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August 13, 2021, 07:42:07 AM
If the people in control is always trying to put down the public and then blaming them that it's their fault then the mentality will stay there, they didn't ask for the situation that they were born in and it's not like they're lazy, it's just that no matter how hard they work, the people who make money the most are those at the top.
That's right, some people are poor not because they're lazy but becauuse their governments failed them, they cared more about the things that will increase their influence rather than going to the root of the problem. And to the people that thinks that it's all about mentality, you have never experienced poverty before and how being poor keeps you in that line, you are privileged so you can't speak like they can just do what you're doing.

The main factor to change and rise from poverty is struggle and hard work. Although this is very hard for the poor and takes longer, learning discipline and analyzing the lifestyle of the rich in economic terms is very much needed. Sometimes we have to make a decision that is beyond our capabilities, and we are not even sure about it. But the space and hard work put in will definitely have an impact either directly or indirectly.
A poor man can become rich only if he is willing to try to create his own opportunities.
Yes I agree with you. Everyone can become rich if he wants to try and work hard. It's a shame there are so many out there that they just sit idly by. Rich is only in a dream, but in reality it is not destiny that makes him poor. But the laziness factor is very, very dependent on others, being in a comfort zone so that he stays at that point continuously.
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August 16, 2021, 01:36:50 PM
It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.
It was being said that poor people become poorer while rich people become richer. The mentality of the people matters in their status of life, like if your rich will simply think that you have to use your money to be richer, while the lower class will be just satisfied with what they've got today and never make a dream to become rich.
It is really hard to reverse the situation but if we wanted to have a change, it must be started by ourselves and with some kind of determination.
On the contrary I don't think poor people are contented with the situation of their finances. They just don't know how to get out of the maze, they work four jobs and still have little or nothing to show for it. Being poor ultimately means a poor education. There aren't many opportunities out there
I was not in general but most of them have no plan at all. Actually, some just did to escape from staying in the lower class of the society but those numbers left are pretty much bigger than those who are able to change. 
But if you are talking about opportunities, there are more opportunities for rich people. That makes poor people become hopeless and just be contented with what they've got.
Contentment does really vary into each person on which they would neither consider or not on making out some changes into their lives.Some wouldnt  really like to stay  on becoming poor and some is just really
contented  on what they do have now.

Its not bad on being contented but you should at least set up goals on making your life even way more better.There's no harm to try to dive in with the opportunities but if you dont like on having
improvements into your life then its your choice.

We do have our own plans and choices in life.
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August 16, 2021, 01:20:19 PM
"Christmas comes but once a year" This is a familiar saying. Allah is kind to his creature. Allah is always to help, sport and is ready to give blessings. He blesses every one chance to rise and change his destiny. It is a fact that the poor and middle class always make effort to improve their condition. They have the potential and effort to grow & develop. The hustle and bustle in the world are due to the activity of the poor and middle class. Their mentality has good norms and standards.
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August 16, 2021, 07:36:07 AM
Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life. For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs, avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

In a preppy school, where most of the students are rich-born, the conversation is quite different. Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos.

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.


No disrespect to the schools and universities. I am stll thankful for them in teaching the basics such as English, Math, Science, etc., especially in our respective courses during the college days. However, these schools and universities are not teaching us how to become financially literate and become successful in life.

They’re giving us a poor or middle class mindset where I wanna reference Robert Kiyosaki’s Rich Dad Poor Dad book “Study hard, get good grades, when you graduate, get a stable job with benefits until retirement”., in which it’s indeed true. They didn’t teach us how to become successful in life, but instead only taught us some specific skills and working hard to get good grades, but ended up earning less.

I’ve got to be honest with you. Although I’ve graduated under the Bachelor of Science in Commerce, the only skills that I have implemented from college was about management. Until now it’s still helpful for me in my daily life, where I have implemented it right here on the crypto space. I have never ever worked in a full-time physical office job in my entire life, so I am mostly work from home. It also gives us some ways to become as creative as we are in order to become successful later on and making a difference.
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August 16, 2021, 06:45:27 AM
Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Hmm ... I can only agree that any opinion has a right to exist. But I definitely do not like the essence of it. Please tell me why a person who constantly works, and receives a good reward for it, should share something with someone, especially, probably with someone who, in order to improve his well-being, "does not put a finger on his finger" !? Why should a working person who wants to organize his life have to pay for a comfortable life at his own expense? I understand very well what charity is. But there is no need to pervert the idea of ​​humanity, good deeds, and to form a layer of lazy, stupid, doing nothing people living at someone else's expense. And will we also form a stratum of "slaves" who must work, develop, earn for their family and for a couple of families of such social ballast? Humanity should be logical!

