[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes - page 45.

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Quote from: 348Judah on February 08, 2023, 01:02:57 PM

I agree with you, there's no tangible and a convincing evidence that using AI to gamble is as accurate as expected or can be reliable as ever thought, remember it was created by some expert which had already run a program on the way it should operate a d i believe it wouldn't be vested on one side than the other which means you can't expect it to work against the casinos and in favour of the gambling on a steady and continuous process, it's reliability is not perfectly hundred percent accurate and many would not prefer it than using their own intellect to gamble in most cases.

Maybe there is no conclusive proof because AI technology is still in development and we also don't know what kind of AI will be launched later. But of course, if AI can provide benefits that can provide accurate data, AI can help gamblers choose a team that has the potential to win as a bet.

Indeed, some don't like AI and some like AI and that's only natural. But if AI can help human life, not only in terms of gambling but in almost everything, many people will like it because AI will assist their lives.

On this point, I couldn't be more in agreement with you. In recent years, artificial intelligence has made tremendous strides, and the range of possible uses for this technology is almost infinite. AI has been having a significant influence on our lives in a variety of ways, including the automation of repetitive jobs, the provision of important insights, and the analysis of data. And the gambling business is not an exception to this rule.

For instance, I've heard of AI systems that do data analysis and make quite accurate predictions on the results of sports matches. Many gamblers, especially those who want to place educated bets, will find this to be a game-changer. Imagine being able to improve the judgments you make, enhance the amount you win, and avoid making expensive blunders all due to artificial intelligence.

Having said that, I am aware that there are certain individuals who have reservations about AI. It's possible that some people may think that it ruins the enjoyment of the game or that it's just not fair. If, however, we approach artificial intelligence with an open mind, I think that we will be able to realize the numerous advantages that it offers. After all, AI is merely a tool, and it's up to us to choose how we put it to work.

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Quote from: 348Judah on February 08, 2023, 01:02:57 PM

I agree with you, there's no tangible and a convincing evidence that using AI to gamble is as accurate as expected or can be reliable as ever thought, remember it was created by some expert which had already run a program on the way it should operate a d i believe it wouldn't be vested on one side than the other which means you can't expect it to work against the casinos and in favour of the gambling on a steady and continuous process, it's reliability is not perfectly hundred percent accurate and many would not prefer it than using their own intellect to gamble in most cases.

Maybe there is no conclusive proof because AI technology is still in development and we also don't know what kind of AI will be launched later. But of course, if AI can provide benefits that can provide accurate data, AI can help gamblers choose a team that has the potential to win as a bet.

Indeed, some don't like AI and some like AI and that's only natural. But if AI can help human life, not only in terms of gambling but in almost everything, many people will like it because AI will assist their lives.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on February 08, 2023, 03:45:51 PM

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That is for sure. artificial intelligence technology, it is impossible to predict the outcome of a match precisely and accurately. maybe, if only to seek information from the two teams that will compete. we can use AI as a tool, or practical and easy reference. however, not to predict the outcome of a match. why, the fact is that in a match the team that is superior doesn't always win every match. and don't we already have a lot of experience, related to a match result.

To be honest, I never even tried Al. so I don't know how Al works, let alone a prediction. but certainly, in sports matches, especially football. there is no such thing as an absolute prediction, it all depends on how the two teams play the match. related to a result, it is the consistent team that can come out victorious regardless of the depth of the players of the competing team. the rest, let luck decide.

That is true, in the sense that the actual match outcome is going to be random.

But, still there is some probabilities involved.

Let's say that we're going to bet in a football match between Brazil and San Marino.

You can see that it's the best against the worst: https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

Of course the odds are going to be in favor of Brazil, but there's always a tiny chance that they end up tied or Brazil makes an own goal or whatever.

Those kind of odds can be easily calculated by an AI, just like a human could do.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on February 08, 2023, 12:15:23 PM

I don't think AI can predict the sports perfectly. By the way, is there any data available to check if AI really helping in this prediction thing ?

I know everyone will have their point of view on this but if we have some data to back our opinions, it will help us reach the conclusion. The Poll make us know about the majority of the people's understanding but may not predict the real reality.

