Topic: Politics, statism, anarchism, racism; split from: Wall Observer thread - page 9. (Read 5403 times)

thank you
I've had some experiences with human brutality:
Witness of murder.
Witness of rape.
train suicide by brother.

It could always be worse, but I think my share is above average.

What are your experiences?

How do we want a society with no rulers to be? Unfair question, we don't know, and we don't want to know in advance, because that would be exactly what we do not want: a society planned by some rulers.

It is not to be done by a revolution. Just try with user payment, freedom, when a balance is found, sell it off. No school system can exist totally without user payment and with total regulation. The same goes for health care, roads and whatever. Just relax on the use of force, man, see what happens.

Why is it pointless to gather information on the opinions of others? If it turns out that it's the different definition of anarchy causing the dispute, then a simple clarification from the anarchists would indicate that, and we could further the discussion.

So again, somebody, enlighten us "weak statists" about what makes you big strong anarchy man.


You're ducking his real point and you know you're doing it.

It makes no difference if you're 16 or 60, the question is have you ever seen human brutality from anywhere outside of a computer screen? Have you ever witnessed it, experienced what it's like to be there, to be a victim of it? Because if you can't, then you really have no earthly idea how you would actually respond in that situation.


Uhh, you do realize I said I lack faith in humanity. It is my belief that many do not commit crimes out of fear for the law, not out of any moral obligation. Furthermore, it is my belief that if shit hits the fan, a great amount of people that didn't need to commit crimes in our current society will be willing to do anything up to and including murder to ensure their own are fed.

Is a world where you could wind up with the business end of a hammer in the back of your skull without warning a world you want to live in? Is a world where leaders are decided by how bloodthirsty they are, and power vacuums are created constantly a world you want to live in? If so, then I'd ask you the same question: how much human brutality have you experienced?

And if you truly think you're "hard" enough to survive in that environment, just remember that unless you're the hardest guy in the world, there's always someone harder.

Definitely experience levels and even age could be relevant to assessing how one comes to such ridiculous beliefs.... especially when people are making claims about free market and survival of the fittest and all those kinds of bullshit generalizations that may NOT play out in a variety of circumstances (including the real world), and this time, I had attempted to avoid getting into some of the discussions of the role of government because it seems that people frequently make some pretty out-there assertions and really fail to particularize the multifaceted existence of government.

In this regard, government screws a lot of things up, but I cannot embrace the diving into various solutions that causes us to throw out the baby with the bath water or to get rid of government without having various functional systems in place.. to replace it (if that really were some kind of meaningful objective).

Crypto Anarchy Cyberstates and Pirate Utopias. - Pete Ludlow - (Tim C May, David Brin et al)

http://monoskop.org/images/4/42/Ludlow_Peter_Crypto_Anarchy_Cyberstates_and_Pirate_Utopias.pdf


Cyphernomicon Timothy C May


http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/crypto/cypherpunks/cyphernomicon/CP-FAQ

For people interested in cryptography, and in the topics being discussed today regarding "anarchy" and society, and the state and defining and redefining the definitions of its reach and its boundaries in an ever increasing technological age, then the above is some good/interesting (essential?) background reading. 

FTFY

Fixed that for you Mr Abu Mosa

Well, sometimes, I find that people with limited experiences will sometimes make arguments that they fail to realize are naive.. but maybe 5 or 10 years later will come to realize that some of their arguments were lacking in several respects... And also sometimes with age we learn how to frame our arguments a little better in order to make them stronger b/c they are NOT filled with absolute assertions... So ultimately what I am saying is that there may be aspects of your writing that reveals your age, even though you are NOT disclosing it.

On the other hand, if you think that it is unfair that your age is being targeted, then you may want to consider ways to reframe your arguments or at least to concede on certain points until you research further into them... Sometimes a sign of fitting really into the adult world is to possibly concede a few points or maybe delay by saying that you will look into some things further.....or even to concede that some observations are beyond your current set of experiences.

More weakness. Sophistry instead of sound arguments. Your "faith in humanity" is just another variant of "but my feels!".

The world is a harsh place, and it won't get any easier with an outlook like that. Work on constructive solutions.

It's what the bible sais, you're free to belief it or not. But fact remains, no government in human history has ever done what they promised. And no government was ultimately non-corrupt.

Is anarchy the solution though? No, it's not. Only a kingdom ruled by a king that is not human will be the answer to our problems. That king is Jesus himself.

I'm not asking you to take my word for it, I'm just trying to tell you there's a third option everyone forgets about, and the government question is more important than most people realize. In fact it can decide how your life plays out in the next couple of decades.

1) actively support a human government
2) anarchy
3) actively become a citizen of gods kingdom (the option many people forget about)

Please consider returning to gods kingdom, as god is the only one who can rule over us to our own benefit. God cares about us and can provide for all our needs and he will.

I was asking because he genuinely believes that people who are murdered simply failed to be fit enough to survive. I can't imagine anyone with much experience outside of a very cushy life in the suburbs believing anything so ridiculous.

I questioned his age and whether he'd seen human brutality up close because they're both pertinent to understanding how he could hold such a belief.

Fair enough, saying I'm an adult should be enough.

That's actually very interesting, but unless those three bikers actually stop IS, they're not very relevant. IS are an example of what ends up ruling in a vacuum.

Please explain me the urgent reason to disclose my age?

Of course your age and life experiences can be relevant to shed light upon the kinds assertions that you are making; however, it could also be an ad hominem attack if your youthfulness is being used to minimize and/or patronize if you were making otherwise valid arguments/observations.

That's what I figured. You probably still live at home with your Mom don't you

You're right, Anarchy have many definitions and it is pointless to talk about something people have very different definitions.

I wish people knew some basic about discussion before talking.

My age is not relevant. It's childish to ask for it.

I make my own drones.

Sounds like something the Islamic State would say, insert a few "kill all infidels" and "death to the jews"