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hero member
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June 28, 2023, 10:13:47 PM
IMO, rather than the gamblers, AI will be more useful for sportsbooks to accurately place their odds. I have been gambling on different sports events for more than a decade now, and time to time I come across some really strange odds that doesn't make any sense. Usage of AI will remove any human error in determining these odds. But then, you can only improvise to a certain extent. You can get the odds as accurate as possible, by feeding all the available information. But then there will always be an unexpected result that will put these sportsbooks in deep red.

I agree with this, AI system can be more useful for the casino owners/bookies, they can utilize the used of AI in placing the right odds selections, though I also understand that human error but it might just be a part of a trick where bookies are alluring bettors as we really can't tell what will be the outcome of the game that we are placing our bets.

We might see how it will work from both sides. Maximizing AI's capability is something that both gamblers and bookies will utilize for their own benefits.
Both parties will try to take advantage of it but most likely the casinos are going to be the big winners in all of this, when computers were developed and became portable enough casinos forbid the use of computers on their games, while they could use them as much as they wanted, and now most slot machines are nothing but a modified computer.

So I expect the same to happen with AI, basically they will forbid its use for their customers but casinos will be able to freely use it and obtain an edge in this way.
legendary
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June 28, 2023, 05:57:44 AM
IMO, rather than the gamblers, AI will be more useful for sportsbooks to accurately place their odds. I have been gambling on different sports events for more than a decade now, and time to time I come across some really strange odds that doesn't make any sense. Usage of AI will remove any human error in determining these odds. But then, you can only improvise to a certain extent. You can get the odds as accurate as possible, by feeding all the available information. But then there will always be an unexpected result that will put these sportsbooks in deep red.

I agree with this, AI system can be more useful for the casino owners/bookies, they can utilize the used of AI in placing the right odds selections, though I also understand that human error but it might just be a part of a trick where bookies are alluring bettors as we really can't tell what will be the outcome of the game that we are placing our bets.

We might see how it will work from both sides. Maximizing AI's capability is something that both gamblers and bookies will utilize for their own benefits.
hero member
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June 28, 2023, 01:15:01 AM
IMO, rather than the gamblers, AI will be more useful for sportsbooks to accurately place their odds. I have been gambling on different sports events for more than a decade now, and time to time I come across some really strange odds that doesn't make any sense. Usage of AI will remove any human error in determining these odds. But then, you can only improvise to a certain extent. You can get the odds as accurate as possible, by feeding all the available information. But then there will always be an unexpected result that will put these sportsbooks in deep red.

Why must we totally dependson AI i gambling irrespective of the games or sports it's been applicable to, i may not go against this decision anyway as long as the gambling platforms aren't against it's use moreover the AI results were not always accurate, they are nothing than just an ordinary guess and try of luck but i wonder why many have so depends on using them to gamble thinking everything they offer are accurate enough.
hero member
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June 28, 2023, 01:06:27 AM
IMO, rather than the gamblers, AI will be more useful for sportsbooks to accurately place their odds. I have been gambling on different sports events for more than a decade now, and time to time I come across some really strange odds that doesn't make any sense. Usage of AI will remove any human error in determining these odds. But then, you can only improvise to a certain extent. You can get the odds as accurate as possible, by feeding all the available information. But then there will always be an unexpected result that will put these sportsbooks in deep red.

In my mind they are two very similar things.

One is the usage of AI to estimate the odds for the casinos, and the other is as a gambler calculate the odds and compare them with the published ones to find something interesting.