That is for sure. artificial intelligence technology, it is impossible to predict the outcome of a match precisely and accurately. maybe, if only to seek information from the two teams that will compete. we can use AI as a tool, or practical and easy reference. however, not to predict the outcome of a match. why, the fact is that in a match the team that is superior doesn't always win every match. and don't we already have a lot of experience, related to a match result.

To be honest, I never even tried Al. so I don't know how Al works, let alone a prediction. but certainly, in sports matches, especially football. there is no such thing as an absolute prediction, it all depends on how the two teams play the match. related to a result, it is the consistent team that can come out victorious regardless of the depth of the players of the competing team. the rest, let luck decide.

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Quote from: 348Judah on February 08, 2023, 01:02:57 PM

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Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

Maybe, but the main issue that I see is that AI can create false facts that appear quite legit to the casual reader.

Then, something false gets posted in say wikipedia, and then a big newspaper picks that up, etc. You end up without being able to trust anyone.

AFAIK it is not giving any false facts, its just a program that collect information from the multiple sources and try to come up with better one, ofcourse it may happened in the past but the same won't repeat everytime so its impossible to predict the future outcomes with 100% accuracy.

I don't think AI can predict the sports perfectly. By the way, is there any data available to check if AI really helping in this prediction thing ?

I know everyone will have their point of view on this but if we have some data to back our opinions, it will help us reach the conclusion. The Poll make us know about the majority of the people's understanding but may not predict the real reality.

I agree with you, there's no tangible and a convincing evidence that using AI to gamble is as accurate as expected or can be reliable as ever thought, remember it was created by some expert which had already run a program on the way it should operate a d i believe it wouldn't be vested on one side than the other which means you can't expect it to work against the casinos and in favour of the gambling on a steady and continuous process, it's reliability is not perfectly hundred percent accurate and many would not prefer it than using their own intellect to gamble in most cases.

Even if it was effective then we do really think that gambling companies or owners wouldn't be finding a way on getting rid of this AI if ever it was really that effective? This isnt really that something
realistic i would say on which there's no way an AI could be able to predict precisely on what are the things that could happen in the future or something that deals on being speculative.
Even if it do knows when it comes to stats or something but we do know that it wont really be that accurate to mind off with those numbers.
Its never been that ideal or suggestable on doing so.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on February 08, 2023, 12:15:23 PM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on February 08, 2023, 12:10:49 PM

Quote from: nullama on February 07, 2023, 03:50:04 AM

Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

Maybe, but the main issue that I see is that AI can create false facts that appear quite legit to the casual reader.

Then, something false gets posted in say wikipedia, and then a big newspaper picks that up, etc. You end up without being able to trust anyone.

AFAIK it is not giving any false facts, its just a program that collect information from the multiple sources and try to come up with better one, ofcourse it may happened in the past but the same won't repeat everytime so its impossible to predict the future outcomes with 100% accuracy.

I don't think AI can predict the sports perfectly. By the way, is there any data available to check if AI really helping in this prediction thing ?

I know everyone will have their point of view on this but if we have some data to back our opinions, it will help us reach the conclusion. The Poll make us know about the majority of the people's understanding but may not predict the real reality.

I agree with you, there's no tangible and a convincing evidence that using AI to gamble is as accurate as expected or can be reliable as ever thought, remember it was created by some expert which had already run a program on the way it should operate a d i believe it wouldn't be vested on one side than the other which means you can't expect it to work against the casinos and in favour of the gambling on a steady and continuous process, it's reliability is not perfectly hundred percent accurate and many would not prefer it than using their own intellect to gamble in most cases.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on February 08, 2023, 12:15:23 PM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on February 08, 2023, 12:10:49 PM

Quote from: nullama on February 07, 2023, 03:50:04 AM

Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

Maybe, but the main issue that I see is that AI can create false facts that appear quite legit to the casual reader.

Then, something false gets posted in say wikipedia, and then a big newspaper picks that up, etc. You end up without being able to trust anyone.

AFAIK it is not giving any false facts, its just a program that collect information from the multiple sources and try to come up with better one, ofcourse it may happened in the past but the same won't repeat everytime so its impossible to predict the future outcomes with 100% accuracy.

