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So you're objections is with the fact that the amounts of CBD, THC, whatever, is not measurable from dose to dose?  So if labs tested and measured these levels, so a consistent dosage could be derived, sans synthesis, you'd be ok with it?

And why is medicine not medicine, wherever it is?  Are you saying that the only medicine that can be called medicine are those that are approved by our government?  A government with insurance and RX industries being the top two lobbying parties in terms of money spent per year?  I'm sure you'd understand why I'm not alway seeing eye to eye with our government "medicine" standards.

-Fuse

Politics has little to do with intelligence or fact finding.  The main reason politicians are willing to allow CBD to sneak through is that it is the path of least resistance.  If the politicians were trying to actually solve a problem they'd end the drug war.  But clearly they are not trying to do that, they prefer to keep the status quo.  Instead they are proclaiming to be willing to satisfy the growing medical marijuana movement without having to actually legalize pot.  

CBD comes from HEMP and WEED but THC only comes from WEED.  So the politicians can legalize the hemp without legalizing the "evil" THC.  Further, there are lobbiests coming out of Denver who are attempting to get all politicians on the CBD wagon and off the THC wagon because they want to control the recreational marijuana market.

Imagine if you were the largest producer of marijuana in Colorado (say you did $50 million last year).  Would it make sense to open recreational stores and production facilities all around the country or instead just get all the other 49 states to keep pot illegal while they "study CBD"?


Don't misunderstand me, I like weed.  I am a fan of recreational weed and with a handful of friends we passed recreational marijuana laws in our county.  Marijuana is powerful, but it's effects are inconsistent from strain to strain and patient to patient and for that reason alone is cannot be called medicine.

In fact I love weed soooo much I am in the process of building the largest marijuana production facility in the world.

Two shots of whiskey, while not prescribed by modern doctors, is a measurable (titratable) amount of medicine and it has a specific effect in any who take such medicine.

A joint, for all the reason's I've laid out, is not medicine.  It is not measurable, it has an inconsistent effect based on a number of things.  Even the same strain will not have the same effect from patient to patient.

>Medicine is anything that helps someone get better.  Simple as that.

No it's hardly that simple.  If it were then the snake oil claims would have no basis.  The snake oil claims hold water specifically because marijuana and it's extracts are not in any way shape or form "medicine".  I am differentiating between eastern and western "medicine".  As I pointed out the Chinese call rhino horn medicine, we in the west do not because it has not been tested to do what it is alleged to do.

I prefer the scientific method to claims by witch-doctors.  Even Gupta does not claim CBD is medicine, he claims that studying it may lead to the development of a medicine. 

I'm starting to wonder if you just have some personal vendetta against MMJ.  Two shots of whiskey is medicine, but a joint isn't?  I don't see the rationale behind that.

Dronabinol(correct spelling if we're talking education) is indeed a medicine.  But saying CBD isn't just because it isn't created in a pharmaceutical lab and sold for hundreds of dollars by RX fraudsters is pretty close minded.  Chinese drink horse penis tea for god sake, and they have been claiming that is medicine for far longer than the US has even been around.

Medicine is anything that helps someone get better.  Simple as that.

MMJ without a doubt helped me.  If CBD oils can give me the same relief that MMJ can without the impairment of clarity, I'm willing to try it.

-Fuse

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If they are unsubstantiated, why are lawmakers going out of their way to allow it for use as a medicine for children?  There would have had to have been some kind of research done to prove that they were in fact beneficial in treating ailments.

You are making unsubstantiated claims.  This is EXACTLY the reason the FDA and USDA exist.  Uneducated people, like yourself, cannot make unsubstantiated claims.  You are breaking SEVERAL federal laws by making such false and misleading statements.


Produce: 
1) lab results substantiating your specious claim  (or send me a sample, I'll test it myself)
2) the pending patent.  You claim "the manufacturer" (RSHO no doubt) has some proprietary technology, well where is it?  Surely they filed a provisional patent at least, right?  What's the filing number?

You will never produce the above because you are a shyster and a flim-flam artist AKA a CON MAN.


YOU ARE A SNAKE OIL SALESPERSON

Well, here, let me edumacate you:

For what it's worth MMJ is not medicine today nor has it ever been.  It has medicinal qualities and it is rightly categorized a "Narcotic" and a "Psychotropic" but because it has so many components and it's effects vary so much from plant to plant and person to person you just can't call it medicine.  Aspirin is medicine.  Two shots of whiskey is medicine.  A joint is not and never will be.  In fact the whole MMJ idea was a ruse by a spinoff group from NORML who wanted to legalize use, they saw the "medicinal" approach as the best approach to accomplish their long term goals.

CBD is one of hundreds of components of marijuana.  Like THC it is likely that when extracted, or synthesized, much of the intended effect will be lost.  Drabinol (synthetic THC) does not create the munchies that pot does.  Drabinol is medicine though whereas pot is not.

