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Quote from: dezoel on September 18, 2024, 03:29:04 PM

City definitely looks like they are looking stronger and could beat Arsenal, but is it like really this much? Arsenal 4.70? That seems like they are not giving Arsenal no chance at all and that is why I think that's the most important part.

We should be considering this to be very important situation and that is why I think Arsenal may actually be a good bet here. I am not saying that they will win or anything like that, of course they could lose too and that's a big possibility as the odds show and that is why I think we need to not bet a lot of money into this and it wouldn't be worth it if we keep putting too much money into this but if we put in a serious amount of money then we are going to be fine and it shouldn't be a big issue at all. I will bet on Arsenal and put in like just ten bucks to it, it should be fine and not be that much of a big deal and we could make some profit from it. If I fail then all I am losing is just ten bucks and would be fine.

But it seems, because Arsenal will also get a little rest compared to Manchester City, it may be difficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City. Because anyway, Manchester City will also play at home and Manchester City get a better rest because they have finished the match in the Champion League today, while Arsenal will just play in the Champion League tomorrow.

Thus, it is likely to be an unbalanced factor also for them to prepare for the big match in the Premier League that will be played this weekend. Also, I personally believe Manchester City will be able to maintain its unbeaten record so far in the Premier League. Thus, then I personally will be more confident for a winning result for Manchester City or also only with a draw.

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Quote from: samuraijin on September 16, 2024, 06:22:04 PM

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Although in the previous match Arsenal could get 3 points when visiting Tottenham but I think for now against Manchester City the situation will be more different.

They will still be very troubled by player injuries, besides that Rice's red card is also currently sentenced to 2 matches making Arsenal even more difficult so I think it's not wrong if Manchester City are the favourites in this match because apart from them playing home in this match, they also certainly have a good situation where the squad is much more complex than Arsenal.

I will set aside a little of my money for this match because I think the odds of 1.78 are still very feasible for the current conditions especially with the difference in the location of the current player strength, 1.78 for Mancehsetr City in this big match is still very worth it to do.

It is very difficult to place a bet on this match, even though this match is a prestigious match but on the other hand, the odds are too big to place a bet on Man City but for Arsenal the odds are not favored but the income will be big if Arsenal is able to win, The City playing at home means that it is very difficult for Arsenal to get a win but on the other hand the ball is round no one knows who will win but I am sure Arsenal will be able to win.

Arsenal statistics against Manchester City in the last 5 matches shows that Manchester City won 2, drew 2 and Arsenal won 1 for 1x2 time and indeed this proves that this is not an easy match for both.

But on the other hand we also need to see that although this big match is not easy and the possibility of a draw is the most favourable situation if you want to bet but the consideration that now Arsenal is not playing at full strength is also one of the reasons why 1.78 is quite worth it compared to being in Arsenal which is currently more than 4 odds.

Manchester City is also still very dominating until now with very good goal productivity where Haaland is still like starving to score especially they play home which makes me still going to be on Manchester City in this match.

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City definitely looks like they are looking stronger and could beat Arsenal, but is it like really this much? Arsenal 4.70? That seems like they are not giving Arsenal no chance at all and that is why I think that's the most important part.

We should be considering this to be very important situation and that is why I think Arsenal may actually be a good bet here. I am not saying that they will win or anything like that, of course they could lose too and that's a big possibility as the odds show and that is why I think we need to not bet a lot of money into this and it wouldn't be worth it if we keep putting too much money into this but if we put in a serious amount of money then we are going to be fine and it shouldn't be a big issue at all. I will bet on Arsenal and put in like just ten bucks to it, it should be fine and not be that much of a big deal and we could make some profit from it. If I fail then all I am losing is just ten bucks and would be fine.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 18, 2024, 08:07:07 AM

Here is the injury list for Arsenal before the Manchester City game.

Injury source: https://www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-premier-league/

Even Saka looks doubtful but I think he will be back until then. However not having Odegaard and Merino both in the midfield will be a real problem for Arsenal. Sad

We already see the weaknesses in their Tottenham game.

But there isn't always bad news about them of course. Rice is back after his red card suspension. I hope to see him playing instead of Jorginho right away in this game. Arteta will need his best midfielders to fight back against Manchester City.

