[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes - page 46.

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Quote from: Betwrong on February 07, 2023, 04:38:24 AM

And the amount of time we, humans, need to get to know and process this information is incomparable to that the AI needs. What could take years for us, takes fractions of a second for the AI. So, yeah, it "is just a tool", but a very powerful one. Unfortunately, right now we still can't try ChatGPT for making sports predictions, but when it's possible ... well, I feel like I'm already addicted to it.

When it comes to processing on something then there's no doubt that AI is really superior but if we do attach up these things into prediction and speculative approach on things then i dont really believe the

relevance of these AI's which i dont see that they could be able to predict basing up on some factors.Yes, they might be able to provide information basing up on past information but it wont really be that
a solid thing that you could really be that confident basing up on what the AI had given.

Some are really that making out some test outs and i dont know on whats the outcome for this one.

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I’m reading about a ChatGPT jailbroken version called DAN which stands for do anything now. This version will do things the regular version won’t, like discuss aliens, write about violence, or even say nice things about Republicans or white people. It’s like the non-censored non-woke version. There are some pretty awesome responses when compared with the regular ChatGPT. We might not be doomed for AI woke oppression after all.

Anyway, I bet that version would tell you who will win sporting events…

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Quote from: AicecreaME on February 07, 2023, 06:25:58 AM

Quote from: Botnake on December 09, 2022, 01:01:42 AM

I believe there's no AI that would help us win in gambling, we cannot just solely base on statistics because that will result in a disaster. Successful gamblers based their prediction on different factors and stats alone although a major factor but it's not the main thing that would help them succeed in what they are doing.

Thing is, if one player will miss a game due to injury, that would definitely make the AI inaccurate in its prediction.

This makes sense.

If we're going to rely to AI, there is still no guarantee that we will win the bet because AI's predicted results isn't really foolproof. AI just also depends on the information that is stored in its system, and it still hasn't fully eliminated the error that could possibly happen. While there could be a smaller percentage of being wrong because it got rid of human errors based on the program, deciding solely on its prediction should be taken into account first.

Analyzation whether it is probable or not should still take into place to avoid regrets later on. We can't still beat a double-checked information from factual and updated sources after all.

What's best about the human mind is that it is very flexible in scenarios and can quickly change the result or what is best wanted, unlike AI, which for sure would be pure statistics based on its previous data or history. Though, let's say, we will be using it for predictions only, not deciding on whom you will bet, it would also be nice to have it and have an explanation as to why the AI selects those people to bet, but again, it is still our choice who to bet. I am just amazed at those AI how quickly they process the information, unlike us, like calculating things, which was slow, so it would be good for other gambling games that you can use statistics strategies to predict the game.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on February 07, 2023, 06:25:58 AM

Quote from: Botnake on December 09, 2022, 01:01:42 AM

I believe there's no AI that would help us win in gambling, we cannot just solely base on statistics because that will result in a disaster. Successful gamblers based their prediction on different factors and stats alone although a major factor but it's not the main thing that would help them succeed in what they are doing.

Thing is, if one player will miss a game due to injury, that would definitely make the AI inaccurate in its prediction.

This makes sense.

If we're going to rely to AI, there is still no guarantee that we will win the bet because AI's predicted results isn't really foolproof. AI just also depends on the information that is stored in its system, and it still hasn't fully eliminated the error that could possibly happen. While there could be a smaller percentage of being wrong because it got rid of human errors based on the program, deciding solely on its prediction should be taken into account first.

Analyzation whether it is probable or not should still take into place to avoid regrets later on. We can't still beat a double-checked information from factual and updated sources after all.

AI or not, there is still no guarantees in gambling. Oh wait, I think there is and that is if the match is fixed but still, it's illegal and not fair so it is still not advisable to be involved in one. It's still better to win in a fair and square way. There's a different kind of thrill that we can experience this way than if we will already know if who is going to win.

I won't say that AI has a small percentage to commit a mistake as all AI's that I currently see do always experience bugs and glitches from time to time and then we humans are still fixing them. Maybe there are specific tasks which AI can be pretty useful but then human involvement are still there.

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Quote from: Botnake on December 09, 2022, 01:01:42 AM

I believe there's no AI that would help us win in gambling, we cannot just solely base on statistics because that will result in a disaster. Successful gamblers based their prediction on different factors and stats alone although a major factor but it's not the main thing that would help them succeed in what they are doing.

Thing is, if one player will miss a game due to injury, that would definitely make the AI inaccurate in its prediction.

This makes sense.