There are 8 categories of people who are entitled to receive zakat from the rich, from those 8 categories, I don't think I will let the lazy wave continue against them.  Poor which is said in zakat is also different from the state version of poor.  Poor in the book of zakat is said when the income is not enough to meet the basic needs of one day, so when you have excess wealth isn't it normal to donate in the form of zakat?

I read about it, found information. I just ask you not to be offended by my answer, tk. what you are proposing is based on religion. So this is not a solution to the problem. Not even partial. Let's take a look at this process from the outside. And we will evaluate it as any process in terms of the result. Despite the fact that in the Muslim world there are a lot of very rich people, the number of the poor is disproportionately higher than if, for example, compare the US or the EU. There is a middle class there, in Muslim countries, with rare exceptions there is almost no middle class. This is an indicator that "fair distribution" does not work, which means that some other principles in the structure of society / state are violated.
Again, in my personal opinion, such one-time "gifts" do not solve the problem at all. As a rule, they go to "grub", and never go to systemic solutions, such as paying for the child's education.
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August 13, 2021, 09:25:19 AM
It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.
It was being said that poor people become poorer while rich people become richer. The mentality of the people matters in their status of life, like if your rich will simply think that you have to use your money to be richer, while the lower class will be just satisfied with what they've got today and never make a dream to become rich.
It is really hard to reverse the situation but if we wanted to have a change, it must be started by ourselves and with some kind of determination.
On the contrary I don't think poor people are contented with the situation of their finances. They just don't know how to get out of the maze, they work four jobs and still have little or nothing to show for it. Being poor ultimately means a poor education. There aren't many opportunities out there
I was not in general but most of them have no plan at all. Actually, some just did to escape from staying in the lower class of the society but those numbers left are pretty much bigger than those who are able to change. 
But if you are talking about opportunities, there are more opportunities for rich people. That makes poor people become hopeless and just be contented with what they've got.
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August 13, 2021, 09:03:19 AM
The main factor to change and rise from poverty is struggle and hard work. Although this is very hard for the poor and takes longer, learning discipline and analyzing the lifestyle of the rich in economic terms is very much needed. Sometimes we have to make a decision that is beyond our capabilities, and we are not even sure about it. But the space and hard work put in will definitely have an impact either directly or indirectly.
A poor man can become rich only if he is willing to try to create his own opportunities.

Working hard obviously does have its benefits, but if someone wants to get out of poverty, then he should be working smartly as well. The problem is that a large fraction of the poor people are OK with the status quo. They work 12-14 hours per day, and supplement their income with government handouts. But they don't realize that if they put some effort in improving their skill set, then their salary may go up by manitimes. And many of the employers also don't want that, since they are afraid of losing cheap labour.
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August 13, 2021, 06:54:37 AM
If the people in control is always trying to put down the public and then blaming them that it's their fault then the mentality will stay there, they didn't ask for the situation that they were born in and it's not like they're lazy, it's just that no matter how hard they work, the people who make money the most are those at the top.
That's right, some people are poor not because they're lazy but becauuse their governments failed them, they cared more about the things that will increase their influence rather than going to the root of the problem. And to the people that thinks that it's all about mentality, you have never experienced poverty before and how being poor keeps you in that line, you are privileged so you can't speak like they can just do what you're doing.

The main factor to change and rise from poverty is struggle and hard work. Although this is very hard for the poor and takes longer, learning discipline and analyzing the lifestyle of the rich in economic terms is very much needed. Sometimes we have to make a decision that is beyond our capabilities, and we are not even sure about it. But the space and hard work put in will definitely have an impact either directly or indirectly.
A poor man can become rich only if he is willing to try to create his own opportunities.
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August 13, 2021, 02:28:10 AM


The poor and the rich have different life concepts, different levels of education, and different world outlooks.
The lives of some poor people cannot be imagined by the rich. The poor want to leapfrog classes and get more resources, they have to pay more. This may be a very simple thing for the rich.
The one I saw before:

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The first generation works, sells their labour to earn a decent living, and then can afford their children’s most basic education; the second generation, with a basic education, can earn money from business and acquire more wealth to give their children an aristocratic education; The third generation had a higher education, went to work as lawyers and doctors, and became a stable, well-off middle class. From then on the family obtained the qualitative class to span.
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August 12, 2021, 03:48:56 PM
It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.