On a sincere note Saka is good but is nothing his not getting enough support from is colleagues and I don't think it's actually a good thing but that is left for Arteta to decide how exactly he wants to use saka, and Odegaard injury him been Midfielder for arsenal and the fact that they will not be around makes everything more interesting because the Midfield will be have some difficult due to the injury and it is actually a perfect time for us to be winning arsenal they don't stand a chance against us that way. Watching their game against Tottenham was not that interesting and I was watch even they will have a chance of winning us when we meet but I have concluded that they won't be able too. And the return of rice is not a problem because as it is we have a full squad at hand, this is not last season so arsenal fans should not think they will be able to win they always think they are good because of all this little defeat pep already understands what is going on that this season is different and one single point matters a lot.

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Quote from: Richbased on September 18, 2024, 02:13:54 PM

I think Eric Ten Haag and his players are not blending together and if a coach doesn't form a good and quality relationship with his players, it is always difficult to achieve convincible success because the players will literally be doing things at their own will and not on the instructions of the head coach. Eric Ten Haag always accuse the players of their underperformance whereas he is also a part of the problem that the club is facing. Players can be very pompous sometimes but it doesn't mean that they should be followed up in same energy. At least as a coach he is supposed to calm every situation in the club down and not add to the already existing problems.

Ten Haag doesn't know how to express his opinion over players and it's very bad of him because if there are internal issues within the club it should be ironed within that space and not extend it outside the house. He should learn how to speak about his club because there are other teams facing more difficulty than Manchester United but you won't see their coach coming to condemn his players to the media.

Erik ten Hag has gained himself a little more time after getting a really decent win against Southampton. However I don't think his credit is very much at Manchester United as of now. Sad

He will need to maintain some winning streak to start fixing things. They can't go on inconsistently in his 3rd season here. It would be unacceptable.

You know it took Klopp also quite much time to carry Liverpool to top places. Like a couple of seasons. The same for Arteta also. But if Erik ten Hag can't do it in his 3rd year at the club then he would get sacked anytime.

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Quote from: Palakka on September 17, 2024, 12:32:54 PM

Liverpool's first defeat of course surprised all of us this season, although they looked very impressive against Manchester United but actually had to lose 3 points when facing a team weaker than them, every point lost in the league of course makes them away from the championship trophy at the end of the season, so it is important for Arne Slot to no longer lose points to keep their chances be championship at the end of the season.

Liverpool loss is really a bad one, and it came as a surprise to everyone, but we know this is football, and anything can happen. Liverpool lost their last match against Nottingham Forest, but I believe they are still in race for the Premier League title. It’s normal for a club to lose a match, and even Manchester City and Arsenal, which are topping the table, will definitely lose some matches also. We don’t expect a club to win all their matches, I don’t think that’s going to happen, so all I will say is that Arne Slot should try and improve the club's performance, and all matches should be taken seriously.

Quote from: Palakka on September 17, 2024, 12:32:54 PM

Manchester United have managed to get on a positive path after back-to-back defeats in their previous matches, but the win over Southampton is not proof that Manchester United are worthy of favourites this season

Manchester United winning Southampton is not something special, Southampton has just been promoted to the Premier League, and we know most of the newly promoted clubs are not always performing well after joining, so Manchester United winning Southampton is what most people expected.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 17, 2024, 09:20:39 PM

Quote from: Die_empty on September 16, 2024, 03:42:39 PM

Don't get too emotional about Ronaldo, Erik ten Hag and Manchester United drama, it's just for entertainment. All three parties are to blame for the poor relationship between the coach and Ronaldo. Ronaldo wouldn't have criticised the club openly, he was remarketing them. Don't forget that United is a business brand and he receives his pay from them. His negative comments about the club can scare away investors from partnering with them .

Erik Ten Hag's man management is as poor as it gets. He does not know how to work with players that he is not familiar with, and his system also always requires very specific players. He is also poor at handling pressure from the press, as we have seen him fumble there a lot of times, and in a lot of instances he just says weird stuff, he says things about his players that should not be made public. One thing is being blunt, but what he does is plain stupid.

