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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2024, 11:56:33 AM

I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

In the Premier League there is Manchester City working like a perfect machine, Manchester United or any other team will always have very little chance. Arteta did great things for two seasons but in the end he lost. They'd have a better chance if they started by lobbying Pep to send him elsewhere... :)

I hope Ruben Amorim gives a chance to the players that ETH doesn't play. ETH seemed to have a personal bias against Altay Bayındır. Under Ruben Amorim footballers like Altay Bayındır might get a chance...

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Quote from: ITExpert on October 29, 2024, 06:38:40 AM

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There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea

In the match between Newcastle and Arsenal, I see Arsenal better. But during the match Newcastle can win the match by scoring more goals due to their good performance. So we should not consider Newcastle as weak even though their record is not that special. In the match between Liverpool and Brighton, Liverpool is the stronger team, because of which Brighton will lose. But if Brighton play well and defend yourself, you can draw the match but not win.

The this coming weekend match won’t be easy for some teams, because they will be a tough matches in upcoming weekend which expecting those matches should be a tough competition, but for the Arsenal I don’t think they will find their match difficult to win: Because I’m seeing a Newcastle as a weak team even all though we should not consider them as a weak team, I don’t think they able to defeat Arsenal that can be possible.

Because I can see most of this upcoming weekend match mostly is the strong team are going to meet with the weak team, Even Liverpool and Brighton the match will not that difficult for Liverpool but let wait and see what Can actually happened in the weekend; since according to people that Brighton always make an powerful performance when they meet with strong teams.

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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

Somehow you're making a valid point but on the other hand it doesn't really depend on the size of the league where the coach comes from because even Jose Mourinho was brought in from the Portuguese league where he was incharge of FC Porto and he did very well with Chelsea winning some titles. I think we should rather focus on what the coach can offer, let's wait and see what his own football philosophy would look like, let's see if he would be the kind of coach that would discipline his players and also create a team that would turn out to be champions rather than worry about where he comes from.

It is not actually nice making some fast conclusion about a new coach that is yet to start work for the club he must have been assigned to manage. It is only bad and to think of a coach less since he hasn’t showcased what he’s capable of doing for the success of the club. The premier league is indeed more intense than the Portuguese league he’s currently managing a club in, but it doesn’t mean he won’t perform well if he comes to the premier league to manage a team. Such was Kompany spoke lowly of, but today he has been doing tremendously well for the Bayern Munich team and could continue of this success path till the end of the season. We just have to wait to see what he can do for Manchester United before we can make conclusions.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on October 30, 2024, 02:40:11 AM

The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

Somehow you're making a valid point but on the other hand it doesn't really depend on the size of the league where the coach comes from because even Jose Mourinho was brought in from the Portuguese league where he was incharge of FC Porto and he did very well with Chelsea winning some titles. I think we should rather focus on what the coach can offer, let's wait and see what his own football philosophy would look like, let's see if he would be the kind of coach that would discipline his players and also create a team that would turn out to be champions rather than worry about where he comes from.

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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on October 30, 2024, 05:39:58 AM

Quote from: Silence Scream on October 30, 2024, 02:40:11 AM

The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.

Manchester United won’t settle for less in my opinion. With the money they’ve spent in the transfer window, it is very evident that they won’t want to get anything less than been great from the new coach. If he doesn’t have that quality as a manager to help peopel Manchester United in the league title fight, they won’t even consider to bring him in because it’ll just be a total waste of time and effort to them. They deserve more than what they got from Ten Hag after renewing his contract and buying players to add strength more to the team. Portuguese league is not as competitive as the premier league and as you’ve said, he may find it harder to manage Manchester United in this condition that the premier league is in now, he may fell to make them better even though he might not give them anything less than what Ten Hag did for them in the league before he was sacked.

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There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea

I agree with your opinion about the Arsenal and Liverpool matches with their opponents, and I will continue my opinion about the Tottenham vs Aston Villa match. I see Aston Villa has better abilities than Tottenham, but Tottenham as the home team will not let Aston Villa take home full points. The possibility of a draw is very large because Aston Villa is struggling with the top of the standings to keep playing consistently, while for Manchester United vs Chelsea I think Chelsea will beat this club which is in an unbalanced performance, especially after receiving news about Ten Hag's sudden dismissal, it must have made the players' mentality uncontrollable.