It is very difficult to increase the level of the poor, especially with the pandemic which makes money more difficult and prices of goods continue to increase, I think state policies that can make poor people can change, the main factors are education, job training and business capital that will be able to change.

This pandemic has triggered many things, including for some middle class people they have fallen completely to the lower class, because their jobs were compromised and many companies closed liquidating each worker, this supposes a total failure in the particular economies of many, and Looking for work in a pandemic was not an option, some companies with more economic power have been able to survive by keeping their workers through online platforms, or simply by working from home, however many depidos have been triggered.

Of course some people have been able to take advantage and their status has improved from middle to upper class since they have been able to start businesses taking advantage of their savings, although I know that the percentage is very minimal.

Even myself had really gone down when it comes to financial status since my business was mainly affected and it did really affect my income which in result to hardship.
For mentality aspect then it didnt really bother me much on changing because it was never been a reason for me to change my mindset on being positive and finding ways
or alternatives to find more income or source and this is where mentality do really differ but doesnt mean that it would vary on what financial capacity you do have.
Its on the person on how he handle up himself.
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August 12, 2021, 03:40:15 PM
It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.

It is very difficult to increase the level of the poor, especially with the pandemic which makes money more difficult and prices of goods continue to increase, I think state policies that can make poor people can change, the main factors are education, job training and business capital that will be able to change.

This pandemic has triggered many things, including for some middle class people they have fallen completely to the lower class, because their jobs were compromised and many companies closed liquidating each worker, this supposes a total failure in the particular economies of many, and Looking for work in a pandemic was not an option, some companies with more economic power have been able to survive by keeping their workers through online platforms, or simply by working from home, however many depidos have been triggered.

Of course some people have been able to take advantage and their status has improved from middle to upper class since they have been able to start businesses taking advantage of their savings, although I know that the percentage is very minimal.
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August 12, 2021, 11:55:44 AM
Agree with the OP that there's definitely a mentality for poor versus rich people, a "learned helplessness" or self-fulfilling prophecy that poor people have.  This doesn't mean that being rich and entitled automatically leads to success -- if put in an enivronment with bad opportunities, the rich may not succeed either.
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August 12, 2021, 11:48:31 AM
If the people in control is always trying to put down the public and then blaming them that it's their fault then the mentality will stay there, they didn't ask for the situation that they were born in and it's not like they're lazy, it's just that no matter how hard they work, the people who make money the most are those at the top.
That's right, some people are poor not because they're lazy but becauuse their governments failed them, they cared more about the things that will increase their influence rather than going to the root of the problem. And to the people that thinks that it's all about mentality, you have never experienced poverty before and how being poor keeps you in that line, you are privileged so you can't speak like they can just do what you're doing.
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August 12, 2021, 11:42:14 AM
we must realize that poverty is unlikely to be eliminated. But we can do something to reduce poverty. In addition to the role of the government, we really have to help each other, by providing skills, education and health, I think this is the initial solution, but for all of this it requires a process, which cannot be done instantly.

That's true! We can't eradicate poverty but at least we can do something to reduce it. Sometimes, people unable to get out of poverty because of their narrow outlook on life and they are content with being poor but if we can help them to educate themselves, I think their mentality will be change. It’s hard but if you can help even one person to get out of poverty, it’s going to be a huge thing.

But on the other hand, everything is balance. Even then, there has been poverty. IF everyone is rich, who will do that work that only the poor can do? Who will work for the rich?
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August 12, 2021, 11:29:36 AM
Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life. For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs, avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

In a preppy school, where most of the students are rich-born, the conversation is quite different. Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos.

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.

