Topic: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? - page 6. (Read 2194 times)

I have to say - you do look a bit concerned in that photo.

No, my counter argument with sources was my counter argument. I went to bed, that's how concerned I am with your verbal fecal/vomit combo.

Thanks for the summary. I'm currently moving from Cebu to Bohol so I have a lot of other things on my mind on the moment. You could be right about Trump orchestrating a plan to exit from the government while still delivering a "V" to his supporters/fundraisers, but one thing I'm certain won't happen is a civil war. Most Americans are just too docile and placated to risk upsetting their internet and satellite cable infrastructure. Now that you can have Arby's delivered through your cell phone, I doubt most people even go outside anymore.

Since you are only capable of communicating in the form of cartoons, this is what you sound like...




Funny you talk about changing the rules when you don't like them when that is all the Democrat party has been doing since 2016, including this sham impeachment. As usual, more of this...





"“This morning, I was denied access to any and all classified documents related to impeachment. In my nearly 17 years in Congress, this is the first time that I’ve been unable to review documentation being held at the House Intel Committee. This is completely unacceptable,” Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.) said in a statement.

Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) said he tried to join the impeachment inquiry closed-door session being held on Oct. 16 but was denied access.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) gained access to an impeachment inquiry hearing on Monday but was thrown out."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/house-republicans-say-theyre-being-blocked-from-impeachment-inquiry_3118345.html


“House regulations clearly permit all House members to attend depositions,” the letter states. “You have also consistently denied the right of non-committee members to view the transcripts of depositions and interviews without specifying any authority to do so. These transcripts are committee records. Committee records are the property of the whole House and under House rules, no Member can be denied access to committee records.”

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/10/18/house-republicans-demand-democrats-release-rules-on-impeachment-inquiry-n2555022


"Rep. Gaetz, Freedom Caucus hold a 'transparency' press conference"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd8Uq-OEg1g


Don't pretend you care about rules. In your book rules are only for thee and not for me and are only to be used as a cudgel to attack your opponents, not as a means to protect the overall system which they are intended to maintain.

Almost all House and Senate committee meetings are open to anyone, period. That means you and me, not just other Congressmen. Some are closed for obvious reasons, like secrecy matters. So this is really following the protocol for classified meetings, but without any national security issues.

That's pretty weird. I grant you that the Republicans on the committees have the typical privileges of the minority party in committee operations.

Why not?

No, fuck you. This is America, not the Philippines. You keep your death squads, we will keep our due process. Speaking of death squads, your president recently just threatened the life of George Soros if he sets foot in the Philippines. I wonder why.

Looks like Trump is right on it and knows what to do.


Watch GOP Lawmakers Storm Secretive Impeachment Hearing In Capitol Basement

Do you believe this, or are you just joking or what?

I've wondered about Soros possible involvement in the current debacle, but didn't think it was possible that his group would act in so stupid a way as to create the current divisive and destructive movements as displayed currently by the Democrats.

"Watch GOP Lawmakers Storm Secretive Impeachment Hearing In Capitol Basement"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gop-lawmakers-storm-secretive-impeachment-hearing-capitol-basement-demand-transparency

Put one more vote down for SOROSSSSSS!

I think that for 98% of people anywhere civil war comes to them rather than the other way around.  I think it possible, if not likely, that the 2% could and would hit the go button, and it could happen at any time.

How Americans will react (to civil war) is pretty hard for me to judge.  The extreme interest in gun control indicates to me that some people anticipate an 'event'.  It's really the only reasonable explanation for the intense focus on what is basically a non-issue.  5G is another wildcard in 'reaction profiles' as I see it.  It is another program that has been rolled out with a very suspicious degree of frenzy...the wonderful ability to download a DVD in 4 seconds isn't really explaining things to my satisfaction.

Anyway, it's better to watch what happens in/to the U.S. from afar.  Seems to me that Malaysia is well out in front of The Philippines insofar as understanding the root cause of the evils vexing the modern planet.  I'm afraid that The Philippines would fall into the trap without ever seeing it coming.

I didn't follow you're guys tiff much, but all I hear Tech[hole] say is that if there is a danger that subpoenea could be launched by Trump as a function of his defense, a trial would be unlikely.  I'd bet money that he's right on that because every one of his attackers have skeletons buried and Trump probably knows where to start digging.

Since I 'sensed' that Trump would not be interested in a 2nd term from even before he started his first, I've been expecting an 'out' of some sort for 3 years now.  'Impeachment' would be just the ticket.  He currently could claim victory (in running the country) and most of the people who are still his supporters would eat it right up.

I'll look for yet more stagecraft where Trump slides back out of government and his mock-enemies don't have to worry about a backlash in the form of (real) subpoenas (filed in anger.)  I expect that one of the Kushners will end up at the helm.  Probably by way of Mike Pence and/or civil war.

Senate rules say they have to "take it up". However, it's very vague as to what happens to initiate a trial. There is this one short part in there that says they discuss it. It's possible I suppose they could dismiss it outright and not take it to trial. But they have to accept the articles of impeachment from the congress.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/SMAN-113/pdf/SMAN-113-pg223.pdf

Side note. The rules also show an impeachment subpoena. In the form of a letter. Go figure.

Hello Techole,

I travel a lot. Sorry I can't dedicate the entirety of my online existence to pointing out the ways in which you are wrong. But I can address this one: I never said shit about the subpoena (non) issue, so how can I be wrong about it?

I can also tell you this: sitting around playing constitutional lawyer has zero effect on the outcome of the impeachment inquiry.

Yes yes, of course. That is why you all went from 60 to zero with constant tit for tat replies within minutes to nothing, because you are much too busy, not because you don't have a leg to stand on. Of course you suddenly don't care about the issue when you are wrong! Lets look at something else now! All you have to read are 2 short documents.

A subpoena: https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/(70)%20Chaffetz%20Subpoena%20to%20Pagliano%2009-16-2016.pdf

Not a subpoena: https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/2019-09-27.EEC%20Engel%20Schiff%20%20to%20Pompeo-%20State%20re%20Document%20Subpoena.pdf

Are you going to admit you were wrong Nutilduhhhhhh?

I didn't mean to make assertions or moralize anything.  Just trying to have a discussion and figure out what the most pragmatic path to whatever is best for America would look like.

Option #3: we have a life outside this forum. I know you didn't consider that one, but its the correct answer.

Don't worry techole I'll get back to you. I don't care about the subpoena aspect BTW. And I don't have the time or desire to read your 1000 word replies when I know they are mostly snarling, emotionally-laden attacks on your critics.

I think this is more interesting:

More fucking "NO U!!!1" arguments...

How does insisting due process, historical precedence, and checks and balances be observed allow the President to "be a king"? All Pelosi has to do is call a vote. No one is stopping her, but she knows it will expose far more about them than it does Trump, because just like the Russia collusion delusion, it is all BASED ON NOTHING.

You are literally arguing for the dems not having to follow due process out of one side of your mouth while condemning me for having blind allegiance out of the other. So are you going to admit those "subpoenas" have no force of law or just more of the usual...

I've answered your assertions, no need to discuss further.

And there you have it. A bunch of hypocritical stern moralizing about how the House can break their traditional rules, but the Senate cannot.

Wrong on that, buddy.