Topic: POLL - which coins are scams as defined in the OP? - page 6. (Read 11708 times)

I am more afraid of being bit by mosquito than I am of David and his vacuous threats. I am perfectly within my rights to comment in a forum with my conjecture. That is what speculation forums are for.

I have negative net worth, and you guys don't. Don't kick a sleeping dog, else you might find yourself counter-sued.

Which is of course just an another lie from our low life Belarusian scammer. Ivancheglo Sergey has 12.50% share in Iota AS (company number 916 476 965, registered in Norway).

It would be not bad if you trolled me, I don't get enough pleasure trolling altcoinUK back because his IQ is not high enough (no insult intended). You sound very smart and I will surely enjoy several rounds against you. I'll do my best to keep David from sueing you, though I can't promise this, because he is the boss and I'm just a hired man.

ok, if you say so i should believe you.

albert what CfB is apparently stating is that he believes altcoinUK was trying to use GadgetCoin as a foundation from which to discredit and attack Iota, thus damaging GadgetCoin also.

CfB, but my point to you is that these misunderstandings are just scratching the surface of failures that will arise from being associated with unethical endeavors. If the ICO/JINN stuff wasn't so shady, altcoinUK would have nothing to peg on you.

I am also finding it incredulous that you think you can out innovate Intel and other hugely capitalized semiconductor companies with a "trinary" processor. Do you even have any PhD researchers with a decade of work in this area?

Even without really investigating fully, I can already smell that JINN is pre-selling a one-way space junket to the money vortex Ur-anus.

I bit my tongue up to now, out of respect for your ability to code and the fact that Iota had some tech that helped my thought process (even though I think a DAG can't converge without centralized control). Also because you had mostly been cordial and it seemed you had sensitivity for others and you seemed open-minded as well w.r.t. to technology discussion even when it was critical. But then you made the mistake of trolling me in this thread, and I started to think about why am I pulling my punches w.r.t. Iota   The more I hear and think about the ICO/JINN, the harder it is for me to think of it being ethical. The real sensitivity for others is not doing unethical pumps to unwary n00bs. And to pursue real projects with real adoption and ethical out in the open business (e.g. have a LinkedIn account and have a history and a reputation).

thank you for your civil post. you are right and the GDc investors understand you are right. it is very difficult to make money in IoT with a digital currency token. it is being discussed in the GadgetCoin Ryver forum.

You obviously don't get me or don't want to get.

instrument of what? GDC is not even on exchanges, it is a closed company share investment. man, the GDC developers don't deserve this shit from you. the GDC investors don't deserve your lies about Gadgetcoin man. only altcoinuk attacks IOTA, but he attacks everybody, bitbay, vericoin, LISK,his attacks nothing to do with Gadgetcoin. no other GDC investor said a bad word about IOTA. some of us,
tobeaj2mer01, Netzer and me even invested in IOTA and we support it. when i see your trolling in many threads I start to think my IOTA investment was a bad decision.

I was talking to the GadgetCoin devs on one day only while this was all going on. And I even advised them that CfB's implementation is probably legit. And I sort of leaned them towards not burning their bridges with Iota, even though David (iotatoken) is a hothead for threatening (in a private message) to sue me for simply writing my IANAL opinions/research about the implications of USA securities regulation. And I told them that apparently some people are claiming the ICO/JINN is shady.

Nevertheless I am sad to report that my conclusion after investigating is there is no money in IoT (now, maybe a decade from now but the corporations are looking for open source and open solution, not some proprietary token launched from scammy ICO). It is just another buzzword and these coins want to get endorsement from some big corporations, so they can go pump the tokens. I understand altcoinUK's expose on Iota could cause problems for such a marketing model.

I tried to see if we could do some collaboration around the Streemo code w.r.t. to my social networking plans. But it just doesn't seem to fit. So I had to just fall away from that discussion. The Gadget coin folks I was exposed to seemed to be ethical as far as I could tell.

I am interested in creating software that users use and I get feedback from them daily and they have feature requests for me. That is what I find rewarding. All these strategies for mining investors is so far removed from what I think software development is all about.

So I am almost out-of-here. Will finish up and bite my tongue and let go of this place...

