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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 15, 2024, 01:06:41 PM

Yeah Jorginho was horrible today. Sad

But Arteta had no other choice because of the injuries of his best midfielders. Jorginho is normally only a rotation player for Arsenal. He was even close to leaving the team in the summer transfer window.

I don't know how Arsenal won this game honestly. Grin

They gave big spaces to their opponent but still they won by 1-0. Anyways, I'm glad to see this win after the draw against Brighton the last time.

But the real problem now is Manchester City as usual. They really are unstoppable. Actually I must say Haaland is the one very hard to stop. 9 goals in 4 games? That's insane!

First of all I don’t know why you actually stated that he Jorginho was awful today, let me start by this was his first start of the season which should be a nerve one considering the opponent too, nevertheless he wasn’t horrible if you asked me. Tottenham biggest asset was pace in their players and Jorginho and Partey were doing great things by filling up those places. They were a shield for the defense and once you play this way, then art of holding or dazzling with ball that’s what most people were expecting and isn’t there anymore.

Arsenal got a win today through the hard way, Arsenal has the best defense in the league and they proved it today. Tottenham were all over their defense but they still get to keep the clean sheet. Arteta today showed that he has grown as a manager, the defensive formation worked out well for them and I expect them to do it to even Manchester City

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Quote from: Salahmu on September 15, 2024, 12:10:26 PM

There midfielder was not so strong on this match, actually if not that Arsenal is a very strong club Tottenham Hotspur would have won the match because there was so much lapses on that match especially there midfielder, Jorginho was not doing his work very well on this match because the role we expected him to play is not what we are actually seeing in him, I no that Tottenham Hotspur is a very promising club but not enough to win Arsenal at the moment.

However of all the players I expected to score on this match I never believe that there defender Gabriel Magalhães will be the one to give Arsenal there three points on this match, Arsenal shouldn't come back to there next match with this kind of midfield they have if not they may not be this lucky again.

The absence of Odegaard and Declan Rice lead to that. Well, this depth is not good enough for them to win the Premier League Competition. Like I have said before, we might see Manchester City winning the Premier League Competition for the fifth time this season.
Tottenham Hotspur did pretty well but Solanke missed crucial chances they should have scored. Tottenham Hotspur are always like this I'm not going to lie. They will do all the playing only for Arsenal to take all three points. Arsenal lacked creativity in this game today. Odegaard wasn't in the game and it affected how they produced and created chances. More difficulties would be seen when they go on against Manchester City next week.

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Quote from: Lida93 on September 15, 2024, 11:32:58 AM

Something I later observed about Arteta after the end of the game in his decision of going defensive (against his usual attacking tactics) was that he knew he doesn't have the quality in the midfield he had to change approach in the absence of Odegaard and he got brilliant result at the end bwith his approach. However, Arsenal would need to work on their creating of chances and finishing as improvement on that would definitely help them when they meet Manchester City next weekend.

I think Arteta wanted to be in a safer side in this London derby. He knew that Tottenham have good team and he will be playing without Declan Rice and Odegard; indirectly, he was not expecting good creativity from the midfield even though he was sure of the defensive side because of the Presence Patey and Jorginho, he ordered his defenders to be focused and not to accommodate any mistake, and they did well because the defense won Arsenal the match since they defended very well and the goal from them.
Nevertheless, Tottenham were very good in the match, they dominated the match and played Arsenal very well, but unfortunately, they were not lucky as they lost to Arsenal because they deserve to get point in the match.

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Quote from: Accardo on September 15, 2024, 12:25:14 PM

Quote from: X-ray on September 15, 2024, 09:19:09 AM

Martinelli has been so so fucking poor in this game, and he is often missing the ball.

Afaik, Martinelli's performance wasn't as poor as you rated it, he worked hard in today's game, the problem is that he doesn't have someone to support him, if Timber often work closely with him, everyone would be able to notice Martinelli's form in matches. Overall, he did well, above average.

