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Quote from: AicecreaME on May 17, 2023, 07:49:17 AM

for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
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I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

No doubt that AI will be very useful in those areas you mentioned, but we can use it for many other things, in fact, for anything we like, including sports betting. It's not like it's up to us to decide in what areas AI will be used, and in what it should not be used, right? AI is like your tap water: you can use for making a meal and you can use it for watering your plants, or for taking a shower or whatever. One does not exclude the other.

One of the things people do not seem aware is that just as we can learn completely different skills, despite the fact that each one of us has a functioning brain, the same is true for an AI.

The algorithm behind different AIs can be the same but if you give to it a different set of data then it will be able to perform different functions, so even if ChatGPT is the newest and most popular function that an AI can perform, there are many other things they can do that could be as important, like recommendation systems, self-driving cars and more.

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AI can really be used in various fields. It's purpose is not solely for gambling prediction since there are numerous AIs that has proven this already. AIs can be used in programming, for business pages, for school-related activities, and many more. It will just be a little more convenient if AI can be used for predicting the game's outcome especially in sports betting that needs past and present data to arrive at an answer of percentage of winning against the other teams. Although as for me, it's still better to make it as a reference and not a sole source of information especially when it comes to decision making that involves a very important matter and money.

I think the game changer here is ChatGPT, the Chat part in particular.

Anyone can use it, by just sending a message to it, that's revolutionary. You don't need to install anything, or do anything, just send a message. That usability makes it the best AI by far, and people are using it for incredible things, that many have never even imagined originally.

The important thing to remember is that it can output absolutely false information, so you need to check the sources carefully. I think this will be the main issue of it, the spread of misinformation.

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Quote from: Betwrong on May 17, 2023, 03:00:25 AM

No doubt that AI will be very useful in those areas you mentioned, but we can use it for many other things, in fact, for anything we like, including sports betting. It's not like it's up to us to decide in what areas AI will be used, and in what it should not be used, right? AI is like your tap water: you can use for making a meal and you can use it for watering your plants, or for taking a shower or whatever. One does not exclude the other.

AI can really be used in various fields. It's purpose is not solely for gambling prediction since there are numerous AIs that has proven this already. AIs can be used in programming, for business pages, for school-related activities, and many more. It will just be a little more convenient if AI can be used for predicting the game's outcome especially in sports betting that needs past and present data to arrive at an answer of percentage of winning against the other teams. Although as for me, it's still better to make it as a reference and not a sole source of information especially when it comes to decision making that involves a very important matter and money.

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Quote from: Outhue on May 13, 2023, 05:43:08 AM

If AI is going go predict gambling outcome it will be about sports games like football and the prediction will be based on data that the AI can gather, AI is not a kind of human made god that can read the future, to me there is nothing in this world that can see the future, and if all you have to say is the word prediction then it's PREDICTION, and prediction is still uncertainty, a gamble on what may work out the way we wanted or not.

All I know is AI will be formulated to the will of humans, which means it will be limited and not given enough power like some people hoped for, the truth is the higher the capability of AI the more dangerous it will get, some noticeable people around the world are already going against it. Do not feed human data to a program ???med machine, it sounds like a joke but things can get out of our hands real quick.

I think when people think about AI they never put outsider effects into consideration. AI can obviously predict outcome of match through stats it can gather, but can it take a guess there will be earthquake that will cancel match? No. AI is capable of predicting measurable things at max level - or it will be capable of. But it cannot become all knowing God. I am actually very curious about AI usage in live sports betting. Think about AI getting direct stats from live football match. I am sure it can pick underperforming players to be replaced. Or it can guess chance of one side scoring etc.