If we're going to rely to AI, there is still no guarantee that we will win the bet because AI's predicted results isn't really foolproof. AI just also depends on the information that is stored in its system, and it still hasn't fully eliminated the error that could possibly happen. While there could be a smaller percentage of being wrong because it got rid of human errors based on the program, deciding solely on its prediction should be taken into account first.

Analyzation whether it is probable or not should still take into place to avoid regrets later on. We can't still beat a double-checked information from factual and updated sources after all.

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People often forget that predicting the winning team is not the most important thing while making a bet. The most important thing is making the most money while risking the least amount of money.

The AI might predict the winning team as much as anybody but is it a good idea to make a bet on that team?

Let’s say, according to the AI, Barcelona football club will win its next game 95%. Now everybody will bet on BFC and the bookies will lower its reward ratio. Meaning, you will only get 1% return if BFC wins but you will risk 100% of your bankroll.

Obviously that’s not a good deal.

What you need to do is, not asking AI to give you the potential winner’s name. You want AI to give you the best bet for the buck which is pretty damn hard.

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Quote from: panganib999 on February 06, 2023, 04:50:30 PM

Quote from: serveria.com on February 05, 2023, 04:30:19 PM

Def no, bots or AI use all data available at the moment to predict the result of the game, but as players are only humans (although highly professional ones) they make errors, they can suffer an injury, withdraw, lose temper and many other things which cannot be predicted by a machine, no matter how perfect.

behavior data like that as far as I know can be collected by AI and be used for future reference actually. Small stuff that may not appear big to us like our slightest temper tantrums or whatnot, when taken by an AI, can help it predict our next move. Granted ChatGPT is not that advanced for it to be able to perform feats like this but AI as a whole, is able to do stuff like this even as early as 2014. Predictive Policing, Heat List, all of these use behavioral data, as well as data of other types to determine whether someone could commit a crime in a certain area or not. So it would be unwise really if we are to lowball how big of a chokehold AI already has over us.

It would be silly to think AI is not dangerous if used by bad people, or even government which could use it to create some sort of situation where AI could be used to make more willing citizens, but that doesn't change the fact that this has nothing to do with how they could predict outcomes of sports matches for example. I understand it could be used for MANY things, good and bad, but not betting.

It just doesn't exists, it doesn't calculate what humans will do when they are 11 vs 11, that's just too unpredictable, nobody knows. It all comes down to all those times when things that had 10.00+ odds where nobody assumed it could go one way, ended up going that way and those are not predictable.

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Quote from: nullama on February 01, 2023, 07:04:28 PM

Quote from: Bushdark on February 01, 2023, 05:28:16 PM

ChatGPT is just a software that can always has bugs so I don't think there would be any accuracy to the predictions done by a chatGPT. Since the outcome of most of the sport games are not 100% known so we just have to know that the predictions would never be always authentic.
We are gamblers and most time we do make predictable according to how strong the team is and most we still get it wrong because the weak team might be fortunate enough to make goals that will make them ha e iighers goals than their opponent.

ChatGPT, and others, simply process information, similar to how a human would do it, to male predictions about future events.

Of course since there's some random element, the predictions will never be 100% accurate, but AI is getting closer and sometimes maybe better than human predictions.

And the important thing is that a human needs to learn a lot to make good predictions, whereas the AI can learn the same or more in way less time and make similar or better predictions.

AI is just a tool, same with how the Internet is just a tool.

And the amount of time we, humans, need to get to know and process this information is incomparable to that the AI needs. What could take years for us, takes fractions of a second for the AI. So, yeah, it "is just a tool", but a very powerful one. Unfortunately, right now we still can't try ChatGPT for making sports predictions, but when it's possible ... well, I feel like I'm already addicted to it.

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Quote from: nullama on February 07, 2023, 03:50:04 AM

Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

Maybe, but the main issue that I see is that AI can create false facts that appear quite legit to the casual reader.

Then, something false gets posted in say wikipedia, and then a big newspaper picks that up, etc. You end up without being able to trust anyone.

That's a pretty good point that developers of Ai strategies might forget. Any Ai will make calculations much faster than any human and will also collect data and information at a much faster rate. The only thing a computer is missing is common sense. I remember stories from the first few ai chatbots that got fed a lot of fake and troll messages and used it at face value. I would be very careful betting large sums of money on strategies without Human oversight. Let's say there are some fake news about a potential transfer of a top player, that could change the odds of winning for a team drastically. And if the Ai would react quickly on the news, betting large sums on the next big match, only to find out that the news are wrong. My fear would be that because of misunderstanding the Ai makes one wrong bet and losses all my money.