Most of the Arsenal fans I've tried to ask about their assessment of today's win at Tottenham have been pointing blaming fingers on their Brazilian winger Gabriel Martinelli and their reasons for calling him out for a poor performance is something i really do not understand. Martinelli without doubt wasn't impressive like he used to be whenever he's at his best but I think his contributions in the game wasn't as poor as many are trying to make it look like. The good thing about the game is the Gunners managed to get all three points from the game and that I think is the most important thing so they should enjoy the moment instead of wasting their energies blaming Martinelli.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 15, 2024, 09:19:09 AM

Arsenal is missing their entire midfielder. That's why they were so struggle, and their mid is kinda useless in this game. The problem is Jorginho, their midfielder. He can only play in games where they have most of the ball possession. Otherwise he's a liability. Also, i'd prefer to subs him with Nwaneri.

Yeah Jorginho was horrible today. Sad

But Arteta had no other choice because of the injuries of his best midfielders. Jorginho is normally only a rotation player for Arsenal. He was even close to leaving the team in the summer transfer window.

I don't know how Arsenal won this game honestly. Grin

They gave big spaces to their opponent but still they won by 1-0. Anyways, I'm glad to see this win after the draw against Brighton the last time.

But the real problem now is Manchester City as usual. They really are unstoppable. Actually I must say Haaland is the one very hard to stop. 9 goals in 4 games? That's insane!

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Quote from: X-ray on September 15, 2024, 09:19:09 AM

Martinelli has been so so fucking poor in this game, and he is often missing the ball.

Afaik, Martinelli's performance wasn't as poor as you rated it, he worked hard in today's game, the problem is that he doesn't have someone to support him, if Timber often work closely with him, everyone would be able to notice Martinelli's form in matches. Overall, he did well, above average.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 15, 2024, 09:19:09 AM

Arsenal is missing their entire midfielder. That's why they were so struggle, and their mid is kinda useless in this game. The problem is Jorginho, their midfielder. He can only play in games where they have most of the ball possession. Otherwise he's a liability. Also, i'd prefer to subs him with Nwaneri.

Martinelli has been so so fucking poor in this game, and he is often missing the ball.

It makes me nervous to see Arsenal's defense now. This is because spurs intensively attacking them. A very high tension of game.

There midfielder was not so strong on this match, actually if not that Arsenal is a very strong club Tottenham Hotspur would have won the match because there was so much lapses on that match especially there midfielder, Jorginho was not doing his work very well on this match because the role we expected him to play is not what we are actually seeing in him, I no that Tottenham Hotspur is a very promising club but not enough to win Arsenal at the moment.

However of all the players I expected to score on this match I never believe that there defender Gabriel Magalhães will be the one to give Arsenal there three points on this match, Arsenal shouldn't come back to there next match with this kind of midfield they have if not they may not be this lucky again.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on September 15, 2024, 08:59:33 AM

Quote from: Lida93 on September 15, 2024, 08:50:47 AM

Tottenham is controlling the game confidently and arguably in this game especially within the midfield. Just 32 minutes within the first regular time around the clock in this game they are enjoying 68% ball possession while arsenal is having 32%. It seems Mikel Arteta has chosen to sit behind in this match because am not even seeing much of Bukayo Saka in the game due to the much defensiveness of Arsenal in the game.

Tottenham is no doubt playing well in the beginning of the match, but as the match goes on towards the 30th minutes of the match, Arsenal took over for a while even though Tottenham maintained their possession.

This match is a match that is yet to be predicted; both the host and the visitors are making good effort to score first. Arsenal is making more contact and has created more attempts on goal than Tottenham, but Tottenham was a bit strong and were also good defensively which is the reason the are yet to concede goals from Arsenal, and Arsenal also miss chance in the first half.

Arsenal eventually won the match with a 0:1 score taking home full 3 points, it's frustrating for Tottenham how they got possession of the game and lost it due to their poor finishings.

On the contrary, from the statistics from the match at full-time Tottenham were with more attempts on goal than arsenal including shots on target. But it doesn't matter anyway cause at the end of the day what'd most important it's who went home with the three points that counts.

Something I later observed about Arteta after the end of the game in his decision of going defensive (against his usual attacking tactics) was that he knew he doesn't have the quality in the midfield he had to change approach in the absence of Odegaard and he got brilliant result at the end bwith his approach. However, Arsenal would need to work on their creating of chances and finishing as improvement on that would definitely help them when they meet Manchester City next weekend.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 15, 2024, 09:19:09 AM

Arsenal is missing their entire midfielder. That's why they were so struggle, and their mid is kinda useless in this game. The problem is Jorginho, their midfielder. He can only play in games where they have most of the ball possession. Otherwise he's a liability. Also, i'd prefer to subs him with Nwaneri.