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Quote from: slapper on April 29, 2023, 12:48:25 AM

I agree with you, it's more fun, innit, to use your own mind when making your bets. I can imagine how boring it can become to use AI all the time, especially when everyone will be using it and hence the outcome odds will be decreased to something like 1.02. I think it will be fun in the early stages, though. During the first couple of month when AI is possible to use for sports betting, it'll be fun, imo.

maybe every gambler will simultaneously try to predict using AI when the AI hype is currently underway and those who try to predict use AI because they want to get experience from something different that has never been experienced in gambling. however, eventually boredom will set in when overusing the AI and even worse when the AI's predictions are imprecise and eventually decide to make their own predictions.
until now, most gamblers still doubt AI and some are skeptical about the results shown by AI. but in essence it will be more interesting and feel curious and feel satisfied when making prediction decisions by yourself.

for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

No doubt that AI will be very useful in those areas you mentioned, but we can use it for many other things, in fact, for anything we like, including sports betting. It's not like it's up to us to decide in what areas AI will be used, and in what it should not be used, right? AI is like your tap water: you can use for making a meal and you can use it for watering your plants, or for taking a shower or whatever. One does not exclude the other.

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ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

I once made a conversation on ChatGPT and I asked who was going to win between Islam Makhachev VS Alex Pereira, because why not I am really curious about who's really going to win, and this is the exact answer the AI said to me,

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"As an AI language model, I don't have the ability to predict the outcome of a sporting event with certainty. The winner of a fight can be influenced by a number of factors, including each fighter's skills, training, physical condition, and strategy. The result can also be impacted by variables such as the referee's decisions, injuries, or other unexpected events. Ultimately, the outcome of a fight is determined by the competitors in the ring and cannot be accurately predicted beforehand"

So yeah AI wouldn't likely predict the future for sure, but predicting the outcome of a certain fight yeah the AI can not really do such a thing so he just included and lengthen the conversation by saying some stuff on the factors that may affect the fight, so in my opinion, ChatGPT or the AI can not predict certain what may happen on gambling but it can provide some explanation about it, and what may be the outcome,

It is very true, looking at it from the point of view of honesty, things are like that, I do not doubt that the AI are good and that they bring us development, maybe they will bring something better to use some tools, if you program and an AI crashes you It can help and even give a better solution, and that is not bad, but in the predictions I think that is not yet developed, it has to happen and reprogram events through which the same AI creates many Mathematical models that coincide with what happened, As far as I am concerned,the best thing for now is not to believe much in the AI, neither detectors nor accusations for now, it is very easy to do it, but the AI is not Optimized and I think that there is a long way to go,when an AI is complete that does not fit the less doubt than if they will Make predictions with a high Margin of effectiveness.

AI? It's like a spectacular, top-shelf wine – aging only improves it! Picture a toddler stumbling towards walking mastery; AI toddles towards machine sophistication. It may tumble, sure, but time and practice? You'll see a champ.

When it comes to crystal-ball-like forecasts, AI's potential? Huge. It devours data daily, refining predictions with laser precision. Give AI a mystic's crystal ball, and bam! An omniscient techno-oracle arises.

But hey, AI isn't a flawless deity. Combine it with other strategies, scrutinize its accuracy. And who knows? Maybe we'll genuflect before our AI rulers someday!

You are absolutely right, many people are even afraid of dealing with AI, because they have so much potential that it is scary, but this is something normal, I don't see it as a bad thing, personally I would think that in some 1 or 2 years the AI it will be much more advanced, and that will provide much more tools for some things, it is logical that some will use it for lotteries,casinos, among others, there must be some limitations to avoid this type of thing, what I can say is that the Casinos must acquire a lot of security via AI, it is imperative that it be done.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 13, 2023, 07:09:54 AM

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Quote from: Casdinyard on May 13, 2023, 05:31:27 PM

for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

I don't know if AI will be able to generate passive income without much work for people because we still don't know what the future of AI will be like. Maybe AI can work as well as we expect in the future but that certainly requires a lot of work from the developers. Besides that, much coding is still needed to use AI properly to get more valid information. Of course, it also requires a lot of experimentation before such technology is released to the public.