The match of Arsenal full strength team and Liverpool full strength team was good match and we enjoyed this match and that was two handed match and all players participated in this game by doing their effort for their team. No player was prominent in this match who can claim the player of the match. Anyway ,stats was in the favour of Liverpool team and they did well in all things and gave more passes and pass accuracy of that team was brilliant.Man United is good team as comparison to chelsea team because players of Man united team are full confident and they are ready to win this match but Chelsea recent performance is outclass.

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Quote from: Palakka on October 30, 2024, 11:19:42 AM

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Amorim has managed to bring a lot of positive changes to Sporting Lisbon's performance so far and with his coaching ability has actually made Sporting Lisbon a dominating team in the Portuguese league, so I think he has great potential to bring positive changes to Manchester United later, He is has proven himself as a smart and adaptive coach at Sporting Lisbon, so with his ability to develop young players and maximize the resources that are there can be a lot of benefit for the Red Devils to rise again in premier league later , I totally agree with what you said, if the fierce competition and high pressure could be a tough test for Amorim at manchester United later, but even so, with his flexible tactical approach and his ability to adapt quickly, there is certainly a greater chance that we can see from his can to bring United in a better direction later.

Yesterday after it was confirmed that Ruben Amorim was going to be the next permanent manager of Manchester United, I read a reaction from a sports journalist who jokingly said that "With the arrival of Amorim, Pep Guardiola is now the second best manager in the English Premier League" and that I think explains how the Portuguese manager is valued. Despite being a young manager, he's proven to be very experienced and tactically incredible with intimidating records. I hope he brings the much anticipated exciting football that Manchester United fans have lacked since the club's legendary former manager Sir Alex Ferguson retired.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on October 30, 2024, 05:39:58 AM

Quote from: Silence Scream on October 30, 2024, 02:40:11 AM

The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.

Amorim has managed to bring a lot of positive changes to Sporting Lisbon's performance so far and with his coaching ability has actually made Sporting Lisbon a dominating team in the Portuguese league, so I think he has great potential to bring positive changes to Manchester United later, He is has proven himself as a smart and adaptive coach at Sporting Lisbon, so with his ability to develop young players and maximize the resources that are there can be a lot of benefit for the Red Devils to rise again in premier league later , I totally agree with what you said, if the fierce competition and high pressure could be a tough test for Amorim at manchester United later, but even so, with his flexible tactical approach and his ability to adapt quickly, there is certainly a greater chance that we can see from his can to bring United in a better direction later.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on October 30, 2024, 02:40:11 AM

The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

The Portuguese league is important but it's actually not competitive as the English Premier League, besides there's heavy form of differences when we're siting these similarities. Erik Ten Hag couldn't deliver the job, more reason he's been relieved from his managerial role, now we looked at the board trying to securing another coach to do the proper job of the former one. Bringing in Ruben Amorim to England for what exactly? Manchester United have targets this season and bringing in another manager that handles the average league is everything that matters for the club? Manchester United scouting list doesn't exert their tasks properly because there's more to accomplish.

If Manchester United succeeds in signing Ruben Amorim as headcoach for the club, I guessed the club and supporters should give him more time, because it's definitely not going to be an easy run as usual. The high intensity of pressure and expectations from him wouldn't suit in the picture, more to accomplish for the manager but they should placed all hope on the presented game strategy of the new boss when he arrives at Old Trafford.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on October 30, 2024, 02:40:11 AM

The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

When Liverpool went to recruit Arne Slot after Klopp retired as manager, that was what everyone assumed. Since Liverpool had to hire a new manager from a small league, many predicted that the team would have a tough season. However, the Premier League has more challenges than the other leagues. But Arne Slot proved us wrong that it makes no difference whether you choose a manager from a small league, the manager's experience will determine the outcome, Arne Slot and Ten Hag were hired from the same league, and Ten Hag didn't win many games in his first season as Slot, Liverpool has only lost one game since the start of the season.