Martinelli has been so so fucking poor in this game, and he is often missing the ball.

It makes me nervous to see Arsenal's defense now. This is because spurs intensively attacking them. A very high tension of game.

It was the area they lacked in this match indeed. Odegaard and Merino were both injured. Rice was also suspended of red card. As a result, Arteta had no other choice left than using Jorginho in the middle. Sad

This weaker midfield was a big help for Tottenham to play more organized and be more dangerous in the attacking area as well. However they were so unskilful that they scored 0 goal... I think it was like a miracle that Arsenal won this match. Tongue

I hope they get their midfielders back soon otherwise they will continue to have defensive problems clearly. But it is impressive that they can beat a team like Tottenham away even in this situation.

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Quote from: hahay on September 15, 2024, 11:06:42 AM

Quote from: el kaka22 on September 15, 2024, 10:39:53 AM

The first shocking loss of Arne Slot era has happened. Nobody expected Liverpool to have even have a chance that they would lose to Notthingham Forrest but it did happen and that's the sad part. I think it's clear that we are going to end up seeing this situation change quite a lot and I believe that we are going see many more of these happen in the future as well, feels like Liverpool definitely looks not that much worse since Klopp left, but not suddenly a great dominant team neither.

It would have been ideal for them if they lost to some bigger club but in the end they would have lost eventually so they just got that out of the way. Same week, we see United and Chelsea both get a win, two teams that are dealing with a lot of chaos right now, so it's definitely a good thing for them without a doubt. Specially United, who looked quite convincing while they were winning as well.

At least, with this defeat experienced by Liverpool, it will make competition in the upper zone of the standings more difficult, because so far at least their points are still close together. Although indeed, there is still Manchester City which is consistent with the results of winning in each match, but that does not mean Manchester City will not experience bad results or surprising results like Liverpool experienced. Thus, I personally hope that no team really goes alone at the top of the standings, because that will make the league uncompetitive.

But indeed, with this defeat it might also be a big concern for Liverpool's next matches, whether Arne Slot will still be able to make Liverpool consistent with good results, or maybe there will be an up and down phase and if that happens, then Liverpool will be left behind in the title race this season.

Liverpool's loss is one of those moments that might alter the title race dynamics. While Manchester City seemed to be the most consistent team, if Liverpool can lose a game like that, then it shows even the biggest teams can slip. It actually makes the league more interesting and keeps it shrouded in doubt because no one can be certain that a single team will not face challenges.

I agree that Liverpool need to take heed from this loss, more so to keep their consistency intact in the future. Arne Slot will for sure get more attention, for the pressure on him to keep his team on the winning track will be even greater. In case Liverpool are unable to build upon their momentum especially while up against other strong teams, then they might as well forget about catching up in the race for the title. Otherwise, if they can just correct mistakes and put better performance into next match, chances to remain competitive are still very much open.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on September 15, 2024, 10:39:53 AM

The first shocking loss of Arne Slot era has happened. Nobody expected Liverpool to have even have a chance that they would lose to Notthingham Forrest but it did happen and that's the sad part. I think it's clear that we are going to end up seeing this situation change quite a lot and I believe that we are going see many more of these happen in the future as well, feels like Liverpool definitely looks not that much worse since Klopp left, but not suddenly a great dominant team neither.

It would have been ideal for them if they lost to some bigger club but in the end they would have lost eventually so they just got that out of the way. Same week, we see United and Chelsea both get a win, two teams that are dealing with a lot of chaos right now, so it's definitely a good thing for them without a doubt. Specially United, who looked quite convincing while they were winning as well.

At least, with this defeat experienced by Liverpool, it will make competition in the upper zone of the standings more difficult, because so far at least their points are still close together. Although indeed, there is still Manchester City which is consistent with the results of winning in each match, but that does not mean Manchester City will not experience bad results or surprising results like Liverpool experienced. Thus, I personally hope that no team really goes alone at the top of the standings, because that will make the league uncompetitive.

But indeed, with this defeat it might also be a big concern for Liverpool's next matches, whether Arne Slot will still be able to make Liverpool consistent with good results, or maybe there will be an up and down phase and if that happens, then Liverpool will be left behind in the title race this season.