Yeah, there are lots of experimentations a trial and error to test if how good and accurate AI can be, though in gambling accuracy is something that we really can't measure, the influences of many factors can change the directions of the possible outcome, AI may recommend something according to how he assess the players or the teams but there are instances like injuries and inside game rules
that might be broken.

So the outcome may not be the expected since AI provides data according to how he assesses the game before it started.

If AI could obtain historical data from all teams, AI would know which players from the team had experienced injuries and could calculate the appearance percentage of each player. That will give us clues in determining the team we will bet on. Apart from that, we can find out other things through data collected by the AI, which will be additional information for us in choosing a team. The developers need to do this experiment, and maybe a few people will be brought in to help with the testing.

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~snip~ If we’re talking about predictions, well we can’t really count on AI for something right now. The sole fact that even ChatGPT runs on a version of the internet from 2 years ago with all its pretty outdated. This renders all forms of prediction that involves AI moot, and nothing but a novelty to showcase that “AI is here”. If you’ll read OP’s post by the way it literally talks about him asking AI for bet predictions on a football game. Which have been made by someone and then proceeded but what I could only assume, is an unholy helping of sensationalized media. Anywho, as scary as Skynet, it’s nothing to be wary of as of the moment. No one’s getting replaced hy AIA or whatever.

Yes, but that doesn't stop someone from training an AI specifically for predicting sports results, and is fed real time data from all sports in the world.

That AI might be already out there making predictions. For years we have had machines telling us odds of sports, calculated from previous data.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 13, 2023, 07:09:54 AM

Yeah, there are lots of experimentations a trial and error to test if how good and accurate AI can be, though in gambling accuracy is something that we really can't measure, the influences of many factors can change the directions of the possible outcome, AI may recommend something according to how he assess the players or the teams but there are instances like injuries and inside game rules
that might be broken.

So the outcome may not be the expected since AI provides data according to how he assesses the game before it started.

If we’re talking about predictions, well we can’t really count on AI for something right now. The sole fact that even ChatGPT runs on a version of the internet from 2 years ago with all its pretty outdated. This renders all forms of prediction that involves AI moot, and nothing but a novelty to showcase that “AI is here”. If you’ll read OP’s post by the way it literally talks about him asking AI for bet predictions on a football game. Which have been made by someone and then proceeded but what I could only assume, is an unholy helping of sensationalized media. Anywho, as scary as Skynet, it’s nothing to be wary of as of the moment. No one’s getting replaced hy AIA or whatever.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 13, 2023, 01:55:58 AM

for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

I don't know if AI will be able to generate passive income without much work for people because we still don't know what the future of AI will be like. Maybe AI can work as well as we expect in the future but that certainly requires a lot of work from the developers. Besides that, much coding is still needed to use AI properly to get more valid information. Of course, it also requires a lot of experimentation before such technology is released to the public.

Yeah, there are lots of experimentations a trial and error to test if how good and accurate AI can be, though in gambling accuracy is something that we really can't measure, the influences of many factors can change the directions of the possible outcome, AI may recommend something according to how he assess the players or the teams but there are instances like injuries and inside game rules
that might be broken.

So the outcome may not be the expected since AI provides data according to how he assesses the game before it started.

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If AI is going go predict gambling outcome it will be about sports games like football and the prediction will be based on data that the AI can gather, AI is not a kind of human made god that can read the future, to me there is nothing in this world that can see the future, and if all you have to say is the word prediction then it's PREDICTION, and prediction is still uncertainty, a gamble on what may work out the way we wanted or not.

All I know is AI will be formulated to the will of humans, which means it will be limited and not given enough power like some people hoped for, the truth is the higher the capability of AI the more dangerous it will get, some noticeable people around the world are already going against it. Do not feed human data to a program ???med machine, it sounds like a joke but things can get out of our hands real quick.