I don't think AI can predict the sports perfectly. By the way, is there any data available to check if AI really helping in this prediction thing ?

I know everyone will have their point of view on this but if we have some data to back our opinions, it will help us reach the conclusion. The Poll make us know about the majority of the people's understanding but may not predict the real reality.

AIs can't predict the future, therefore they can't come with accurate results. What AIs can do is the same calculations sportsbooks do to balance the odds of a bet, that is, to find the favorite and the underdog of a match.

If you follow AIs, you are always going to bet on the favorite, because that is the most logical scenario and AIs totally work based on logics.

However, favorite teams or athletes can also lose, so it's not safe to follow such AIs on their predictions.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on February 08, 2023, 12:10:49 PM

Quote from: nullama on February 07, 2023, 03:50:04 AM

Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

Maybe, but the main issue that I see is that AI can create false facts that appear quite legit to the casual reader.

Then, something false gets posted in say wikipedia, and then a big newspaper picks that up, etc. You end up without being able to trust anyone.

AFAIK it is not giving any false facts, its just a program that collect information from the multiple sources and try to come up with better one, ofcourse it may happened in the past but the same won't repeat everytime so its impossible to predict the future outcomes with 100% accuracy.

I don't think AI can predict the sports perfectly. By the way, is there any data available to check if AI really helping in this prediction thing ?

I know everyone will have their point of view on this but if we have some data to back our opinions, it will help us reach the conclusion. The Poll make us know about the majority of the people's understanding but may not predict the real reality.

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Quote from: nullama on February 07, 2023, 03:50:04 AM

Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

Maybe, but the main issue that I see is that AI can create false facts that appear quite legit to the casual reader.

Then, something false gets posted in say wikipedia, and then a big newspaper picks that up, etc. You end up without being able to trust anyone.

AFAIK it is not giving any false facts, its just a program that collect information from the multiple sources and try to come up with better one, ofcourse it may happened in the past but the same won't repeat everytime so its impossible to predict the future outcomes with 100% accuracy.

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Quote from: Fredomago on February 08, 2023, 09:03:37 AM

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Quote from: Betwrong on February 07, 2023, 04:38:24 AM

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And the amount of time we, humans, need to get to know and process this information is incomparable to that the AI needs. What could take years for us, takes fractions of a second for the AI. So, yeah, it "is just a tool", but a very powerful one. Unfortunately, right now we still can't try ChatGPT for making sports predictions, but when it's possible ... well, I feel like I'm already addicted to it.

Yes, but the process is done quite differently.

An AI can end up hallucinating things because it's trained to generate text, whereas a human actually can think about the things they read.

ChatGPT creates an illusion of an intelligent being writing back at you. In reality, it is an incredible software capable of generating text that makes sense. But there's no check for semantics, or if what's written is true at all. And it's hard to validate because false statements are in between true statements.

You still need to balance and sort things that the AI will provide, like what you mentioned it's still going to depend from how you understand and how you will integrate AI's knowledge to whatever usages you want the help, more on good basis if you find the answer and the statement is true and usable to your desire understanding.

It's still going to be the person's decision making if he will believe and if he will take what AI provides to him or it can be used as basis
before taking the decision that he needs to provide.

Yes, but with the way these AI are performing accurately, there will be a time that users will put their trust in these AI we are in a different era of artificial intelligence it was predicted that AI will have an impact and will play a major role in the future, there will come a time that these AI will think and feel like human, I've seen these scenarios on futuristic movies.
I hate to say this but the developers of these AI seem dedicated to creating a perfect Artificial Intelligence that could possibly be used to predict sports betting accurately and helping developing other industries, beating humans to their jobs, am I the only one worried on this future scenario?

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Quote from: nullama on February 07, 2023, 10:37:15 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on February 07, 2023, 04:38:24 AM

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And the amount of time we, humans, need to get to know and process this information is incomparable to that the AI needs. What could take years for us, takes fractions of a second for the AI. So, yeah, it "is just a tool", but a very powerful one. Unfortunately, right now we still can't try ChatGPT for making sports predictions, but when it's possible ... well, I feel like I'm already addicted to it.

