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Quote from: hahay on December 05, 2024, 03:35:20 PM

If Nunez is able to be more productive then Liverpool will probably always manage to win every match, especially in this Premier League so far Nunez only has two goals and that is a bad result as a center forward. Because what will be a serious consideration is, if for example Salah really leaves at the end of this season, then maybe it will greatly affect Liverpool's performance next season. So, I think Liverpool really have to have a good plan of course, because if Liverpool fail to have productive players in the front line, then Liverpool will be difficult to be able to compete for trophies for future seasons if Salah leaves.

Nunez is a hopeless case in my opinion. At least as long as he plays at Liverpool or stays in the Premier League. Sad

Because he just can't break a leg. You would remember the way he was playing in Portugal. But he can't adapt to this league no matter how hard he tries to. I believe Arne Slot should cut him from the starting lineup. He doesn't deserve it.

Liverpool can easily find a much better striker than Nunez by selling him and using the money for the transfer. Maybe going for Osimhen could be an option? He is available for 75 million euros from now on.

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If Nunez is able to be more productive then Liverpool will probably always manage to win every match, especially in this Premier League so far Nunez only has two goals and that is a bad result as a center forward. Because what will be a serious consideration is, if for example Salah really leaves at the end of this season, then maybe it will greatly affect Liverpool's performance next season. So, I think Liverpool really have to have a good plan of course, because if Liverpool fail to have productive players in the front line, then Liverpool will be difficult to be able to compete for trophies for future seasons if Salah leaves.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on December 05, 2024, 02:02:46 PM

Quote from: KingsDen on December 04, 2024, 03:29:18 PM

I am not watching the match between Newcastle and Liverpool, rather I am facing my television for the match between Arsenal and Manchester United. Ask you rightly predicted, Liverpool is struggling to make a headway under Newcastle and they already have one goal against them. Liverpool being able to win tonight means that they will have to first equalize the goal against them by Newcastle before they will now talk about scoring another good to give them a winner. On a good day that is not a difficult job for Liverpool but things are actually not going as planned in this season English Premier League so it will be a bit tough for Liverpool for equalize and win Newcastle United.

I also decided to watch the Arsenal - Manchester United game and after that terrible first half I realized it was a bad choice. Tongue

Because meanwhile Newcastle - Liverpool game was just going on incredibly well! After a huge fight there was a 3-3 score at the end. Despite Salah's high effort Liverpool failed to win.

By the way I shouldn't go hard on the Arsenal game of course because the 2nd half was great thanks to Arsenal's wonderful football. Such a deserved win there.

I want not that much focus on the Arsenal and Manchester United game because I know no matter what, Arsenal will definitely win the game, which they did.

Although yesterday they had many hot games that I wanted to watch, I was not even able to focus on a single game, but I had to be changing each of the games within minutes so that I would be able to see their performance. The only game that I saw that was so tough was that of Liverpool and Newcastle; they had put a lot of effort into that game, and they played with the last of their ability, but still the game ended in a draw. Although it is better than they shout, they lost the game against Newcastle, and no doubt both the teams played an amazing game last night.

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Quote from: hyudien on December 05, 2024, 01:20:39 PM

Wasn't Ruud Van Nistelrooy only a temporary coach at Man United from the start? So there no need to take it personally when he left because his job was done and there was no contract that he would be made a permanent coach. Now as a coach who is just starting his career and getting Leicester City is not bad. Many great coaches now start with unknown clubs. Ruud Van Nistelrooy journey is still long, let him make his own way. Whether he fails or not with Leicester City depends on him.

Ruud Van Nistelrooy performance was very short and the time he did, the result were outstanding as there was no loss in any of the match he played during the short time. However, I think the immediate replacement of Erik Ten Hag contributed to how the players turn up in his games and now, the players are tired so Amorim is now in the right spot to make their players great again, I'm not sure if Ruud Van Nistelrooy that has been playing all this while wouldn't have lose match, the boys need some serious adjustments.

It's okay to lose on a regular games but losing consistently is the bad thing we don't want to see. On a regular day, Arsenal might not be that great team like it were in the last 2 seasons but they are in every good standing invasion to beat Manchester United, it was their home match, no way it's expected of them to lose and they are also in good race to porsue Liverpool to the first place and try as much as possible to leave Manchester City in the back.