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Quote from: Tmoonz on September 15, 2024, 09:33:30 AM

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It is the second half of the game now and Arsenal is still being defensive than attacking while Tottenham are massively attacking but however, it is there home ground and may not likely intend to loss at their home ground or better still has a draw match with Arsenal, the game is very hot and terrifying, the both teams are performing very well but things goes out of hand and Tottenham Hotspur pressures over increases more than what am seeing Arsenal may have no other options than loss the game against Tottenham Hotspur, but well it is not over until it is over let the end justify.

The game was tough and rough for Arsenal but as a legend team they have to played a fair game to defend themselves. Tottenham Hotspur got 5 Yellow Cards and Arsenal got 3 Yellow Cards and only this told us that the Match was tough and rough. Arsenal used experienced won the game. And why I said experienced when they see that Tottenham Hotspur played more than them they have to retreat to the defense and played defense game till the end of the Match. Today was not Tottenham Hotspur lucky day to win the game if not they really play well.

Wolves vs Newcastle United is going on and Newcastle United as of now is oppressing Wolves but I still believe Wolves in the game.

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The first shocking loss of Arne Slot era has happened. Nobody expected Liverpool to have even have a chance that they would lose to Notthingham Forrest but it did happen and that's the sad part. I think it's clear that we are going to end up seeing this situation change quite a lot and I believe that we are going see many more of these happen in the future as well, feels like Liverpool definitely looks not that much worse since Klopp left, but not suddenly a great dominant team neither.

It would have been ideal for them if they lost to some bigger club but in the end they would have lost eventually so they just got that out of the way. Same week, we see United and Chelsea both get a win, two teams that are dealing with a lot of chaos right now, so it's definitely a good thing for them without a doubt. Specially United, who looked quite convincing while they were winning as well.

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Tottenham vs Arsenal match will be the first derby match to occur in the English league this season, the north london derby has been a match full of high intensity and also emotions, so don't expect us to see an easy match in the match, so far Arsenal has indeed been able to dominate the victory over Tottenham in the derby match but looking at what has happened to the current Arsenal squad of course I doubt they will win against Tottenham, the storm of injuries that befell Arsenal is a loss for Arsenal and Tottenham will certainly take advantage of the fragility of Arsenal today to win the match later.

The Arsenal Vs Tottenham game is getting problematic for the gunners, their mid field is weak, probably because of Rice's suspension, also Martin Odegaard's absence is affecting Saka's performance—He's not being fed with enough accurate passes. In addition, Tottenham is infiltrating their defense, and if they push more effort, Arsenal may be defeated in this match.

Arsenal is missing their entire midfielder. That's why they were so struggle, and their mid is kinda useless in this game. The problem is Jorginho, their midfielder. He can only play in games where they have most of the ball possession. Otherwise he's a liability. Also, i'd prefer to subs him with Nwaneri.

Martinelli has been so so fucking poor in this game, and he is often missing the ball.

It makes me nervous to see Arsenal's defense now. This is because spurs intensively attacking them. A very high tension of game.

It is the second half of the game now and Arsenal is still being defensive than attacking while Tottenham are massively attacking but however, it is there home ground and may not likely intend to loss at their home ground or better still has a draw match with Arsenal, the game is very hot and terrifying, the both teams are performing very well but things goes out of hand and Tottenham Hotspur pressures over increases more than what am seeing Arsenal may have no other options than loss the game against Tottenham Hotspur, but well it is not over until it is over let the end justify.

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Quote from: Accardo on September 15, 2024, 08:53:48 AM

Quote from: mammusu on September 15, 2024, 04:01:34 AM

Tottenham vs Arsenal match will be the first derby match to occur in the English league this season, the north london derby has been a match full of high intensity and also emotions, so don't expect us to see an easy match in the match, so far Arsenal has indeed been able to dominate the victory over Tottenham in the derby match but looking at what has happened to the current Arsenal squad of course I doubt they will win against Tottenham, the storm of injuries that befell Arsenal is a loss for Arsenal and Tottenham will certainly take advantage of the fragility of Arsenal today to win the match later.

The Arsenal Vs Tottenham game is getting problematic for the gunners, their mid field is weak, probably because of Rice's suspension, also Martin Odegaard's absence is affecting Saka's performance—He's not being fed with enough accurate passes. In addition, Tottenham is infiltrating their defense, and if they push more effort, Arsenal may be defeated in this match.