I somehow agree with some of your statement. I was raised in a middle class family where studying is a priority. In school we are taught how to follow rules and regulations and for me its a preparation for us to become a good workers. We are taught and being mold to become workers and not to reach the highs. It is hard to fight back in this manipulation by governments, its like we are destined to work for others and not for our own selves. By this, it's just a matter of dedication and skills to set free to these chains and build your own legacy. It's up to us whether we work for others or we work for our own company.
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August 12, 2021, 07:19:55 AM
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It was being said that poor people become poorer while rich people become richer. The mentality of the people matters in their status of life, like if your rich will simply think that you have to use your money to be richer, while the lower class will be just satisfied with what they've got today and never make a dream to become rich.
It is really hard to reverse the situation but if we wanted to have a change, it must be started by ourselves and with some kind of determination.
That's the mentality that keeps the poor poorer, we always think that if they just work harder and efficient, that they will be able to change their life, no it won't. We are too privileged to know that this world is unfair to the weak and poor. It's hard to reverse the situation when people like you think this way, that the only way to change is for the people to change their mentality, remember that there are people that are the victim of circumstances.
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August 12, 2021, 07:05:38 AM
Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Handing out freebies can never be a perfect solution. If zakat could resolve the issue of poverty, then there should not be any poor people in countries like Somalia and Sudan. That is not the case. Also, the 2.5% wealth tax is a bit on the higher side, especially if this is done on top of regular income tax. So instead of handouts, I would argue in favor of giving education and skill training for the poor. Handouts will last only for a few days. But the education and skills are permanent and will stay with these people for their entire life and help them to find a proper job.
we must realize that poverty is unlikely to be eliminated. But we can do something to reduce poverty. In addition to the role of the government, we really have to help each other, by providing skills, education and health, I think this is the initial solution, but for all of this it requires a process, which cannot be done instantly.

Yes, the government should provide employment and education, but not only the government, but also the people, must do so. Because the government cannot meet all of the requests from its citizens, we must help and give to one another. There are people who are fortunate right now because they are wealthy, but some of them are not giving back to their communities. If everyone gave and provided something, I believe poverty would be reduced, but not eliminated.
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August 12, 2021, 06:13:36 AM
we must realize that poverty is unlikely to be eliminated. But we can do something to reduce poverty. In addition to the role of the government, we really have to help each other, by providing skills, education and health, I think this is the initial solution, but for all of this it requires a process, which cannot be done instantly.

How can you be so sure that poverty can't be eliminated? have you checked the situation in China? During the last two decades, they managed to completely eradicate extreme poverty. Wealth disparity will exist forever, because the population doesn't have the same skill set. But it is 100% possible to eliminate extreme poverty. And I don't agree with your argument that it is our duty to help the poor. The income tax levels are going up with every passing year, and in many countries the marginal tax rates have touched 60% mark. And it is not fair to ask someone who pays 60% tax on his salary, to further take out some money to help others.
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August 12, 2021, 12:04:08 AM
Education only teaches us about rules, discipline, how to behave, build dreams, doesn't make us rich, only a means of bridge to success. Education here is very important whether it's a school for the rich or poor but does not determine one's fate. They can be successful and rich because of themselves, their efforts and never ending prayers.

Here in my country we treat education as a special factor or a special ticket to get a good job, education taught me how to become a good citizen, obey rules and regulation and be a good employer but as I remember in my 16 years of education up to my college days all that the education instructor taught is to become a good employer but never have had tell to become a good investor or businessman. I've been born and raised in a poor family which my parents instill in my younger mind to finished my studies to get a good job but they never told me to finish my study and get rich. But now those advices that I've gained from my parents and environment has now changed, i am still struggling in life but at least changing my mind set from my younger self I treat it as a good start for a new beginning.

I see what you are saying but another problem I notice with our current education system is the massive streamlining of everything. There is not enough flexibility and also insufficient individual programs. Yes I know there are thousands of programs by now, but everyone has a very specific set of talents. Yet people are sitting with 600 or even more in one room listening to the same stuff over and over again for decades. The only thing that often changes in the professor's presentation is the date in the top right corner, not the content.
I think you are right that essential stuff like investing and taxes aren't taught at all although everyone faces it from very early on. Picking the right insurances, saving money and many more things that are essential to a content life are not part of the educational schedule.
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August 11, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Handing out freebies can never be a perfect solution. If zakat could resolve the issue of poverty, then there should not be any poor people in countries like Somalia and Sudan. That is not the case. Also, the 2.5% wealth tax is a bit on the higher side, especially if this is done on top of regular income tax. So instead of handouts, I would argue in favor of giving education and skill training for the poor. Handouts will last only for a few days. But the education and skills are permanent and will stay with these people for their entire life and help them to find a proper job.
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