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Quote from: KingsDen on December 04, 2024, 03:29:18 PM

I am not watching the match between Newcastle and Liverpool, rather I am facing my television for the match between Arsenal and Manchester United. Ask you rightly predicted, Liverpool is struggling to make a headway under Newcastle and they already have one goal against them. Liverpool being able to win tonight means that they will have to first equalize the goal against them by Newcastle before they will now talk about scoring another good to give them a winner. On a good day that is not a difficult job for Liverpool but things are actually not going as planned in this season English Premier League so it will be a bit tough for Liverpool for equalize and win Newcastle United.

I also decided to watch the Arsenal - Manchester United game and after that terrible first half I realized it was a bad choice. Tongue

Because meanwhile Newcastle - Liverpool game was just going on incredibly well! After a huge fight there was a 3-3 score at the end. Despite Salah's high effort Liverpool failed to win.

By the way I shouldn't go hard on the Arsenal game of course because the 2nd half was great thanks to Arsenal's wonderful football. Such a deserved win there.

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Quote from: JiiBs on December 05, 2024, 08:44:17 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on December 04, 2024, 05:58:08 PM

Manchester City is finally back. What a great result against a strong team as Nottm Forest surely is. The game itself was far from perfect as we have still seen some holes in defence, but it's important they have managed to grab 3 points.
What's more, Liverpool has unexpectedly split points with Newcastle, who put up a really good fight and, I think, deserved a win but had to settle for a 3-3 draw.

So maybe it's not yet completely over for Man City. 9 points disadvantage won't be easy to make up, but it's not impossible as we still have 24 rounds to go.

I wouldn’t say back just yet. I’ll like to see how they carry on from here although, the KDB additional to the team would by some means create a resonance within the boys to gear up towards there formal glory. They’ve suffered far too many losses and this was a worthy compensation to boost their morale.

Liverpool finally got to drop points and drew with Newcastle United. It was never certain if they could win Newcastle United and they didn’t. A tough challenge it was for them, several come backs and them both had to settle with a draw. That haven’t gotten much effect on Liverpool but, could this be the start of further drops in points, who knows.

I mean, KDB being back is something major, he is of course getting older and that is why he may not contributing as much as he used to, but he is definitely looking as good as ever so far with just a single game, he added so much attacking prowess to the team and passed the ball exactly where it should go, which lead to a lot of positions for them.

In the end, we could consider City being back, obviously we can wait a bit more, but I am glad that my insist on betting them to win finally worked out, I was betting on them to win during all this time, increasing my bets, and finally got it, I knew that it would work but finally they got the win and I got my profit back. It's going to be great without a doubt.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on December 04, 2024, 05:12:41 PM

Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 04, 2024, 03:56:39 PM

I appreciate what Ruud Van Nistelrooy did, he definitely took a risk, he didn't want to be second in command or be the unwanted man and took off and resigned and got a job, it was even a risk that he would get a job, or maybe he already knew, maybe Leicester already told him that they were interested in him before Ruud Van Nistelrooy quit from UNited, I don't really know. In any case, taking on such a job is a big deal, but considering Kompany went from relegating a team here, to Bayern Munich, I feel like managing Leicester and keeping them at the league should entitle him to take on Real Madrid job next lol. I feel like if he can make the team play like this every week, there are like 6-7 teams they may not beat, but for every other team they have a good chance.

In the actual sense Ruud had no option than to resign. What do you want him do when the club had already hired a manager. He took the club as interim coach, so he was actually at the mercy of the incoming coach. Bad enough, the incoming coach was set and coming with his team of workers. So, Ruud could later work under Manchester United in the future.

Wasn't Ruud Van Nistelrooy only a temporary coach at Man United from the start? So there no need to take it personally when he left because his job was done and there was no contract that he would be made a permanent coach. Now as a coach who is just starting his career and getting Leicester City is not bad. Many great coaches now start with unknown clubs. Ruud Van Nistelrooy journey is still long, let him make his own way. Whether he fails or not with Leicester City depends on him.

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Quote from: dezoel on December 05, 2024, 11:00:09 AM

Ruud Van Nistelrooy definitely managed to do the best, and if he can keep this team at the league and away from relegation, I am pretty sure he will be offered a better role in some other team. I honestly believed that they won't be doing that great, I didn't expect a win, and I also believed that Ruud should have stayed at United as an assistant manager for Amorim as well, because he knows United, he is very well versed with teams staff, and players, and could have been a better position for him.