In the end, this could end up in something like the 2010 flash crash with high frequency traders.
legendary
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June 27, 2023, 11:33:06 PM
IMO, rather than the gamblers, AI will be more useful for sportsbooks to accurately place their odds. I have been gambling on different sports events for more than a decade now, and time to time I come across some really strange odds that doesn't make any sense. Usage of AI will remove any human error in determining these odds. But then, you can only improvise to a certain extent. You can get the odds as accurate as possible, by feeding all the available information. But then there will always be an unexpected result that will put these sportsbooks in deep red.
hero member
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Rollbit
June 27, 2023, 07:04:14 PM
I still haven't found anyone using AI like this but I'm sure people must be doing it.  Is anyone aware of any reddit posts or other places that people may be discussing different prompts they are using to try and do this sort of gambling?  I'm very tempted to do some sort of thread documenting the success of AI in gambling decisions, but so far I haven't found a good method to do so.  Hopefully I get it figured out before the NBA season starts again.  It would be cool to start doing some fun stuff with AI when that time rolls around again.

When you finally get this can you post it on another thread to see how effective AI prediction is?
However, I think there could be a separate software purely intended for sports prediction that collects data from the internet related with the certain sport like injury, rotation, and changes in roster updates for the AI to come up with it's own prediction. It's like a one stop shop for sports bettors to see the overall update for the teams you're most interested in betting LOL.
donator
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June 27, 2023, 06:36:11 PM
I still haven't found anyone using AI like this but I'm sure people must be doing it.  Is anyone aware of any reddit posts or other places that people may be discussing different prompts they are using to try and do this sort of gambling?  I'm very tempted to do some sort of thread documenting the success of AI in gambling decisions, but so far I haven't found a good method to do so.  Hopefully I get it figured out before the NBA season starts again.  It would be cool to start doing some fun stuff with AI when that time rolls around again.
legendary
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June 27, 2023, 06:07:54 PM
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And just the same, even it's 99% the remaining percentage can still bring you to lose your bet, remember it's gambling and there are many things that will influence the potential outcome, I see the point where it can be developed and it can find more information but the accuracy especially when dealing in gambling, it's something that only luck can accurately dictate your winning chance.
in the end, from 99% there is still 1% luck left. as we saw when Barcelona played against Celta but Barcelona ended up losing, right?
well, this is an obvious case and maybe if using AI to predict the match AI will favor Barcelona because it is clear that the top team already has the perfect strength to beat Celta but luck of surprise and luck is always present in every sporting match.
so everything still depends on luck just like you said.
While those results happen from time to time it is not common and even casinos can suffer huge losses if someone was crazy enough to take a huge bet on favor of the underdog at the time.

So it is natural that even an AI will struggle to identify and accurately predict those results, still if given enough information about a particular sport and guiding the model in a very careful way I think it should be possible to produce an AI which could predict outcomes with enough accuracy to produce profits.

their profit margin is so high that losing once in a while wouldn't be a problem, probably.
even if they're losing millions, I'd expect online casinos to have an emergency reserve in cases of these issues.
legendary
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June 27, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
That last statement of yours really weight into a value, there's no predetermined outcome unless it's a part of game fixing, but in a real setting of the game only past performance is available which AI can provide, the impact of any other factors can't be decided as there are things that gambler needed to consider before placing bets, things that manual research and manual assessment are needed in order to pick the right game and right team/player to bet along.
The biggest advantage that an AI has is that compared to a human an AI could get better at picking the winners and picking good odds at all sports, while this is something impossible for a human as our time and our energy is limited, so even if an AI cannot predict every single outcome it could get you access to the very best bets and the very best opportunities to get a win, giving to whoever created such an AI a tremendous advantage over any other gambler out there.
hero member
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June 27, 2023, 01:17:16 PM
Casino is a business and they surely have more money to invest in using AI to make sure that gamblers will not have that edge against them, they will not allow anyone to make them as a cash cow or else we will see more gambling business to close and we should expect that there are many successful gamblers to make millions out from this system..

