's the probability of being dealt a pair or three of a kind, but it has always been obvious that the latter one is much cooler Cheesy

On the contrary, I think that some kind of dynamic probabilities may come in handy. I mean some kind of guides or calculators (even better) that would show you how the probabilities of holding a certain card will change depending on your decisions (especially useful when you decide whether or not to discard your cards, and if yes - which ones), because in this case, things might be less apparent. Sadly, I've never seen anything of the like.

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 20, 2020, 06:56:26 PM

I'm not really interested in which combination comes out more often and which less often. I'm more interested in why everyone discards their cards when I have 2 aces and I'm ready to go all the way.
Sometimes I think that my opponents see my cards, or everything is just easy to read on my face))

Maybe it falls on the psychology aspect of poker. Maybe you are too aggreessive in a way that players give away the hand you might have. I think that in 7 card poker this is a strategy where you fold your hand if you are not one of the blinds unless you have a really good hands. Train on your poker face and wear as much accesory like sunglasses that does not reflect or a cap to hide some minute details that might give you away.

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This is a nice summary. At least it makes it clearer for us why the hierarchy of hands. It is all about probability and frequency and therefore the odds as well. This explains why a full house is stronger than a flush or why a flush is stronger than a straight and so on. From it, you can somehow gauge your hand's winning or losing probability against your opponents' possible hands. To a certain extent, the art of bluffing in poker proves lacking when confronted with luck and proper analysis.

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Source:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability

Poker is really the most interesting gambling game in my opinion, with the exception of guessing the price of Bitcoin (joke). When I saw this topic, I thought I would find something interesting in it, but you just copied part of the article posted on Wikipedia.
I think you needed to add something else from yourself. What do you think?

Looking at the numbers I think there's nothing more to add, as I play poker on different apps, threse numbers speaks so loud in my ears, all of the chances are quite right in my opinion. Besides it doesn't matter to me as long as I can bluff my own way to winning 😅

I'm not really interested in which combination comes out more often and which less often. I'm more interested in why everyone discards their cards when I have 2 aces and I'm ready to go all the way.
Sometimes I think that my opponents see my cards, or everything is just easy to read on my face))

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on November 17, 2020, 11:02:47 PM

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Source:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability

Poker is really the most interesting gambling game in my opinion, with the exception of guessing the price of Bitcoin (joke). When I saw this topic, I thought I would find something interesting in it, but you just copied part of the article posted on Wikipedia.
I think you needed to add something else from yourself. What do you think?

Looking at the numbers I think there's nothing more to add, as I play poker on different apps, threse numbers speaks so loud in my ears, all of the chances are quite right in my opinion. Besides it doesn't matter to me as long as I can bluff my own way to winning 😅

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on November 17, 2020, 11:02:47 PM

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Source:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability

Poker is really the most interesting gambling game in my opinion, with the exception of guessing the price of Bitcoin (joke). When I saw this topic, I thought I would find something interesting in it, but you just copied part of the article posted on Wikipedia.
I think you needed to add something else from yourself. What do you think?

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Have you made any charts around opening hands and perhaps relative position.

Sort of ranges. Maybe I am not explaining t very well.

I know it still depends what everyone else does and I don't even repeat myself if I can.

The bad beats you listed, happen, but like mentioned all to often it I someone going in with k7 and they hit 3 sevens :/

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Quote from: swogerino on November 18, 2020, 03:40:03 AM

This is a great example that chances to have 4 of a kind is really low.However it shows that the more down we come like one pair or two pairs chances are generally pretty high.Beside these statements which I think everyone should copy to a notepad or word document to keep always present during poker gameplays let’s also not forget that also skill and patience also play a big role if you want to be a successful poker player.

And the water is warm, yes? Grin

You can not copy this, you can count it by yourself in your head. For example, 4 of a kind.
we have 13 denominations, How many ways we can choose one of it? Pretty obvious answer - 13 ways.
And how many ways we can choose 3 another cards of the same denomination from number of cards which left? This is binomial coefficient, C(48, 3)

And our probability will be the multiply of 13 * C(48, 3) divided by all possible combinations (this also will be binomial coefficient or combination of k sets from n set, where n = 52 and k = 5) C(52, 5).

And you will get needed probability. Looks a little complicated, but after you will handle such powerfull theory you will be able to count probabilities with more practical view, for example what a probability to get two cards of the same denomination if you already has 2 on your hands

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