Furthermore; his current team has yet to lose a league or Champions League match this season, I don't think Manchester United is making any mistakes by considering Amorim over other managers. I think it's a good idea for Manchester United to hire a young, talented manager like Rúben Amorim, I hope the deal gets done quickly because it will be exciting to watch the young manager lead Manchester United.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on October 30, 2024, 05:39:58 AM

Quote from: Silence Scream on October 30, 2024, 02:40:11 AM

The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.

I heard the same things when ETH was appointed. It's not going well for him in the end, though. Although he has given Manchester United two trophies.

Let Amorim to prove his worthiness on his first season with Manchester United. Just stick to the facts. It's a different league and difficulty. The approach, gameplay, and decision-making are different, too.

Lastly, i think you were a bit unrealistic. You said he can maximize the available resources. He has yet to prove himself in the EPL. So, it's too fast to take such conclusion on him.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on October 30, 2024, 02:40:11 AM

The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.

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Quote from: ITExpert on October 29, 2024, 06:38:40 AM

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There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea

In the match between Newcastle and Arsenal, I see Arsenal better. But during the match Newcastle can win the match by scoring more goals due to their good performance. So we should not consider Newcastle as weak even though their record is not that special. In the match between Liverpool and Brighton, Liverpool is the stronger team, because of which Brighton will lose. But if Brighton play well and defend yourself, you can draw the match but not win.

I agree with your opinion about the Arsenal and Liverpool matches with their opponents, and I will continue my opinion about the Tottenham vs Aston Villa match. I see Aston Villa has better abilities than Tottenham, but Tottenham as the home team will not let Aston Villa take home full points. The possibility of a draw is very large because Aston Villa is struggling with the top of the standings to keep playing consistently, while for Manchester United vs Chelsea I think Chelsea will beat this club which is in an unbalanced performance, especially after receiving news about Ten Hag's sudden dismissal, it must have made the players' mentality uncontrollable.

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Well, Ten Hag has really changed Manchester United's culture by his own. He degraded Manchester United's culture from a winning team to the mediocrity team. One of his biggest mistakes is bringing too many Ajax players to his new club. He should have gotten a reliable, experienced player. That was unacceptable.

After Manchester United fired Ten Hag, they hired a new manager, Amorim. This also clarifies that the rumor about Ruud joining Manchester United is fake.

They may be undergoing a new transformation under Amorim.

Sacking Erik Ten Hag was the proper decision taken by the team's board? Yes because he couldn't explore handling decisive actions of the club interms of improvement, which was very poor. Erik Ten Hag brought horrible results for such elite club status and you expects the fans to be happy about the whole situation? He's one coach that have singlehandedly ruined things at Old Trafford, watched Manchester United league home games and you will be shocked with the level of mediocre performance exhibited by the team. Rúben Amorim is leading on the list when we're talking about coaches that are securely provided with margineable means. He's brave enough to handle his new role, it's all just a matter of time to see the new boss parading in Old Trafford.

The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

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Quote from: asriloni on October 29, 2024, 10:03:56 PM

Well, Ten Hag has really changed Manchester United's culture by his own. He degraded Manchester United's culture from a winning team to the mediocrity team. One of his biggest mistakes is bringing too many Ajax players to his new club. He should have gotten a reliable, experienced player. That was unacceptable.

After Manchester United fired Ten Hag, they hired a new manager, Amorim. This also clarifies that the rumor about Ruud joining Manchester United is fake.

They may be undergoing a new transformation under Amorim.

Sacking Erik Ten Hag was the proper decision taken by the team's board? Yes because he couldn't explore handling decisive actions of the club interms of improvement, which was very poor. Erik Ten Hag brought horrible results for such elite club status and you expects the fans to be happy about the whole situation? He's one coach that have singlehandedly ruined things at Old Trafford, watched Manchester United league home games and you will be shocked with the level of mediocre performance exhibited by the team. Rúben Amorim is leading on the list when we're talking about coaches that are securely provided with margineable means. He's brave enough to handle his new role, it's all just a matter of time to see the new boss parading in Old Trafford.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on October 28, 2024, 12:40:38 PM

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Finally Erik Ten Hag packs his bags 🎒, which was long over due!!