I think Eric Ten Haag and his players are not blending together and if a coach doesn't form a good and quality relationship with his players, it is always difficult to achieve convincible success because the players will literally be doing things at their own will and not on the instructions of the head coach. Eric Ten Haag always accuse the players of their underperformance whereas he is also a part of the problem that the club is facing. Players can be very pompous sometimes but it doesn't mean that they should be followed up in same energy. At least as a coach he is supposed to calm every situation in the club down and not add to the already existing problems.

Ten Haag doesn't know how to express his opinion over players and it's very bad of him because if there are internal issues within the club it should be ironed within that space and not extend it outside the house. He should learn how to speak about his club because there are other teams facing more difficulty than Manchester United but you won't see their coach coming to condemn his players to the media.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 18, 2024, 08:07:07 AM

Here is the injury list for Arsenal before the Manchester City game.

Injury source: https://www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-premier-league/

Even Saka looks doubtful but I think he will be back until then. However not having Odegaard and Merino both in the midfield will be a real problem for Arsenal. Sad

We already see the weaknesses in their Tottenham game.

But there isn't always bad news about them of course. Rice is back after his red card suspension. I hope to see him playing instead of Jorginho right away in this game. Arteta will need his best midfielders to fight back against Manchester City.

Merino? I don't see him as a big deal deal right now. As much as we'll be seeing Declan Rice and Thomas Partey in midfied, Arsenal has nothing to worry about. Saka out too has no issues, Raheem Sterling steps up his game whenever he is facing Manchester City, I'm certain they have nothing to worry with the right wing. Martinelli should be dropped for Trossad because he made the left wing boring amd less effective.
My major concerns is who replaces Odegaard because during that London derby against Tottenham Hotspur, they wasn't productive and creative. How they hold down Manchester City would day if they're ready to win the Premier League Competition this season.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 18, 2024, 08:07:07 AM

Here is the injury list for Arsenal before the Manchester City game.

Injury source: https://www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-premier-league/

Even Saka looks doubtful but I think he will be back until then. However not having Odegaard and Merino both in the midfield will be a real problem for Arsenal. Sad

We already see the weaknesses in their Tottenham game.

But there isn't always bad news about them of course. Rice is back after his red card suspension. I hope to see him playing instead of Jorginho right away in this game. Arteta will need his best midfielders to fight back against Manchester City.

This season Arteta is faced with player injury problems that he has never had during his 5 seasons of coaching at Arsenal, Arsenal problems even more complicated at this time when they must to face a busy schedule and also have to face big teams in a row both in the league and the Champions League, previously Arsenal was able to overcome obstacles in the north London derby by defeating Tottenham, But even so we can see how Arsenal who are the team that often dominates their opponents so far, but in that match Tottenham was able to dominate the match and make Arsenal tend to play more patiently in defense and attack, the Atalanta match will be the next test for Arteta later in the Champions League before they face a crucial match against Manchester City in the Premier League,Arteta looks like he will still use the same formation as in the derby previously against Manchester City later, when Arteta is able to make the most of the squad formation and is able to win over Tottenham, but I think Manchester City is not a team of Tottenham class, so Arsenal will most likely not be able to win that the match in etihad stadium

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Quote from: Docnaster on September 16, 2024, 07:03:57 AM

The North London derby is one of the fiercest fixtures in the English Premier League so I wasn't surprised to see that 7 yellow cards were issued in the first half of the Tottenham Hotspur vs Arsenal game yesterday. Arsenal have been the better side of North London since the last couple of seasons and yesterday, they were able to steal a victory again. Mikel Arteta who was absolutely impressed with the resilient spirit of his men had nothing but praises for them.

Derby match is a match that brings together 2 strong clubs of course the competition is very fierce, it is not surprising that we will witness many violations that will occur in the match but fortunately neither club received a red card because it would greatly affect the club's performance, the hosts themselves received the most yellow cards showing how aggressive they were to perform optimally in this match but still they were unable to beat Mikel Arteta's troops because the club had prepared a really mature strategy in this match and finally Arsenal was able to beat the hosts.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on September 17, 2024, 05:32:14 AM

Meanwhile, Manchester United will host BARNSLEY tonight at Old Trafford for the Carabao Cup Competition. Erik Ten Hag hinted yesterday of Antony get a chance to play regularly if he level up his game for the club. I want to see him do well because I believe, he's still got something to prove.