When he left, I thought that was a bad decision for him because I believed he wouldn't find a good job, and when he accepted Leicester job, I said that was a bad move too, because it looked like he would just lose most games and be sad, but turns out, I was wrong and he is doing fine right now. I assume that he won't be able to win majority of the games, but as long as he wins enough to stay around where they are, and not relegate, he will be seen as a saviour for the club.

Indeed, anybody that is doubting RVN abilitity as a manager will now know that he is not just an average Manager as they thought he is, he manages PSV and the results he gots from managing the club shows he is capable of doing something great as a manager and in the short time he represent Man Utd as an interim manager he has brought a good results for them to the extent that most of the fans where not happy when he left and you can see in his first game as a Leicester city manager the boys play very well, Man Utd wants to keep him to assist amorin but he thinks he should take his own path to be a club manager rather than being a assistant in managing the club. I think Leicester will be able to win more and be in the top 10 in the premier league rather than escaping that relegation zone and if he can do that he will be considered among the best managers of the club and in the league

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 04, 2024, 05:58:08 PM

Manchester City is finally back. What a great result against a strong team as Nottm Forest surely is. The game itself was far from perfect as we have still seen some holes in defence, but it's important they have managed to grab 3 points.
What's more, Liverpool has unexpectedly split points with Newcastle, who put up a really good fight and, I think, deserved a win but had to settle for a 3-3 draw.

So maybe it's not yet completely over for Man City. 9 points disadvantage won't be easy to make up, but it's not impossible as we still have 24 rounds to go.

Did you think Manchester City was fully back, as you said? They are not weak. But suffering from bad performance, some of the players are injured. I think for us to be sure that Manchester City is back, they should win more matches; that is when we can say they are fully back and strong. Nottingham Forest is good but not as Manchester City, so for Manchester City to win against them, that should not be a big surprise to me. Let's see what Manchester City will look like in their coming matches before we judge that they are fully back in form.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 05, 2024, 04:21:13 AM

Quote from: asriloni on December 03, 2024, 09:50:32 PM

RVN gave his first three points to the Leicester in the game against Westham. It's also his first game in Leicester City. He re-structured Leicester City's squad, helped team to perform more clinical, better chemistry, and sharpness. He finally gave Leicester City optimism to keep stay on EPL next season.

I think this is probably Leicester's best performance of the season. It's achieved after RVN joined them.

It was Ruud's sweet debut at Leicester City even though West Ham is a fairly troublesome club. Although there are still many challenges ahead, at least this first appearance provides a breath of fresh air to Leicester City and its players will certainly be more confident to give their best performance, indeed the manager plays an important role in the journey of a club if the club has star players, it is not certain that they can perform perfectly if not trained by the right trainer, Ruud may not be an experienced coach because his experience is limited, but he may have a strategy that could rebuild the struggling club.

Nistelrooy debut as the new coach of Leicester City went sweetly, actually if we look at his history so far in coaching of course he has actually been quite experienced, because he had previously coached Eindhoven in the Eredivisie League, so I think it was enough for handle a lower-tier team like Leicester City, the victory against West Ham showed that he is capable of bringing positive change, But I think it's too early to give him a lot of credit, because we really need to see the next Leicester City match to assess his quality and ability to coach.

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Ruud Van Nistelrooy definitely managed to do the best, and if he can keep this team at the league and away from relegation, I am pretty sure he will be offered a better role in some other team. I honestly believed that they won't be doing that great, I didn't expect a win, and I also believed that Ruud should have stayed at United as an assistant manager for Amorim as well, because he knows United, he is very well versed with teams staff, and players, and could have been a better position for him.

When he left, I thought that was a bad decision for him because I believed he wouldn't find a good job, and when he accepted Leicester job, I said that was a bad move too, because it looked like he would just lose most games and be sad, but turns out, I was wrong and he is doing fine right now. I assume that he won't be able to win majority of the games, but as long as he wins enough to stay around where they are, and not relegate, he will be seen as a saviour for the club.

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Quote from: Amphenomenon on December 04, 2024, 06:58:21 PM

Liverpool has already started dropping points on this their weak fixtures in comparison to their last 5 games, where the played against the likes of Manchester City, Real Madrid, Bayern Leverkusen, Aston Villa and we're still able to come out victorious against all.