One day CBD might become medicine or, more likely, a synthetic version of it may become medicine.  Today it is just a magic elixer that may or may not do things that people think it does do.  Always keep in mind the most powerful medicine in the world is a placebo.



more reading:

"I am tired of so called CBD companies claiming that what they provide is medicine. Anyone using a CBD from hemp product please be aware of what you’re actually getting because it is not what you think. "
http://weedactivist.com/2014/02/23/snake-oil-history-repeats-itself/

"On a semi-quick search of bcd oil, a couple of companies show up offering CBD that is tested and certified for its purity. There are many retailers selling these companies products and, from what I’ve read, several selling unverified snake oil that isn’t helping anyone."
http://photoflystudios.wordpress.com/

"i was going to link to these snake oil salesmen, but after investigating these products, they arent worth linking to."
http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/45249-snake-oil-hucksters/

Viceroy... what's the recommended dosage for MMJ?  It varies from person to person.  CBD compounds have been touted by many researchers, doctors and patients as the key to MMJ medicines.  Hell even that Sanjay Gupta guy thought so in his "Weed" documentary.  North Carolina lawmakers signed a bill allowing CBD oils as a medicine for epilepsy in the state(http://www.wncn.com/story/25814880/house-committee-approves-medicinal-cannabis-oil).  Doctors in Kentucky are prescribing it(meaning a medicinal treatment) for children who suffer from seizures(http://www.whas11.com/news/2-Ky-research-hospitals-can-prescribe-medical-CBD-oil-253310851.html).  There are numerous other articles, papers, reports, documentaries that claim it is a viable medicine.

I think your snake oil claims might be a little off on this, mate.

-Fuse

Edit to your edit:


Again, what's the recommend dose for MMJ?  As an herbal remedy, there isn't one.  What works for some, may not work for others.  And why would anyone want it artificially synthesized in a lab if you can obtain it from a naturally/organically grown plant?  That's kind of counter-intuitive to the whole herbal medicine idea, isn't it?

And if people follow your logic, MMJ is snake oil as well.  Is that what you're saying?  Because nothing else helped me with my anxiety and insomnia without making me feel like a complete zombie the next day or while taking it.  Even tylonol PM.  Knocks me out fine and I sleep through the night, but I can't wake up the next day.  Don't get me started on the anti-anxiety drugs I've been prescribed, and the numerous additional drugs that I had to take to counter the side effects of those.

The prescription drug industry is a fucking snake oil market.

Dear "person",

 Are you suggesting your CBD oil is medicine?  If so what is it to be used for and what is the dosage recommendation?

ps. I am the biggest advocate for recreational marijuana ever to exist on planet earth.  You, however, are selling non-tested medicine to "make a buck" with no original research or even a factual basis for your erroneous statement that your CBD oil has 30% CBD content.  The fact of the matter is that most of the "legal" hemp product on the market comes from seed press extractions which pass almost no CBD into the virgin supply oil.

Do you hold a patent on a process to extract this, alleged, CBD oil?
What is the method by which you acquire this, alleged, CBD oil?
What is the country of origin and where are you based?
What is your DEA import/export number for this product in the USA?

What is your expertise, I can't imagine you have a PhD, is your real name Dr. Snarlpill?


  

Yes all "hemp oils" are essentially "rick simpson oils" and if they were effective medicine they would be titratable.  There is quite a difference in that Rick Simpson used marijuana, not hemp, and as a result his oils contain THC.  Many people swear THC is necessary to make the CBD effective.  People swear that rhinoceros horn gives you an erection, too, but that does not make any of it actual "medicine".

Until this "medicine" is supplied in consistent form (probably synthetic) and has suggested dosages and is tested and proven to combat some particular illness it is snake oil and persons suggesting it is some sort of miracle cure are either delusional or don't follow the scientific method.  Either way any hawker of CBD oil, who has no original scientific research, is no different than a 19th century charlatan.

Excuse Me? A "snake oil salesperson" that should be hung? A Thief?

CBD (or cannabidiol) actually has been the subject of Numerous health studies (by governments and scholarly medical journals, among many others), and it is found to be efficient for a wide variety of symptoms/ailments. It has been proven to have anti-anxiety effects, anti-depressive effects, as well as being an anti-inflammatory, reducing cancer cells, being an above-average treatment for schizophrenic patients, as well as a treatment for- chronic pain, epilepsy, PTSD, heart disease, antibiotic-resistant infections, and many more positive health effects than that.

Made from "hemp seeds that contain VERY little oil"? All of our CBD oils contain 30mg of CBD-rich hemp oil. This is a measured fact.
This is coming from new proprietary technology allowing the manufacturers to extract a stronger dosage of CBD, while completely leaving out the THC. You have not seen CBD oil like this previously. If you say you have- you have not.

You can spout some BS if you wish, but the science is there, the studies are there, and the positive health effects of cannabidiol on our bodies and minds are there. Please, go educate yourself with some research.

And I am very surprised to hear someone (who sounds like a 1930's era Pot-prohibitionist) badmouthing CBD unnecessarily in a thread about a Marijuana-based coin.

snarlpill

I could be wrong in my assumption, but essentially what he's selling is just Rick Simpson oil, is it not?  A lot of people swear by that stuff.  All the beneficial effects of medicating without the mind altering experience of THC heavy meds.  I'd honestly like to try it out to see if it helps with my anxiety and insomnia.

Mind you, I'm not versed in all this crazy new age stuff like dabbing and vapes.  Back in the day a vape was a 2 liter and 2 butter knives heated up on the stove.

-Fuse

No, I imagine the reason you got "yelled at" is because you are attempting to sell a product that has no efficacy for any known symptom, plus it's untested, plus it's made from hemp seeds which contain VERY little oil.   

Snake oil salespeople like you should be hung in the town square.  You are no more than a thief.

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