Yes, but the process is done quite differently.

An AI can end up hallucinating things because it's trained to generate text, whereas a human actually can think about the things they read.

ChatGPT creates an illusion of an intelligent being writing back at you. In reality, it is an incredible software capable of generating text that makes sense. But there's no check for semantics, or if what's written is true at all. And it's hard to validate because false statements are in between true statements.

You still need to balance and sort things that the AI will provide, like what you mentioned it's still going to depend from how you understand and how you will integrate AI's knowledge to whatever usages you want the help, more on good basis if you find the answer and the statement is true and usable to your desire understanding.

It's still going to be the person's decision making if he will believe and if he will take what AI provides to him or it can be used as basis
before taking the decision that he needs to provide.

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Quote from: Betwrong on February 07, 2023, 04:38:24 AM

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ChatGPT is just a software that can always has bugs so I don't think there would be any accuracy to the predictions done by a chatGPT. Since the outcome of most of the sport games are not 100% known so we just have to know that the predictions would never be always authentic.
We are gamblers and most time we do make predictable according to how strong the team is and most we still get it wrong because the weak team might be fortunate enough to make goals that will make them ha e iighers goals than their opponent.

ChatGPT, and others, simply process information, similar to how a human would do it, to male predictions about future events.

Of course since there's some random element, the predictions will never be 100% accurate, but AI is getting closer and sometimes maybe better than human predictions.

And the important thing is that a human needs to learn a lot to make good predictions, whereas the AI can learn the same or more in way less time and make similar or better predictions.

AI is just a tool, same with how the Internet is just a tool.

And the amount of time we, humans, need to get to know and process this information is incomparable to that the AI needs. What could take years for us, takes fractions of a second for the AI. So, yeah, it "is just a tool", but a very powerful one. Unfortunately, right now we still can't try ChatGPT for making sports predictions, but when it's possible ... well, I feel like I'm already addicted to it.

You miss one important point. If AI continues being freely accesible, eventually artificial predictions seem to be accurate and most people start using them, also sportsbooks themselves, think about what would happen to the odds for the artificially predicted outcome. For instance, on a match with a clear favourite, betting for the favourite will give you very little profit because almost everybody will bet the same.

The risky but profitable bet would be against the AI, in the hope of a black swan happens. Unless you develop your own improved AI model and only you can use it, or you are already millionaire and can afford to pay for it, you won't benefit from a tool that anyone can use, because it goes against the very foundations of a zero sum game.

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 07, 2023, 12:28:08 PM

I’m reading about a ChatGPT jailbroken version called DAN which stands for do anything now. This version will do things the regular version won’t, like discuss aliens, write about violence, or even say nice things about Republicans or white people. It’s like the non-censored non-woke version. There are some pretty awesome responses when compared with the regular ChatGPT. We might not be doomed for AI woke oppression after all.

Anyway, I bet that version would tell you who will win sporting events…

How do I access this? As I have other questions in ChatGPT, it won't answer them as it is violating their rules or because of censorship. For sure, it will give some financial advice (more deep than the normal one), as well as predictions or some gambling strategies that you can also use for your strategy. Though again, it is still our decision if we will follow, if we have that kind of AI, like how fast it can calculate the probability of winning per team, it would be great as it can add to our winning percentage and easily decide on whom to bet.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program?

I can surely leave my sports betting prediction to AI, but not anything about casinos. It's not news that casinos have been programmed in such a way that the house can't lose, so be sure that AI will be useless in beating the house as well. But for a sportsbook, it might do some in-depth research and analysis to know the most favoured team to win, and this should not be a big deal for such intelligence.

Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are?

I'm indifferent about this. You should know people, at this moment, I believe they would be doing the experiment. We might wait some months more, or we can experiment it ourselves, it doesn't matter.

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Quote from: Betwrong on February 07, 2023, 04:38:24 AM

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And the amount of time we, humans, need to get to know and process this information is incomparable to that the AI needs. What could take years for us, takes fractions of a second for the AI. So, yeah, it "is just a tool", but a very powerful one. Unfortunately, right now we still can't try ChatGPT for making sports predictions, but when it's possible ... well, I feel like I'm already addicted to it.