Just a scenario if only AI technology will learn it and make an accurate prediction. Though I'm not closing the possibility but I also follow this statement that it's a business and business will find ways to counter the advantage.
There is no doubt that casinos will look for the latest technology that can be implemented in their places of business to prevent fraud. Casinos will not let those crooked gamblers win and take the casino's profits and will be even more careful in overseeing their business. And supported by their resources, they have a security team that is quite good at guarding the casino.

gambler AI competition with gambling AI? Cheesy
a little ridiculous but this is not what I mean but every casino has a security system and they will always improve the security system by all means to avoid any loss on the gambling platform.
so that there is no competition between gamblers and gambling owners, it's just that gambling has an obligation to continue to improve system security.

so there is no other way even though AI is continuously developed but still casinos always have stronger and smarter security.
It's ridiculous, but it might happen in the future. With the potential for even better technological advances in the future, it could happen so that what we have never imagined will happen. I also can't imagine what will happen, but the technology now with us will improve greatly. And yes, I agree that casinos will also evolve and have stronger and better security, but that doesn't stop gamblers who want to cheat from finding other ways to win from the casino.

When it comes to casinos, I can assure you that AIs don't have any privilege to worry about, just like the manual, some might win at times yet this is not a threat to the house because it's normal that you win at times, which doesn't stop the fact that you might lose many times after. But when it comes to sportsbooks, AIs can work more in helping one to quickly get it done, this is even those that know nothing about the sport but knows how to risk lower and manage their bets well with AI understanding.

Still, this is not a significant threat to the industry because AIs are no-god, the outcomes of sports are not predetermined, and one can only get to speculate through past reviews and connect feats.
It's normal if we win, but if we win in a row and in a large amount, the casino will suspect it and investigate what happened. And if it was caused by cheating committed by a gambler, the casino will take action immediately by blocking his account so he can't withdraw his winnings.

And with the help of artificial intelligence, which can collect more data than we can, it can provide information that we might not find so that we can get even more information. With AI, gamblers can analyze in a short time because they can get the data in a short time.
legendary
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June 27, 2023, 03:17:58 AM
beyond this, the only evaluation that an AI can make is of the statistical type, it fits
but you could have done it before
perhaps now the advantage is that the complexity is hidden by a prompt, knowing which one it is obviously, because it is not really immediate
legendary
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June 26, 2023, 07:35:31 AM
But I don't think AI technology has yet reached that stage and is still being developed, so we are still looking for more information or there is already technology that can provide accurate predictions about matches. Indeed, using AI can provide a higher percentage because calculations from AI can be more accurate than we do, but we should not make decisions based solely on information from AI. But if we talk about the luck we can get, AI is having trouble knowing when that luck is coming.
Casinos most likely have it, or at least their odds providers do so, after all with the huge amount of events and bets they offer it is impossible this is calculated by humans so some sort of AI must be able to do this, which is why some professional gamblers have noticed that is getting harder and harder to beat the casinos as the algorithms behind their AI is improving every single day.

Still if at some point that technology fell on the hands of gamblers they could fight fire with fire and find more easily odds in which the AI could have made a mistake.
Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.
When it comes to casinos, I can assure you that AIs don't have any privilege to worry about, just like the manual, some might win at times yet this is not a threat to the house because it's normal that you win at times, which doesn't stop the fact that you might lose many times after. But when it comes to sportsbooks, AIs can work more in helping one to quickly get it done, this is even those that know nothing about the sport but knows how to risk lower and manage their bets well with AI understanding.

Still, this is not a significant threat to the industry because AIs are no-god, the outcomes of sports are not predetermined, and one can only get to speculate through past reviews and connect feats.