GadgetCoin wasn't a scam, re-read my original post before jumping to the conclusion, wasn't it clear that I was talking about altcoinUK who attempted to use GadgetCoin as an instrument?

I'm not interested in politics, let's stop on that your post.

man, why do you lie? what GadgetCoin scam you prevented? i have invested in both IOTA and GadgetCoin. iotatoken the other IOTA developer asked us to stay away from altcoinuk and i comply with his request. i stopped immediately talking to altcoinuk, but man, stop your lies about GadgetCoin.

The GadgetCoin developers have done nothing against you. even the GadgetCoin devs closed the thread to stop altcoinuk's attacks on IOTA. this is what mtomcdev the lead GDC dev wrote us back then: "We have nothing but respect for the lead IOTA developer Come-from-Beyond and we certainly don't want to criticise his new venture". now you call them scammer?

i am seriously concerned about my IOTA investment when i see your lies and trolling. please stop this shit what you do here and go to develop IOTA.

You don't seem to understand. I didn't say anything about extradition because I know that Belarus doesn't have an extradition treaty with the USA.

My point is the unethical choice results in abject poverty and failure. There is always a more powerful gang member within your own hell hole who will extort you.

Americans have succeeded because we believed in law & order and bettering people. Some significant portion of the population has become corrupted (and really embraced Socialism and stealing from each other), but there is still a core that will break free of the corrupted portion of the USA. Trump is indicative that the productive and conservative sector of the USA is beginning to rise up.

Unethical systems always devolve into abject failure.

Man, countries don't extradict their citizens. It's written in the Constitution of every developed country. You should have started learning the laws from the basics instead of jumping straight to complex cases.

He spends a LOT of time here.

We are coming to a global monetary reset in the period between 2018 to 2020.

The criminality is being allowed to run rampant with the protection of unharmonised international law.

The global order will be rapidly harmonised upon this global crisis which was done by the elite to destroy the nation-states and usher in the new world order.

This is not a fantasy or something that will happen in the distant future. This will accelerate next year due to the $10 trillion dollar debt the rest of the world must service which will send the US dollar and stock market sky high and send the result of the world collapsing. There will be political support for restructuring the global order and to harmonise legislation to put an end to the rampant criminality wherein the bankers were offshoring their corruption. Ethereum offshored their company and ICO to try to sideskirt ethics. That will never work out for them.

Mark my word. Those who are unethical are planting the seeds for their future misery.

Thanks for reaffirming my findings from summer 2015, that I will never again try to recruit a programmer from Eastern Europe or Russia. I was so naive. I thought given they are algorithmically clever, they would be an asset and that they would appreciate the opportunity to break free from the chains of Communism. Now I understand that instead they view Communism as a desirable feature to operate within.

You can turn over a new leaf perhaps before it is too late. But I don't expect you to. And I want to stop all communication with you. Bye.

We discussed this nonsense several times, not going to waste more time on revealing your delusions. The fact that you consider yourself more knowledgable in legislation of numerous countries than the team of Ethereum lawyers already tells a lot.

If you trust a corrupt regime to not sell you to the USA government, then I think you don't understand how rule by criminality works. That is unless you can pay a larger bribe.

My point is once someone heads down the path of unethical choices, there is no turning away from criminality. They enter the dark underworld. The criminal mindset doesn't compute this probability correctly. I am speaking in generalities in this paragraph and not making an accusation.

In order for Communism to flourish, the population must also support criminality. The Bible speaks about this.

If you read it via Google Translate you wouldn't mention the law. Stop judging books by their titles.

Perhaps one might assume that operating in Belarus and selling illegal unregistered investment securities to non-qualified USA investors would be risk-free. Think again.


I think it is highly unethical to operate from behind the Iron Curtain selling investment "scams" to unwary n00bs in the USA. If one limited their ICO token pre-sales to qualified investors (i.e. in the USA that means $1 million liquid net worth and/or a signed statement attesting to their sophiscation), then I wouldn't think the ethics was corrupted.

I simply won't associate professionally with anyone doing that. And such people will remain forever stuck in the business of scamming, because of their past, they will never be accepted into the mainstream where ethics and minimum levels of sane law & order are preferred.

I made some major mistakes in my 30s. I would hope someone younger than me, who still has a chance to change course might think carefully about what I have written. Then again, culture is deeply engrained and probably not pliant.