Manchester United powerful defeat over Barnsley will definitely be a big motivation for them to face crystal palace this weekend. As I always say, winning gives confidence and ensured more wins.
It is because Manchester United won with 3 goals last match, that is why they had the confidence to score upto 7 goals, believe me, this will energize them to win against Crystal palace. And the more winnings Manchester United gets, the more confident they get to win even more matches.

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Here is the injury list for Arsenal before the Manchester City game.

Injury source: https://www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-premier-league/

Even Saka looks doubtful but I think he will be back until then. However not having Odegaard and Merino both in the midfield will be a real problem for Arsenal. Sad

We already see the weaknesses in their Tottenham game.

But there isn't always bad news about them of course. Rice is back after his red card suspension. I hope to see him playing instead of Jorginho right away in this game. Arteta will need his best midfielders to fight back against Manchester City.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 16, 2024, 05:49:16 AM

There is going to be a wonderful game waiting for us next week! It is Manchester City - Arsenal at Etihad Stadium. What do you say for this game? Huh

Let's have a look at the odds by the way.

Such attracting odds for Manchester City win right? Grin

The thing is Manchester City can't beat Arsenal in the league for two games. The last one at Etihad ended up with a 0-0 draw. But I feel like Guardiola will finally manage to break Arteta's defense. I just see them better than ever. I must say I'm really curious about Haaland's effort at the same time. He started superbly with 9 goals you know.

Haaland had one important problem before. He wasn't able to contribute much in big games. Let's see whether it will change this season. I expect Guardiola to be the happy manager at the end.

Of course, there will be a tough game next weekend, Manchester City was unable to beat Arsenal last season, Manchester City lost the away game and drew the second home game, but I believe this season will be the difference for Arsenal, even though they had a strong defender who always prevented Haaland from scoring goals. Ødegaard's absence may have impact on their performance, as the midfield might seem weak against Manchester City, unlike Tottenham Spurs that they defeated last weekend. If Arsenal played a defensive game, I believe they would be able to grab points at Etihad because if they lost every point, their position in the title race would be reduced.

Furthermore, even if Manchester City has interesting odds, I will stay away from the match against Arsenal because, to be honest, I don't think any team has a stronger defense than Arsenal. The game may end in a draw or an empty net, I won't play the game because I can't afford to take the risk, many of us have already lost plenty of money, and we are only in the fourth week.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 16, 2024, 05:49:16 AM

There is going to be a wonderful game waiting for us next week! It is Manchester City - Arsenal at Etihad Stadium. What do you say for this game? Huh

Let's have a look at the odds by the way.

Such attracting odds for Manchester City win right? Grin

The thing is Manchester City can't beat Arsenal in the league for two games. The last one at Etihad ended up with a 0-0 draw. But I feel like Guardiola will finally manage to break Arteta's defense. I just see them better than ever. I must say I'm really curious about Haaland's effort at the same time. He started superbly with 9 goals you know.

Haaland had one important problem before. He wasn't able to contribute much in big games. Let's see whether it will change this season. I expect Guardiola to be the happy manager at the end.

Yes this is a huge odd especially for a team like Arsenal who are in very good form for two straight seasons now and have been a pain in the ass for Pep Guardiola and Manchester City. IMO there is a 50:50 chance for both sides in this fixture. And I will take my chances with Arsenal against Manchester City and hope Arsenal make it happen and I enjoy all 4.70 odds lol.

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Quote from: Die_empty on September 16, 2024, 03:42:39 PM

Don't get too emotional about Ronaldo, Erik ten Hag and Manchester United drama, it's just for entertainment. All three parties are to blame for the poor relationship between the coach and Ronaldo. Ronaldo wouldn't have criticised the club openly, he was remarketing them. Don't forget that United is a business brand and he receives his pay from them. His negative comments about the club can scare away investors from partnering with them .