That last statement of yours really weight into a value, there's no predetermined outcome unless it's a part of game fixing, but in a real setting of the game only past performance is available which AI can provide, the impact of any other factors can't be decided as there are things that gambler needed to consider before placing bets, things that manual research and manual assessment are needed in order to pick the right game and right team/player to bet along.
legendary
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I stand with Ukraine.
June 26, 2023, 04:45:44 AM
ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are?  Any other thoughts?

sorry I make bets for fun and not for profit
but your topic interests me a lot
how would you use AI to make bet guesses?
I don't understand which prompt you used for chatgpt and I would like to know if you used it and which one it is
maybe tell me in private if you don't want to publish it here

in case: i dont know any prompt for ask guessing bet to chatgpt

Right now you can't use ChatGPT to predict the result of the upcoming game. This is so because the AI doesn't have real-time information



But in the future, and I hope it's a near future, it will be all about the right promt. And it won't be necessary to write it each time afresh. 90% of it will be possible to use unchanged.
hero member
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June 23, 2023, 06:16:51 AM
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That's true because a casino is a business run by a casino owner and his team. They definitely don't want to see what they've made unprofitable because of the AI. They will find ways to keep gamblers from winning, and casinos will also use AI technology to keep making profits. And it will be such a competition between the AI of gamblers and the AI of the casino that the gambling business will probably be even more advanced from now on. We can only play gambling as usual and hope we can win some money in a few rounds.
gambler AI competition with gambling AI? Cheesy
a little ridiculous but this is not what I mean but every casino has a security system and they will always improve the security system by all means to avoid any loss on the gambling platform.
so that there is no competition between gamblers and gambling owners, it's just that gambling has an obligation to continue to improve system security.

so there is no other way even though AI is continuously developed but still casinos always have stronger and smarter security.
Your outlook seems to lack depth. There's an unmistakable standoff between the AI for punters and the protective AI of casinos. In this digital duel, the punters' AI, perpetually pushing boundaries, incentivizes casinos to fortify their defenses.

Claiming casinos will forever have superior security might be overstating. The relentless evolution of AI can challenge even the most fortified casino safeguards. The explosive growth rate of AI leaves even the sharpest among us struggling to keep pace.

Hence, theres a riveting rivalry, albeit subtle, between the punter' AI and the casino' AI, making this a captivating technological tussle rather than one-sided evolution.
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June 23, 2023, 05:47:32 AM
But I don't think AI technology has yet reached that stage and is still being developed, so we are still looking for more information or there is already technology that can provide accurate predictions about matches. Indeed, using AI can provide a higher percentage because calculations from AI can be more accurate than we do, but we should not make decisions based solely on information from AI. But if we talk about the luck we can get, AI is having trouble knowing when that luck is coming.
Casinos most likely have it, or at least their odds providers do so, after all with the huge amount of events and bets they offer it is impossible this is calculated by humans so some sort of AI must be able to do this, which is why some professional gamblers have noticed that is getting harder and harder to beat the casinos as the algorithms behind their AI is improving every single day.

Still if at some point that technology fell on the hands of gamblers they could fight fire with fire and find more easily odds in which the AI could have made a mistake.
Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.
When it comes to casinos, I can assure you that AIs don't have any privilege to worry about, just like the manual, some might win at times yet this is not a threat to the house because it's normal that you win at times, which doesn't stop the fact that you might lose many times after. But when it comes to sportsbooks, AIs can work more in helping one to quickly get it done, this is even those that know nothing about the sport but knows how to risk lower and manage their bets well with AI understanding.

Still, this is not a significant threat to the industry because AIs are no-god, the outcomes of sports are not predetermined, and one can only get to speculate through past reviews and connect feats.
legendary
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June 23, 2023, 03:24:21 AM
ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are?  Any other thoughts?

sorry I make bets for fun and not for profit
but your topic interests me a lot
how would you use AI to make bet guesses?
I don't understand which prompt you used for chatgpt and I would like to know if you used it and which one it is
maybe tell me in private if you don't want to publish it here

in case: i dont know any prompt for ask guessing bet to chatgpt
hero member
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June 23, 2023, 02:43:51 AM
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That's true because a casino is a business run by a casino owner and his team. They definitely don't want to see what they've made unprofitable because of the AI. They will find ways to keep gamblers from winning, and casinos will also use AI technology to keep making profits. And it will be such a competition between the AI of gamblers and the AI of the casino that the gambling business will probably be even more advanced from now on. We can only play gambling as usual and hope we can win some money in a few rounds.
gambler AI competition with gambling AI? Cheesy
a little ridiculous but this is not what I mean but every casino has a security system and they will always improve the security system by all means to avoid any loss on the gambling platform.
so that there is no competition between gamblers and gambling owners, it's just that gambling has an obligation to continue to improve system security.