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Quote from: Sims25 on February 07, 2023, 01:10:29 AM

AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

Maybe, but the main issue that I see is that AI can create false facts that appear quite legit to the casual reader.

Then, something false gets posted in say wikipedia, and then a big newspaper picks that up, etc. You end up without being able to trust anyone.

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AI will be able to build models that far surpasses any model that a human can build.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on February 06, 2023, 03:22:00 PM

Technology is good yes, but I think this artificial intelligence AI, is a big threat to human critical thinking and with the way which things are going ,humans will become useless at some point, because we will literally rely on machines to think for us, and at that point, AI will start to replace humans at various levels.

The Bottom line is that, for me there are things we should rely on machines to do and the ones we should do ourselves, I can only get the data from machines (AI) but final decision will be made by me when it comes to placing my bets, I'm the human.

AI is effective but only for the wiser. I don't think any AI can predict the outcome of sports betting accurately. If there were any such tools then online gambling websites would not survive. But yes there may be some AI that is capable of giving probabilistic ideas but betting entirely on AI will definitely result in negative. Sometimes the club-friendly matches are not played with much importance by the players, and sometimes some players may be injured. I don't think it's a worthwhile thing to depend on AI if you don't have good sports-related ideas.

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Quote from: serveria.com on February 05, 2023, 04:30:19 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

Def no, bots or AI use all data available at the moment to predict the result of the game, but as players are only humans (although highly professional ones) they make errors, they can suffer an injury, withdraw, lose temper and many other things which cannot be predicted by a machine, no matter how perfect.

behavior data like that as far as I know can be collected by AI and be used for future reference actually. Small stuff that may not appear big to us like our slightest temper tantrums or whatnot, when taken by an AI, can help it predict our next move. Granted ChatGPT is not that advanced for it to be able to perform feats like this but AI as a whole, is able to do stuff like this even as early as 2014. Predictive Policing, Heat List, all of these use behavioral data, as well as data of other types to determine whether someone could commit a crime in a certain area or not. So it would be unwise really if we are to lowball how big of a chokehold AI already has over us.

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Quote from: serjent05 on February 02, 2023, 06:56:20 PM

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Quote from: Unsoldier on February 02, 2023, 02:34:48 PM

This is the first I've heard of ChatGPT being used to predict sports. That's funny. I know that animals have been used to predict sports events. Paul the octopus, for example. Paul has predicted football matches 14 times and he's only been wrong twice. So if you want to win at sports betting, get a pet. It will probably make you a lot more money than the AI.

On the time i had read up then i dont really believe at all but on the time i did make out some research then it did really happen.LOL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Octopus

I havent read up the entire details on how predictions been made by this Octopus which it is surprising that it had been only wrong twice which is something
that proves out that it does work.

For ChatGPT then i doubt that there's someone would be posting up their results on using this thing.

I read Paul's wiki and was surprised about his divination getting 12 out of 14 is quite remarkable, especially since the animal is not exposed to data of the competing team. I still wonder if it is just a coincidence but 12/14 obviously is not.

AI development today is not good enough for sports prediction or other gambling outcomes. If you ask it, it will only give you a randomly generated answer. So better not to trust AI prediction unless you are wasting your bankroll to test the reliability of AI in predicting the outcome of sports betting.

Even myself cant really be able to believe that an animal would be able to have 12/14 good predictions despite that it isnt really that something that you could believe that an animal would be able to do so.
For the current AI trend and hype that we do have now, surprisingly on which people been using it on different ways and methods even into those things which arent really quitely relevant for it to be used.
They would find it sooner or later on whats the relevance and whats the result or outcome on making use of these AI's when it comes to betting or simply make use in gambling.
I dont really see any relevance at all.

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Technology is good yes, but I think this artificial intelligence AI, is a big threat to human critical thinking and with the way which things are going ,humans will become useless at some point, because we will literally rely on machines to think for us, and at that point, AI will start to replace humans at various levels.

The Bottom line is that, for me there are things we should rely on machines to do and the ones we should do ourselves, I can only get the data from machines (AI) but final decision will be made by me when it comes to placing my bets, I'm the human.

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Quote from: molsewid on February 06, 2023, 01:57:27 PM

Quote from: bittraffic on February 06, 2023, 10:48:09 AM

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It's the same thing that's what bookmakers are doing, they pick which one has the high chance of winning and then put the odds which is why their pick is also the favored. If AI can look at the winning rate and see through the team's abilities and characteristics, the AI may really be able to determine rates in analyzing these data.