Erik Ten Hag's man management is as poor as it gets. He does not know how to work with players that he is not familiar with, and his system also always requires very specific players. He is also poor at handling pressure from the press, as we have seen him fumble there a lot of times, and in a lot of instances he just says weird stuff, he says things about his players that should not be made public. One thing is being blunt, but what he does is plain stupid.

Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 16, 2024, 01:44:18 PM

Manchester United have not been the same since Sir Alex Ferguson left. My vexation with the club is that Ronaldo was meant to move to Manchester City before he was convinced by SAF to return to Old Trafford as their golden boy. I think the presence of Ronaldo in the squad gave hope to the fans and that raised their expectations, they were probably thinking they would return to the Manchester United of old. So when they were not getting positive results, they turned on their golden boy.

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I totally agree with the F365 writer, since Sir Alex left, a lot of what Manchester United did was to try and replicate his actions, or his legacy. A big flaw about this is that you cannot really replicate managers and whatever they accomplished, rather you need to welcome new managers, give them money and time, and let them create their legacy. If they fail to do so, sack them, but trying to duplicate past legacy is just pointless.

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The coach was also at fault because he failed to give a legend like Ronaldo the special treatment he deserves. He should know that most of the best coaches in the world developed the skills of managing players like Ronaldo. Lastly, the management of the club will take some part of the plan for forcing Ronaldo on the coach. He told the club that the Portuguese captain didn't fit in his style of play. They would have sought means to let the striker leave instead of allowing him to remain in the club.

ETH could have kept relations with Cristiano Ronaldo just fine, but he thought it would be cool to point fingers at one of the best players in the world, and also a club legend. I don't think that was smart from ETH, because that introduced a lot of chaos in the club, and Ronaldo proved to be right about most of it.

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Quote from: Adiljutt156 on September 17, 2024, 10:47:32 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on September 14, 2024, 05:49:24 PM

Liverpool suffered their first defeat against Nottingham Forest. Points lost to easy opponents are very important, they can cost them the championship.

M.City continues to win and are currently first in the league.

M.United won 3-0 but this is a win against the worst team in the league right now.
I still think Erik ten Hag is an unsuccessful manager.

Nottingham Forest football team easily won this match by 1-0 score. The opponent team could not do any single goal and C. Hudson-Odoi was top performer of this match because he did the single goal of this match . Both teams played that match in Anfield and we saw and excellent match from both teams and Liverpool team players body language was not good and they looked depressed and that was good opportunity for them to play well and get good position but they missed it and we watched them as a loser team but if we see the stat then we will be shocked because Nottingham Forest team was behind in this match and their shots were less in number and shots on target were also less .

Liverpool's first defeat of course surprised all of us this season, although they looked very impressive against Manchester United but actually had to lose 3 points when facing a team weaker than them, every point lost in the league of course makes them away from the championship trophy at the end of the season, so it is important for Arne Slot to no longer lose points to keep their chances be championship at the end of the season.

Manchester United have managed to get on a positive path after back-to-back defeats in their previous matches, but the win over Southampton is not proof that Manchester United are worthy of favourites this season, I think Ten Hag is the only coach who claims he is the second-best coach in the Premier League so far, although what he claims is not in line with what everyone else thinks at the moment Grin

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Quote from: knowngunman on September 17, 2024, 04:48:26 AM

I'm also yet to see improvement from Manchester united despite their victory against Southampton last Saturday. No doubt, they won and secured the whole three points but it was still a poor game performance in general. They were just lucky given that Southampton were as well very poor in finishing. That particular game was a game they could gather a great goal difference but their weak attack couldn't utilize the opportunity. Liverpool or Manchester city would have crushed ten men southampton with six or more goals. They need to recheck their performance and brace up, the season is just starting and there's time to improve. If you take out the goals from that match, there's absolutely nothing impressive about their play.

Well the important thing is that they won and secured those points , it doesn't matter how they do it , the Important thing is that they win and don't fall behind, many have criticized MU , in fact I have seen Improvements in the team , it intrigues me how they haven't been able to be a little more Consistent in their ways of seeing things to score more goals , they have good players, they definitely need Antony, I hope that this time they can play much faster and better Football , I am a big believer that this team is good and its guards are phenomenal , but they have to continue making the pertinent changes in their strategy, for me everything is there , in their Strategy.