Today's game against Newcastle shows are these teams they will currently face may be weaker but can be dangerous sometimes and expect the Liverpool team give their best rather than lose concentration or underestimate them, they may have difficult games against the others and not just Newcastle, thereby likely dropping more points. Even like I said earlier.

This season, Liverpool has won plenty of games, including ones against great opponents like Real Madrid and Manchester City. Liverpool hasn't lost this season since their loss to Nottingham Forest, but I believe they could have trouble winning the match against Newcastle. The midfield didn't seem as strong as usual, and perhaps the players had started to feel tired. Liverpool didn't seem weak throughout the game, but they did look very different from the previous games. As Arteta previously said, "It depends on how long a team can run because they have been at the top of the table before." It is quite challenging to continue winning throughout the season.

If Liverpool had won the game but it finished in a draw, they would have been nine points away from the top of the league. At this point; Liverpool is seven points different from Chelsea and Arsenal. I would prefer to play Liverpool over 2.5 goals, even in their next away match against Everton, considering how easily Everton defeated Wolves last night.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 04, 2024, 05:58:08 PM

Manchester City is finally back. What a great result against a strong team as Nottm Forest surely is. The game itself was far from perfect as we have still seen some holes in defence, but it's important they have managed to grab 3 points.
What's more, Liverpool has unexpectedly split points with Newcastle, who put up a really good fight and, I think, deserved a win but had to settle for a 3-3 draw.

So maybe it's not yet completely over for Man City. 9 points disadvantage won't be easy to make up, but it's not impossible as we still have 24 rounds to go.

I wouldn’t say back just yet. I’ll like to see how they carry on from here although, the KDB additional to the team would by some means create a resonance within the boys to gear up towards there formal glory. They’ve suffered far too many losses and this was a worthy compensation to boost their morale.

Liverpool finally got to drop points and drew with Newcastle United. It was never certain if they could win Newcastle United and they didn’t. A tough challenge it was for them, several come backs and them both had to settle with a draw. That haven’t gotten much effect on Liverpool but, could this be the start of further drops in points, who knows.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 04, 2024, 03:56:39 PM

I appreciate what Ruud Van Nistelrooy did, he definitely took a risk, he didn't want to be second in command or be the unwanted man and took off and resigned and got a job, it was even a risk that he would get a job, or maybe he already knew, maybe Leicester already told him that they were interested in him before Ruud Van Nistelrooy quit from UNited, I don't really know. In any case, taking on such a job is a big deal, but considering Kompany went from relegating a team here, to Bayern Munich, I feel like managing Leicester and keeping them at the league should entitle him to take on Real Madrid job next lol. I feel like if he can make the team play like this every week, there are like 6-7 teams they may not beat, but for every other team they have a good chance.

He did not resign, and he was never guaranteed the Manutd job; he understood who he was, and it was simply a temporary role until a new manager arrived; he is still inexperienced to manage such a large project; he achieved some nice results, but it would not be sustainable for long. It was only a matter of time until he was exposed.

Amorim did not want him to be a part of his team; he brought his own coaching staff from Sporting, and there were practically no slots for Ruud, so the club was forced to let him go. Leicester job is the best way to start from ground all the way up.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 04, 2024, 03:56:39 PM

I appreciate what Ruud Van Nistelrooy did, he definitely took a risk, he didn't want to be second in command or be the unwanted man and took off and resigned and got a job, it was even a risk that he would get a job, or maybe he already knew, maybe Leicester already told him that they were interested in him before Ruud Van Nistelrooy quit from UNited, I don't really know. In any case, taking on such a job is a big deal, but considering Kompany went from relegating a team here, to Bayern Munich, I feel like managing Leicester and keeping them at the league should entitle him to take on Real Madrid job next lol. I feel like if he can make the team play like this every week, there are like 6-7 teams they may not beat, but for every other team they have a good chance.

Nistelrooy knew that he was only temporary at Manchester United, so he did not quit but that was all he talked about with Man United when he appointed him to replace Ten Haag.
He was not considered because of his lack of experience, previously he had coached at PSV but only for one season if I am not mistaken
Successfully bringing Leicester to victory is certainly a good thing even though this team is not safe and the journey is still long for them to be able to survive in the EPL.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 04, 2024, 05:58:08 PM

Manchester City is finally back. What a great result against a strong team as Nottm Forest surely is. The game itself was far from perfect as we have still seen some holes in defence, but it's important they have managed to grab 3 points.
What's more, Liverpool has unexpectedly split points with Newcastle, who put up a really good fight and, I think, deserved a win but had to settle for a 3-3 draw.

