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September 29, 2021, 06:58:51 AM
@WP
I take a 255 bit pubkey, divide it by 33. Now I only have to search the 2^255/33 ~ 2^252  range to find the key. What a reduction.

@ssxb

Well but what is the new knowledge?

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Also the 33 division makes sense as the distance between each point will be the mod inverse of 33 or so. Its like cutting the whole N into ranges, as mentioned before. Only problem is, that you are only getting one in the lower bruteforcable range and then can jump from that one and can determine the other 32 private keys.

And yes, you just have to multiply the privatekey times your divisor and then mod N to get the right result.

Again, reduction of range, not what I am saying. I also said you can use any divisor, not just 33. For tests, I also did 192, and 192*192.

Everyone keeps saying you add a bigger range/create a bigger range, but that is not the case. If you divide by using whatever divisor, it does not create a larger keyspace to search. All ranges to search are the original size of whatever size the original private key range is in, except the original range, it has obviously been reduced. So if you start with a key that lies in a 120 bit range and divide by 192 or 256 or 1,000,000, then you can find any pubkey in the same size range. You do not make search range larger.

Also "2^255/33 ~ 2^252" I do not know where this math comes from. If I take a key in a 2^255 range and divide by 33. 255/33, then the new reduced range would be at least 250, but again, not the point here.

"multiply the privatekey times your divisor and then mod N to get the right result" -- seems like more steps than needed, I do not mod N anything to jump back to the private key but I imagine there are multiple ways to walk back to original private key...9 ways to skin a cat.

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September 29, 2021, 06:23:25 AM
30240 came from astro
360 days in year
7 day in week
12 month in year
360 x 7 x 12 = 30240
Full ver
2520
360 x 7 = 2520
For complete numerology 30240 will work
2520 will make u stuck in some part of calc


2   447   7572   564114
3   596   9536   752152
4   631   10096   1128228
6   894   14304   1504304
8   1192   15144   2256456
12   1262   20192   3008608
16   1788   28608   4512912
24   1893   30288   6017216
32   2384   40384   9025824
48   2524   60576   18051648
64   3576   94019  
96   3786   121152  
149   4768   188038  
192   5048   282057  
298   7152   376076  

30288 what other guys call 30240 as i call this shit a 30288

WTF ?  Huh

dude you are going against your magic numbers , somebody please hand over me tomato ketchup i will assume it soda and drink it today

 where the hell i left my .75 btc? sorry i forgot  Grin
for kids in math, first learn word and meaning
1. ecc secp256k1 number = 1bit to 256bit
2. numberology = 0 to infinite
i post both side magic numbers, , unfortunatly you all unable to understand, further no details from my side, extreme knowledge for your hightech brains brainless posted, definatly i am thousands year back living in A.D, as i dont know 360 or 365 in a year, here are muslim , christ, and jews, chinese all have there own year calender, and can better understand why 360
Enjoy your time
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September 29, 2021, 05:00:43 AM
WTF you did to this thread?
Your lack of mathematical knowledge is terrible. Thread which started with smart software based on well-known and proofed mathematical theory you changed into thrash can, garbage full of your imaginations.
Is it possible to ignore some users on the forum? Just not to see BS from people like COBRA or brainles. You just waste network bandwidth.
I understand that someone may be greedy - but greedy, stupid and ignorant - I do not accept it...
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September 29, 2021, 04:33:56 AM
And what is the actual algorithm? It is so annoying.

brainless: Check my magic numbers
me: What are those.
brainless: See this post, were is just post them without any explaination
me: lets see, what is it? check it out and search what those are... they are the divisors of N-1 Ok. Check in Wolfram Alfa, seems legit
me: What now?
brainless: You do something with them and get less keys
ssxb: You add, subtract multiply divide in some arbitrary order and get less keys.


Wow
What is the fucking algorithm? Is there some pseudocode?

But hey, he wants 0,75 BTC for a Rig. Sure...
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September 29, 2021, 04:07:46 AM
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30288 what other guys call 30240 as i call this shit a 30288

WTF ?  Huh

dude you are going against your magic numbers

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Why do you think he's going against the magic numbers?
Didn't you think so: 30240 = 30288 - 48 ?
That said, both 30288 and 48 refer to these numbers
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September 29, 2021, 03:57:08 AM
Guys, if brainless really succeeded in reducing the number of keys, then you would listen carefully, turn on your brain, think, try and analyze. And I see that Brainless is giving advice, and others already being shit on here for 2 pages, as if all of you have a script to reduce by 10 bits with one key.
Brainless gives interesting math from a side that many haven't even thought about. So less showing off and more focus to understand the algorithm itself. I don't think Brainless will give it in a ready-made form. Thank you for at least giving hints. Enjoy.
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September 29, 2021, 03:09:46 AM
30240 came from astro
360 days in year
7 day in week
12 month in year
360 x 7 x 12 = 30240
Full ver
2520
360 x 7 = 2520
For complete numerology 30240 will work
2520 will make u stuck in some part of calc


2   447   7572   564114
3   596   9536   752152
4   631   10096   1128228
6   894   14304   1504304
8   1192   15144   2256456
12   1262   20192   3008608
16   1788   28608   4512912
24   1893   30288   6017216
32   2384   40384   9025824
48   2524   60576   18051648
64   3576   94019  
96   3786   121152  
149   4768   188038  
192   5048   282057  
298   7152   376076  