You know the second he was only scouting for players from his old camp was mistake number 1 & a recipe for disaster, and all managers should learn from this!!! One Two players is okay but going for over 4 players to join United cemented Manchester united to be just an average club, am hoping Ruud will does a better job in transforming this United side that has even forgotten how to win, worse off how to celebrate 🥳 goals Roll Eyes

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I did not like that Erik Ten Hag was recruiting players from his old club. You could tell that he was emotionally attached to his old club and league. Manchester United overlooked what could have been the sign that this manager was not planning on continuing the Manchester United culture but rather create his own. I’m skeptical of Ruud Van Nistelrooy, he won’t be a better manager and cannot be left in charge for too long. Manchester United must have a list of potential managers that they are talking to before sacking Ten Hag.

Well, Ten Hag has really changed Manchester United's culture by his own. He degraded Manchester United's culture from a winning team to the mediocrity team. One of his biggest mistakes is bringing too many Ajax players to his new club. He should have gotten a reliable, experienced player. That was unacceptable.

After Manchester United fired Ten Hag, they hired a new manager, Amorim. This also clarifies that the rumor about Ruud joining Manchester United is fake.

They may be undergoing a new transformation under Amorim.

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Quote from: hahay on October 29, 2024, 02:04:43 PM

Maybe it would be a good choice, although basically Rúben Amorim even since he was a player to become a coach only focused on the Portuguese league. Interestingly, Rúben Amorim is a player who used to come from the Benfica academy, but since Rúben Amorim retired and had a coaching career that Rúben Amorim is no longer tied to Benfica. But yes, even though Rúben Amorim only has a career in the Portuguese League but Rúben Amorim also at least managed to make Sporting get some trophies and that is a good achievement there too. Although when he becomes the manager of Manchester United later at least it is still not a guarantee that Rúben Amorim will succeed, but maybe this choice will be good and right to make Manchester United recover.

No body actually knows who will be successful at a certain club or not, and it is not a guarantee that going even after world best coaches can guarantee you success the only thing is to simply just do your findings and see if the coach coming suits the profile of football the club wants play and then they hire him and see if he could deliver. In this case Manchester United had options like even sticking with Ruud Van Nistrooy for the main time, or going for top heads like Xavi and their likes who had once managed the elite clubs in the past or even go back to their past coaches but they simply choose to go for a manager that you and I know is one of the most exciting talents in the world football now.

Personally I would have prefer someone else or better still Ruud taking over but regardless Ruben Amorim is not a bad choice but something United fans need to know his he can’t simply just place them at the top immediately it might take him sometime to do that and what they owe him is a total support and not more

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on October 28, 2024, 03:27:39 PM

There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea

A match that is hard to miss and surely everyone can't wait for the MU match that will face Chelsea.
And in my opinion the result will be like this,

Arsenal win
Liverpool win
Aston Villa win or draw
Chelsea win

Newcastle currently has a better appearance than last season and also has the opportunity to be able to perform perfectly at home. But the fact is that Arsenal also has a better quality squad and can produce a victory.
And for Liverpool, actually in the upcoming match, the two teams Liverpool and Brighton will meet in the EFL match and the result can be our prediction.
Furthermore, for Chelsea victory, I have to apologize to Man United because they are currently experiencing a bad situation and Chelsea will take this opportunity to get full points.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 29, 2024, 01:00:14 PM

I just read that Manchester United finally lost their patience and are letting Ten Hag go.
I don't think there's a single person surprised by that news. If anything, I'm surprised it took them that long.

This is an old news because many Manchester United fans has celebrated this since yesterday because it is something very good. The team made the right decision to sack him, I even feel that it is too late because he has overstayed, and this time he spent has ruin the team, he has no tactics as he used to say and he is a bad coach that can’t use the players he has to get a better result for his team.

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Apparently Man Utd are making a move on Ruben Amorim, who currently coaches Sporting Lisbon (since 2020). Sporting has confirmed that Man Utd made an enquiry and are willing to pay 10 million Euro release clause:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm20egmde2lo

I heard that the deal between Manchester United and Ruben Amorim is a done deal according to Fabrizio Romano, but it is not yet official. We hope Ruben Amorim will make the team better and make the team more competitive, and even though we know that it’s too late for them to contest for the title race, he can make the team to get top four and even make them more better in the Europa League.

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