The OpenAI is back for use again but I notice it becomes dumb already. Gone are the expectations we hope to see.

We can still wait the improvement of this AI, all AI has its flaws and using AI vs the algorithm of that certain casino is a smart move but then I think this openAI based its result according to the odds that its database will mine? I mean yes you are right if this team gets the number of higher odds then AI will predict that it will be the winner but the accuracy of it? I'm still doubt to it, there will be some changes along the way.

Now matter how these AI would really be progressing out but still it wont really be that significant on asking it out about on things which are pertaining about on future or something speculative.There's no way that it would really be that sensible for it to be asked out and be relying on what are the things that it would be saying.It would be obviously going for those past events which is normally be stored up into its library which
it would really be that a common approach and response that would be given out.Do we really believe that bookies and betting sites wont really be finding ways to shut it down if
ever it was really that effective?

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Quote from: bittraffic on February 06, 2023, 10:48:09 AM

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It's the same thing that's what bookmakers are doing, they pick which one has the high chance of winning and then put the odds which is why their pick is also the favored. If AI can look at the winning rate and see through the team's abilities and characteristics, the AI may really be able to determine rates in analyzing these data.

The OpenAI is back for use again but I notice it becomes dumb already. Gone are the expectations we hope to see.

We can still wait the improvement of this AI, all AI has its flaws and using AI vs the algorithm of that certain casino is a smart move but then I think this openAI based its result according to the odds that its database will mine? I mean yes you are right if this team gets the number of higher odds then AI will predict that it will be the winner but the accuracy of it? I'm still doubt to it, there will be some changes along the way.

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It's the same thing that's what bookmakers are doing, they pick which one has the high chance of winning and then put the odds which is why their pick is also the favored. If AI can look at the winning rate and see through the team's abilities and characteristics, the AI may really be able to determine rates in analyzing these data.

The OpenAI is back for use again but I notice it becomes dumb already. Gone are the expectations we hope to see.

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Quote from: BenCodie on February 06, 2023, 05:11:13 AM

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Would using machine learning to create/estimate odds be the same process as actually making the prediction though? Creating the right odds is one thing, but predicting the most likely result, would that be another thing or the same process?

Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing.

The odds are basically the estimated probability that each event would occur. The rarer the event, the higher the payout.

So, if a casino estimates those odds wrong, then an AI would be able to spot a difference based on the data available.

It's the same as we do, we can always think along the lines of "That's paying too much for team X, they actually might win this time because of Y".

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Quote from: nullama on January 13, 2023, 06:44:15 PM

Quote from: Asiska02 on January 13, 2023, 04:19:59 PM

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Specifically, AI can only predict the outcome of a game based on data and statistics from previous events that occurred in that manner. Even though it is not prone to error in how it is designed to function, it can never be 100% accurate. However, predicting the outcome of a match that is not played within its control is impossible.

Even when given ample data and information about two opposing teams, humans make mistakes. We can't expect AI to outperform them in terms of final results, but it can outperform us in statistical analysis. I disagree with the notion that AI will produce accurate results.

Betting agencies have been using machine learning models to estimate their odds for decades now.

They will continue updating their models with the latest advances in AI, and it will get more accurate over time.

But as we just saw in Qatar 2022, they predicted Brazil to be the winner, but in the end it was Argentina the one who won.

So, just now we have proof that these fantastic AI systems still can get it wrong.

Would using machine learning to create/estimate odds be the same process as actually making the prediction though? Creating the right odds is one thing, but predicting the most likely result, would that be another thing or the same process?

Quote from: Betwrong on January 10, 2023, 03:16:08 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2023, 05:11:22 PM

I still haven’t tried this out yet to see how it could work, but I do like all the discussion surrounding it. Personally, I don’t see why using AI would be any different than betting with a newsletter or following someone else’s picks. Who knows, maybe AI would be better. Without trying it out it’s hard to say, but next time I’m messing with ChatGPT I’m definitely going to give it a little test.

Please do it. Maybe you will find a way to circumvent this restriction

but I personally can't imagine how to do it. I think for sports betting you need the latest information about many things that can contribute to the outcome, and if the AI doesn't have access to this information, it can't make the prediction.

(In the picture is the response of ChatGPT to a question about current events).

Took me from page 14 to get to your post. I wonder why they only index information up to such an out-dated time. I guess if it was up to date until the end of 2022, it would be a game changer for this topic.

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