So maybe it's not yet completely over for Man City. 9 points disadvantage won't be easy to make up, but it's not impossible as we still have 24 rounds to go.

This is a good result against such a strong defense as Nottingham, I am also glad that City were able to finally win, Guardiola also said this, now the main thing is not to relax and make a long winning series. Liverpool lost points in the match with Newcastle and this also plays into Guardiola's hands, of course it would have been better if Newcastle were able to win, but even this draw gives hope to City.

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It must be very relieving for Guardiola to finally win a game. It was a bad streak lasted for 7 games or so. It means like a nightmare to a team like Manchester City. Sad

They got the win in a strong way by 3-0 against one of the challenging teams at the same time. Nottingham had a really poor day.

Newcastle - Liverpool was the loveliest game of the night by the way. Grin

A 3-3 result, what a game! I wasn't surprised with Liverpool's stumbling though. A draw looked possible for me but Newcastle fought really hard.

Lastly the main event Arsenal - Manchester United didn't end in a surprising way. The first half was very boring but Arsenal dominated the remaining part. A 2-0 win and both of them were thanks to those great corner organizations.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 05, 2024, 04:21:13 AM

Quote from: asriloni on December 03, 2024, 09:50:32 PM

RVN gave his first three points to the Leicester in the game against Westham. It's also his first game in Leicester City. He re-structured Leicester City's squad, helped team to perform more clinical, better chemistry, and sharpness. He finally gave Leicester City optimism to keep stay on EPL next season.

I think this is probably Leicester's best performance of the season. It's achieved after RVN joined them.

There was no better way for Ruud Van Nisterooy to start his Leicester City spell than the convincing win he recorded against West Ham on Tuesday night. The Dutch manager have already proven that he possess the technical ability to improve the performance of Leicester City and help them avoid relegation this season.
Another thing I noticed is that the club players were playing at their best in that game which is a sign that RVN have a good relationship with them already. I'll want to see Leicester return to top form again under their new manager

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Quote from: asriloni on December 03, 2024, 09:50:32 PM

RVN gave his first three points to the Leicester in the game against Westham. It's also his first game in Leicester City. He re-structured Leicester City's squad, helped team to perform more clinical, better chemistry, and sharpness. He finally gave Leicester City optimism to keep stay on EPL next season.

I think this is probably Leicester's best performance of the season. It's achieved after RVN joined them.

It was Ruud's sweet debut at Leicester City even though West Ham is a fairly troublesome club. Although there are still many challenges ahead, at least this first appearance provides a breath of fresh air to Leicester City and its players will certainly be more confident to give their best performance, indeed the manager plays an important role in the journey of a club if the club has star players, it is not certain that they can perform perfectly if not trained by the right trainer, Ruud may not be an experienced coach because his experience is limited, but he may have a strategy that could rebuild the struggling club.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 04, 2024, 03:56:39 PM

I appreciate what Ruud Van Nistelrooy did, he definitely took a risk, he didn't want to be second in command or be the unwanted man and took off and resigned and got a job, it was even a risk that he would get a job, or maybe he already knew, maybe Leicester already told him that they were interested in him before Ruud Van Nistelrooy quit from UNited, I don't really know. In any case, taking on such a job is a big deal, but considering Kompany went from relegating a team here, to Bayern Munich, I feel like managing Leicester and keeping them at the league should entitle him to take on Real Madrid job next lol. I feel like if he can make the team play like this every week, there are like 6-7 teams they may not beat, but for every other team they have a good chance.

Maybe they have to deal with him. But, already knew or not, as you said above, Ruud is one of the potential coaches in the future, Leicester knew that and gave him a chance to train the clubs. As we had seen how he managed Leicester for the 1st time, many strategic changes were made to the club available to win. I don't doubt him, he made big changes to the clubs. So I think it's not impossible if he will coach real Madrid on the future, because he has that requirement, but of course it not anytime soon because he has to brush up on his coaching to be more sharper on Leicester.

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