so there is no other way even though AI is continuously developed but still casinos always have stronger and smarter security.
hero member
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June 22, 2023, 09:01:19 PM
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Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.
don't worry the casino will be smarter than the gambler.
I mean whatever dares to compete with the casino or wants to beat the casino, of course the casino already has a way to prevent this problem from happening.
so there is no way to beat the casino using AI or to take advantage of the casino using AI even though AI has been developed more perfect but the casino will be more perfect with an anti AI system.
And even if for some reason a gambler was able to develop a better AI than the one the casinos may have on the future, the only thing they need to do to disrupt the dreams of those gamblers of becoming rich with their invention is to add a rule which specifically forbids the use of AI to beat them.

So even if a gambler beats the casino this way their withdrawal can be denied based on the TOS of the casino, and with such a simple move all their effort will be wasted as they will fail to obtain any profits out of their AI.
legendary
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June 22, 2023, 08:10:28 AM
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Casinos will also have it in the future when AI is widely used, and gamblers have also started using it to increase their winning chances. So casinos must be careful in anticipating this by looking for solutions to beat gamblers who use AI. Casinos can still beat gamblers who don't use AI or who don't know how to operate AI. But the casinos will surely have a hard time beating gamblers who understand how AI works because those gamblers really know how to figure out how to win. We may see that the competition between casinos and gamblers for wins will be tougher. So let's just wait.
don't worry the casino will be smarter than the gambler.
I mean whatever dares to compete with the casino or wants to beat the casino, of course the casino already has a way to prevent this problem from happening.
so there is no way to beat the casino using AI or to take advantage of the casino using AI even though AI has been developed more perfect but the casino will be more perfect with an anti AI system.
That's true because a casino is a business run by a casino owner and his team. They definitely don't want to see what they've made unprofitable because of the AI. They will find ways to keep gamblers from winning, and casinos will also use AI technology to keep making profits. And it will be such a competition between the AI of gamblers and the AI of the casino that the gambling business will probably be even more advanced from now on. We can only play gambling as usual and hope we can win some money in a few rounds.

Casino is a business and they surely have more money to invest in using AI to make sure that gamblers will not have that edge against them, they will not allow anyone to make them as a cash cow or else we will see more gambling business to close and we should expect that there are many successful gamblers to make millions out from this system..

Just a scenario if only AI technology will learn it and make an accurate prediction. Though I'm not closing the possibility but I also follow this statement that it's a business and business will find ways to counter the advantage.
legendary
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June 21, 2023, 03:17:46 PM
~snip~
In fact, I don't see anything interesting even in the game of people - now everyone knows the mathematical basis of poker, and even if they don't know it, they know the algorithms - when to raise, when to bluff, etc. Professional poker is a sad thing, I don't know who is following this and looking for some "hidden meanings and skills of the players".

It's a bit like financial services. Some of them get it right some of the time and get lots of attention. Then they get it wrong and people forget about them, until someone else gets it right a few times, etc.

It's basically how random events work. You cannot predict exactly what card will come up next, in the same way that you cannot predict exactly what shares will go up or down.

But since many people are guessing all the time, some will get it right some of the time.

Maybe these things have something in common, but I think more about mathematics. And in the first and second cases, there is no importance that someone guessed the card or the direction of price movement. The most important thing is not one-time successes, but the correct systematic actions - if you do them, then you will be in the black at a distance. This also applies to financial markets and poker games. Since the game of poker is quite simple, it is very dull to watch it.
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