30288 what other guys call 30240 as i call this shit a 30288

WTF ?  Huh

dude you are going against your magic numbers , somebody please hand over me tomato ketchup i will assume it soda and drink it today

 where the hell i left my .75 btc? sorry i forgot  Grin
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September 29, 2021, 02:52:57 AM
so talk about idea guys

here is idea , brainless make a fire here and instead of drinking soda i throw all my soda to extinguish this shit but all in vein ~ now when i am out from all soda cans . my mind start working again and got a idea
why the hell i should not ask brainless to share a script which he is using to reduce the shit out of keys.

brainless : could you please be so kind and share your genius script so i can see what u did in this summer.

as i cant see a working logic here and i have to sale that script to a.a to buy a soda cans
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
September 29, 2021, 02:39:52 AM
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I don't want to upset you, but there are 365 days in a year

What a dumpster fire the last few pages of this thread have been.  Sad
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September 29, 2021, 02:36:30 AM
30240 came from astro
360 days in year
7 day in week
12 month in year
360 x 7 x 12 = 30240
Full ver
2520
360 x 7 = 2520
For complete numerology 30240 will work
2520 will make u stuck in some part of calc

I don't want to upset you, but there are 365 days in a year
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September 29, 2021, 02:31:08 AM
30240 came from astro
360 days in year
7 day in week
12 month in year
360 x 7 x 12 = 30240
Full ver
2520
360 x 7 = 2520
For complete numerology 30240 will work
2520 will make u stuck in some part of calc

come to papa  Kiss
a.a
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September 29, 2021, 02:30:18 AM
brainless.... are you kidding me? Come with some reasonable arguments and not with conjectures.


2520 will get you stuck, but 30240 will work. Old Babylonian Astronomers knew this.

Source(s): Dude trust me
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September 29, 2021, 02:26:34 AM
30240 came from astro
360 days in year
7 day in week
12 month in year
360 x 7 x 12 = 30240
Full ver
2520
360 x 7 = 2520
For complete numerology 30240 will work
2520 will make u stuck in some part of calc
a.a
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September 29, 2021, 02:24:56 AM
So no new knowledge  Cool
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September 29, 2021, 02:20:39 AM
@WP
I take a 255 bit pubkey, divide it by 33. Now I only have to search the 2^255/33 ~ 2^252  range to find the key. What a reduction.

@ssxb

Well but what is the new knowledge?

Well but what is the new knowledge?

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congratulation to me today i learnt how to generate numbers in series from 1 to 32 with python. such a genius (wile-e-coyote)

now i am telling you guys dont follow me you can hardly program this. (My brainless theory)

watching wile e coyote vs bugs bunny
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September 29, 2021, 01:48:14 AM
@WP
I take a 255 bit pubkey, divide it by 33. Now I only have to search the 2^255/33 ~ 2^252  range to find the key. What a reduction.

@ssxb

Well but what is the new knowledge?
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September 29, 2021, 01:31:32 AM
i am drinking soda right now and watching screen (no red wine as i am Muslim Tongue) 32 keys are in front of me telling me that we are relative to each other and no matter from where you will jump toward us we will be always on distance of 1 with each other. if you knows the private keys you will find these keys are lying but hell yaa man when you work blindly on public keys without knowing private keys you will know they are having relation on curve and on 1 key distance from each other. fck math is beautiful . curse you elliptic curve sorry glass slipped from my hand i need to clean the table  Roll Eyes
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September 29, 2021, 01:26:14 AM
Giving you all one more tip , in total numerology, only 30240 is is dividable from 1 to 10, mean 5 even 5 odd, at same time, and no floating result
I don't know what you mean by "numerology", but 30240 is not the only such number (some people already told about it)

if you multuply 30240 to any numbers, and result could also div by 1 to 10, and in result no floating point
If you multiply any X by any Y, that resulting number will be divisible without remainder by all factors of Y (and X). There is no secrets. That is basics. Fundamental theorem of arithmetic.
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September 29, 2021, 01:25:12 AM
I saw that you posted before I could post. I had already invested about 20 minutes for the post and was like: "Well, it is already said, but not from everyone" and so I posted it anyway.

Also the 33 division makes sense as the distance between each point will be the mod inverse of 33 or so. Its like cutting the whole N into ranges, as mentioned before. Only problem is, that you are only getting one in the lower bruteforcable range and then can jump from that one and can determine the other 32 private keys.

And yes, you just have to multiply the privatekey times your divisor and then mod N to get the right result.

that what i said before   Grin
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September 29, 2021, 01:22:09 AM
What about 2520?

2520 = 2³ * 3² * 5 * 7

2520 / 10 = 252
2520 / 9 = 280
2520 / 8 = 315
2520 / 7 = 360
2520 / 6 = 420
2520 / 5 = 504
2520 / 4 = 630
2520 / 3 = 830
2520  / 2 = 1260
2520 / 1 = 2520

Only difference is, that dividing by 8 will get you a odd number. If you want that it is even when dividing by 8, then just double 2520. So 5040 is much smaller than 30240. So why is according to you only 30240 dividable from 1 to 10? If it is even relevant as 30240 is not a divisor of N-1.

References:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_composite_number
https://mrob.com/pub/math/numbers-14.html#lc5040

 


Yeah I already asked about 2520; I did not see where he stated it had to be even or odd, just no float. It could be beneficial, I will have to run more tests tomorrow. But as of now, I can find any key in any range with any divisor. So I did learn something from all of this discussion. Example, if you took a 40 bit public key and divided it by 33, I could find every public key that is generated and ultimately each pub key found in any/every range will lead me back to private key of original pub key, with a click of a button.

I ran several tests with divisor of 33 and a few with a divisor of 192. Find one pubkey in any range and you have the private key of original pub key.

Find one pubkey in any range and you have the private key of original pub key

that what i said before  Grin
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