Arsenal is missing their entire midfielder. That's why they were so struggle, and their mid is kinda useless in this game. The problem is Jorginho, their midfielder. He can only play in games where they have most of the ball possession. Otherwise he's a liability. Also, i'd prefer to subs him with Nwaneri.

Martinelli has been so so fucking poor in this game, and he is often missing the ball.

It makes me nervous to see Arsenal's defense now. This is because spurs intensively attacking them. A very high tension of game.

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Quote from: Lida93 on September 15, 2024, 08:50:47 AM

Tottenham is controlling the game confidently and arguably in this game especially within the midfield. Just 32 minutes within the first regular time around the clock in this game they are enjoying 68% ball possession while arsenal is having 32%. It seems Mikel Arteta has chosen to sit behind in this match because am not even seeing much of Bukayo Saka in the game due to the much defensiveness of Arsenal in the game.

Tottenham is no doubt playing well in the beginning of the match, but as the match goes on towards the 30th minutes of the match, Arsenal took over for a while even though Tottenham maintained their possession.

This match is a match that is yet to be predicted; both the host and the visitors are making good effort to score first. Arsenal is making more contact and has created more attempts on goal than Tottenham, but Tottenham was a bit strong and were also good defensively which is the reason the are yet to concede goals from Arsenal, and Arsenal also miss chance in the first half.

Seven yellow cards given so far, it shows that the match is a derby match and no team wants to lose easily. Nevertheless, the Premier League referees are not doing well, they denied Arsenal a penalty by not checking the incident in the VAR, and the yellow card is becoming much because I am expecting more in the second half.

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Tottenham (Yellow cards) Udogir, Bentacur, Vicario, Van de Ven, Kulusevski
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The first half of Tottenham vs Arsenal was full of yellow card drama, counting 5 cards for the home team and 2 for Arsenal. So far the match has been very tight and hot, it is possible that there will be 1 or 2 red cards in this match. Both are trading attacks, David Raya reacted very well, in my opinion it will be quite difficult to guess who will come out as the winner because their levels of ambition are almost the same. The second half will definitely be much more exciting than the first half because they have to score the ball faster.

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Quote from: mammusu on September 15, 2024, 04:01:34 AM

Tottenham vs Arsenal match will be the first derby match to occur in the English league this season, the north london derby has been a match full of high intensity and also emotions, so don't expect us to see an easy match in the match, so far Arsenal has indeed been able to dominate the victory over Tottenham in the derby match but looking at what has happened to the current Arsenal squad of course I doubt they will win against Tottenham, the storm of injuries that befell Arsenal is a loss for Arsenal and Tottenham will certainly take advantage of the fragility of Arsenal today to win the match later.

The Arsenal Vs Tottenham game is getting problematic for the gunners, their mid field is weak, probably because of Rice's suspension, also Martin Odegaard's absence is affecting Saka's performance—He's not being fed with enough accurate passes. In addition, Tottenham is infiltrating their defense, and if they push more effort, Arsenal may be defeated in this match.

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Tottenham is controlling the game confidently and arguably in this game especially within the midfield. Just 32 minutes within the first regular time around the clock in this game they are enjoying 68% ball possession while arsenal is having 32%. It seems Mikel Arteta has chosen to sit behind in this match because am not even seeing much of Bukayo Saka in the game due to the much defensiveness of Arsenal in the game.

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Quote from: MK-74 on September 14, 2024, 05:49:24 PM

Liverpool suffered their first defeat against Nottingham Forest. Points lost to easy opponents are very important, they can cost them the championship.

M.City continues to win and are currently first in the league.

M.United won 3-0 but this is a win against the worst team in the league right now.
I still think Erik ten Hag is an unsuccessful manager.

Didn't see the game but Nuno Espirito has his ways of dealing with Liverpool even when he was manager of Wolverhampton years back.
Manchester United fans are so glad to see that Liverpool lost after they failed to secure a draw against Liverpool at Old Trafford.

Shout out to Erling Haaland who keeps banging these goals. Has he the chance of winning the Ballon d'or this season? His stats are hell crazy.
Oh stop crying for goodness sake and give him credits for the win they had yesterday. Giver better complements, most of y'all here will never be a great sportsman. Where's the spirit of sportsmanship in y'all? Laughable!

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