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for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

I don't know if AI will be able to generate passive income without much work for people because we still don't know what the future of AI will be like. Maybe AI can work as well as we expect in the future but that certainly requires a lot of work from the developers. Besides that, much coding is still needed to use AI properly to get more valid information. Of course, it also requires a lot of experimentation before such technology is released to the public.

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chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

At the end of the day what matters is if you can provide something that is valuable for other people.

If you can do that with the help of AI then you have a way to make money.

If what you do is simply a low effort move that everyone else is doing, then you won't make any money.

It's similar to spamming really.

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Quote from: FanEagle on May 11, 2023, 02:12:41 AM

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for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

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I think the hype for "AI" hasn't even started because there is no AI, all of these are machine learning programs. Something much better will come out in the future and when that happens, when the real AI that thinks for itself and considers and so forth, a real robot, something basically magical, that will make everyone's jaws drop.

Those things will be able to check the data and figure out what would be possible to fix the whole world, that' literally the way. Like for example we could have enough money in the world and enough resources to feed everyone, shelter everyone, cloth everyone and at the same time have wealthy people all at the same time, AI will tell you that, it is mathematically possible and not done right now for human greed. That's AI, this isn't.

What you are describing is probably the dream of everyone that is part of that industry, a hard AI which can learn any topic, combine them at will and evolve, however I really think that if at some point we were able to develop such an AI politicians and other powerful people will forbid it, as they will lose a great deal of their power if an unbiased AI could take decisions about the development of the human race.

So it is possible the machine learning algorithms that we are seeing right now are at the very top of what we will ever see when it comes to AI.

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I agree with you, it's more fun, innit, to use your own mind when making your bets. I can imagine how boring it can become to use AI all the time, especially when everyone will be using it and hence the outcome odds will be decreased to something like 1.02. I think it will be fun in the early stages, though. During the first couple of month when AI is possible to use for sports betting, it'll be fun, imo.

maybe every gambler will simultaneously try to predict using AI when the AI hype is currently underway and those who try to predict use AI because they want to get experience from something different that has never been experienced in gambling. however, eventually boredom will set in when overusing the AI and even worse when the AI's predictions are imprecise and eventually decide to make their own predictions.
until now, most gamblers still doubt AI and some are skeptical about the results shown by AI. but in essence it will be more interesting and feel curious and feel satisfied when making prediction decisions by yourself.

Different people/gambler have different views and understanding in regard to usages of AI, I can see your point and following that statement there's a chance that those people who will support and use AI will find the interest and will keep taking the advantage of what AI can bring, though there's no assurance and guarantee that whatever AI will provide is just an idea and you still in control of what decision you may take in placing your bet/s.

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I agree with you, it's more fun, innit, to use your own mind when making your bets. I can imagine how boring it can become to use AI all the time, especially when everyone will be using it and hence the outcome odds will be decreased to something like 1.02. I think it will be fun in the early stages, though. During the first couple of month when AI is possible to use for sports betting, it'll be fun, imo.

maybe every gambler will simultaneously try to predict using AI when the AI hype is currently underway and those who try to predict use AI because they want to get experience from something different that has never been experienced in gambling. however, eventually boredom will set in when overusing the AI and even worse when the AI's predictions are imprecise and eventually decide to make their own predictions.
until now, most gamblers still doubt AI and some are skeptical about the results shown by AI. but in essence it will be more interesting and feel curious and feel satisfied when making prediction decisions by yourself.

I think the hype for "AI" hasn't even started because there is no AI, all of these are machine learning programs. Something much better will come out in the future and when that happens, when the real AI that thinks for itself and considers and so forth, a real robot, something basically magical, that will make everyone's jaws drop.

Those things will be able to check the data and figure out what would be possible to fix the whole world, that' literally the way. Like for example we could have enough money in the world and enough resources to feed everyone, shelter everyone, cloth everyone and at the same time have wealthy people all at the same time, AI will tell you that, it is mathematically possible and not done right now for human greed. That's AI, this isn't.

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