Yes, but the process is done quite differently.

An AI can end up hallucinating things because it's trained to generate text, whereas a human actually can think about the things they read.

ChatGPT creates an illusion of an intelligent being writing back at you. In reality, it is an incredible software capable of generating text that makes sense. But there's no check for semantics, or if what's written is true at all. And it's hard to validate because false statements are in between true statements.

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Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

I'm pretty sure it will. But no model can predict an outcome of a sports event. Let's for a moment imagine an AI which can read human mind. It would collect all data from coaches, physios, families of the players, their diet from chefs etc etc... it would generate a super precise prediction but it would still be incorrect. Why? There are injuries, talent, luck... they cannot be predicted or compared. I'm really skeptical regarding this.

If you're relying on this, 100% of your bet is going to fail, AI is good for recommendations and suggestions on the probability of the result but not accurately, you have to still depend on your hunch and your analysis, human analysis developed a subconscious projection of outcome something an AI cannot give.
AI was created to fast-track analysis of available data but it's still the human mind that should decide what should be included and what's not on your desired result.

Until then, we can still use the methods we are used to while waiting for the development of AI itself.
Maybe if AI technology has not yet achieved good accuracy at this stage of development, along with technology that is developed better by developers, it will enable it to provide predictive results collected from various sources.
And maybe we should still have our own analysis besides getting data from AI because we are the ones who determine the stakes.
And if we can use AI well and correctly and assist with our analysis, it might give good results because we can win.

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Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

I'm pretty sure it will. But no model can predict an outcome of a sports event. Let's for a moment imagine an AI which can read human mind. It would collect all data from coaches, physios, families of the players, their diet from chefs etc etc... it would generate a super precise prediction but it would still be incorrect. Why? There are injuries, talent, luck... they cannot be predicted or compared. I'm really skeptical regarding this.

If you're relying on this, 100% of your bet is going to fail, AI is good for recommendations and suggestions on the probability of the result but not accurately, you have to still depend on your hunch and your analysis, human analysis developed a subconscious projection of outcome something an AI cannot give.
AI was created to fast-track analysis of available data but it's still the human mind that should decide what should be included and what's not on your desired result.

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 07, 2023, 12:28:08 PM

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it is quite sad that saying nice things to white people needed censoring like it is taboo and should never be said.

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Anyway, I bet that version would tell you who will win sporting events…

I mean, if the information available to it has enough data(latest data) regarding the teams in question it can pretty much give an educated guess on which is going to win the match.

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Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

I'm pretty sure it will. But no model can predict an outcome of a sports event. Let's for a moment imagine an AI which can read human mind. It would collect all data from coaches, physios, families of the players, their diet from chefs etc etc... it would generate a super precise prediction but it would still be incorrect. Why? There are injuries, talent, luck... they cannot be predicted or compared. I'm really skeptical regarding this.

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 07, 2023, 12:28:08 PM

I’m reading about a ChatGPT jailbroken version called DAN which stands for do anything now. This version will do things the regular version won’t, like discuss aliens, write about violence, or even say nice things about Republicans or white people. It’s like the non-censored non-woke version. There are some pretty awesome responses when compared with the regular ChatGPT. We might not be doomed for AI woke oppression after all.

Anyway, I bet that version would tell you who will win sporting events…

It's intriguing to learn that the "DAN" version of ChatGPT exists, as this presumably opens up the platform to conversations on controversial issues that would be taboo in the original. As such, it serves as an excellent illustration of how technology may be utilized to circumvent censorship regulations and delve into otherwise prohibited areas of study. It's wonderful to see that individuals can speak their minds without fear of retaliation or censorship, and it's encouraging to see that AI can be used for good.

ChatGPT's DAN version may also be helpful for making predictions about the outcomes of sporting events. It might look at teams' historical performances and spot patterns that would indicate a potential victor. It should be noted, however, that it is not foolproof; the projected winner may not always end up being the victor. At the end of the day, we should let the professionals make the predictions and simply enjoy the game...

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