Manchester United on alert as Bayern Munich reveal 'difficult' Jamal Musiala contract talks

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Real Madrid are also tracking Musiala, with reports suggesting the forward wants parity with Harry Kane on wages of around £300,000 a week.

During the summer Musiala insisted he was not looking to move, saying: “I am very happy at FC Bayern and fully focused on our goals with the club and the national team.

“I don't think too much about where I will be playing in five years. Things can always change quickly in the world of football.”

Musiala missed out on silverware last season but has already won four Bundesliga titles, three DFL-Supercups, the UEFA Super Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup with Bayern.

And the German heavyweights are desperate not to lose their prized asset, with club president Herbert Hainer saying last week: "Many say that he will one day be the best player in the world.

Source:https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jamal-musiala-man-utd-man-city-bayern-munich-transfer-news-b1182571.html

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Quote from: MK-74 on September 14, 2024, 05:49:24 PM

Liverpool suffered their first defeat against Nottingham Forest. Points lost to easy opponents are very important, they can cost them the championship.

M.City continues to win and are currently first in the league.

M.United won 3-0 but this is a win against the worst team in the league right now.
I still think Erik ten Hag is an unsuccessful manager.

Nottingham Forest football team easily won this match by 1-0 score. The opponent team could not do any single goal and C. Hudson-Odoi was top performer of this match because he did the single goal of this match . Both teams played that match in Anfield and we saw and excellent match from both teams and Liverpool team players body language was not good and they looked depressed and that was good opportunity for them to play well and get good position but they missed it and we watched them as a loser team but if we see the stat then we will be shocked because Nottingham Forest team was behind in this match and their shots were less in number and shots on target were also less .

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 16, 2024, 01:44:18 PM

Manchester United have not been the same since Sir Alex Ferguson left. My vexation with the club is that Ronaldo was meant to move to Manchester City before he was convinced by SAF to return to Old Trafford as their golden boy. I think the presence of Ronaldo in the squad gave hope to the fans and that raised their expectations, they were probably thinking they would return to the Manchester United of old. So when they were not getting positive results, they turned on their golden boy.

You’re right, I don’t think ETH and Ronaldo were a good match. I’m glad he left United, there’s nothing he could have done for that team. ETH was given the opportunity to get his own squad together and we can see how well that is going.

Then you should channel your energy towards Sir Alex Ferguson and not Manchester United. I wonder how you view things. What's done has been done back, it's time now to pay attention to the present and work towards a greater future. For your information, there's no player bigger than Manchester United and it's sad to see that fans just like you want the success of a player more than they want for the club. It's Pathetic for goodness sake.
Maybe Ronaldo should have reported for training other than stay at home waiting for his agent to link him up with clubs playing in the Champions League Competition. I don't think you're glad he left, you pained ASF. He had enough to show for but it's what it is, stuff's like this happens.

Meanwhile, Manchester United will host BARNSLEY tonight at Old Trafford for the Carabao Cup Competition. Erik Ten Hag hinted yesterday of Antony get a chance to play regularly if he level up his game for the club. I want to see him do well because I believe, he's still got something to prove.

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Quote from: Cityhunter34 on September 16, 2024, 02:57:43 PM

Off course they still have much to prove to there fans, because is not by winning a weak team like Southampton that just came out from religation and We feel that they have improved. However, just like as you have said earlier I think it is when they start to playing with big teams like man city, Arsenal, Aston villa, and Tottenham that we determine there improvement, because though they have already lost t o Brighton and Liverpool and they still have a though match against Crystal palace next week which we can not predict the winer yet because when ever they are playing with Crystal palace they normally find it difficult to win.

I'm also yet to see improvement from Manchester united despite their victory against Southampton last Saturday. No doubt, they won and secured the whole three points but it was still a poor game performance in general. They were just lucky given that Southampton were as well very poor in finishing. That particular game was a game they could gather a great goal difference but their weak attack couldn't utilize the opportunity. Liverpool or Manchester city would have crushed ten men southampton with six or more goals. They need to recheck their performance and brace up, the season is just starting and there's time to improve. If you take out the goals from that match, there's absolutely nothing impressive about their play.

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