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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

Considering the performance of Barnsley, they are small team that should be definitely defeated by Manchester United by all means; but the way the game goes, I praise Manchester United team for pyting up such great performance in the game, it shows that they are ready for any competition including the Premier League because if they play like that in the Premier League, they will definitely do better than the way they have started the season so far.

The problem with Ten Hag and his team is consistency. Ten Hag's mode of selection of his first team is another problem because, but if he can keep up with the team he displayed in the Europa League, I think they will be among the title contenders alongside Liverpool and Arsenal.
Rashford needs consistency and Gernacho is a good goal scorer, if their connection will be stronger, they will definitely score more goals for Manchester United this season.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 19, 2024, 10:45:50 AM

Quote from: boltz on September 19, 2024, 07:12:17 AM

Yep. A lot of people were surprised to see United scoring more than 2 goals and we cannot blame them. Am an United fan for long years now but I know for sure that this team has no future at all and until they won't change the coach , nothing great will happen with this club. It's so bad that fans are starting to be happy just because our team can finally score more than 3 goals ...but guess what , it was a mediocre team who has no real achievement to make so conceding 7 goals against United is not a big deal. Hopefully Garnacho will remain the same guy , the same players and it will continue to troll Ten Hag as much as he can. Grin

Indeed. Manchester United have created a bad image for themselves after being unsuccessful for many years. After they started this season badly as well it is normal to see people getting surprised with this 7-0 win. Grin

But it was really needed for them undoubtedly. Because they were struggling to score goals and the defense was still in bad shape.

Until the Southampton match... Everything started to get better with that one and now we witnessed this magnificent effort. I don't doubt Garnacho but I hope Rashford also earns people's trust again with more of this effort.

a 7-0 victory over Barnsley will at least lift their current mentality, but I think the victory will not change our current view of Manchester United when their playing in the league, winning matches over weak teams is not surprising considering the quality of the squad that Manchester United has at the moment, but to still be able to compete for the Premier League championship trophy of course consistency is the main key for every team Including Manchester Unite, I
so think Ten Hag still has to prove himself at the moment as a decent coach to handle Manchester United and he must be able to overcome any pressure that comes from the matches they play including when facing big teams in the Premier League, so far Ten Hag claims he is the second best coach after Guardiola and winning the league this season will be prove that his claim in my opinion.

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Quote from: boltz on September 19, 2024, 07:12:17 AM

Yep. A lot of people were surprised to see United scoring more than 2 goals and we cannot blame them. Am an United fan for long years now but I know for sure that this team has no future at all and until they won't change the coach , nothing great will happen with this club. It's so bad that fans are starting to be happy just because our team can finally score more than 3 goals ...but guess what , it was a mediocre team who has no real achievement to make so conceding 7 goals against United is not a big deal. Hopefully Garnacho will remain the same guy , the same players and it will continue to troll Ten Hag as much as he can. Grin

Indeed. Manchester United have created a bad image for themselves after being unsuccessful for many years. After they started this season badly as well it is normal to see people getting surprised with this 7-0 win. Grin

But it was really needed for them undoubtedly. Because they were struggling to score goals and the defense was still in bad shape.

Until the Southampton match... Everything started to get better with that one and now we witnessed this magnificent effort. I don't doubt Garnacho but I hope Rashford also earns people's trust again with more of this effort.

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People were surprised by the big win against Barnsley. They had struggled against mediocre teams for a long time. Their last big win was against Southampton. They scored 9 goals then, and Ole was still coaching them. Then they rarely got that moment again until this time.

It has been a long time since then. They have always struggled against mediocre teams. And they do it now. This achievement is great for building up the United players' mentality.

Yes, they were surprised because they had not seen a performance like this for a long time, This result is Manchester United's biggest win since being coached by Erik Ten Hag. I don't think it's a surprise as Barnsley are not a worthy opponent for Manchester United, but this result can boost the players' confidence to improve their quality in EPL matches. Manchester United need to shift their focus to the EPL to face Crystal Palace at home, they need to do everything planned well to improve their position in the standings, currently they are in 10th place after only being able to get two wins and two losses in four matches.

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Quote from: boltz on September 19, 2024, 07:12:17 AM

Yep. A lot of people were surprised to see United scoring more than 2 goals and we cannot blame them. Am an United fan for long years now but I know for sure that this team has no future at all and until they won't change the coach , nothing great will happen with this club. It's so bad that fans are starting to be happy just because our team can finally score more than 3 goals ...but guess what , it was a mediocre team who has no real achievement to make so conceding 7 goals against United is not a big deal. Hopefully Garnacho will remain the same guy , the same players and it will continue to troll Ten Hag as much as he can. Grin

You are right, Manchester United have no chance with ten Hag, I think it is a big flaw of the management that they take so long to make obvious decisions, and they do this not only with ten Hag, they did the same with previous coaches. The second problem is that they choose coaches who do not have achievements at the highest level, let's look at who was the coach after Mourinho was sacked, it was Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Rangnick and now ten Hag, but it seems to me that for such a team you only need the best, like Ancelotti, Guardiola, Enrique, you understand what I mean, only in this case you can return Manchester United to its former success.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

People were surprised by the big win against Barnsley. They had struggled against mediocre teams for a long time. Their last big win was against Southampton. They scored 9 goals then, and Ole was still coaching them. Then they rarely got that moment again until this time.

It has been a long time since then. They have always struggled against mediocre teams. And they do it now. This achievement is great for building up the United players' mentality.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

Yep. A lot of people were surprised to see United scoring more than 2 goals and we cannot blame them. Am an United fan for long years now but I know for sure that this team has no future at all and until they won't change the coach , nothing great will happen with this club. It's so bad that fans are starting to be happy just because our team can finally score more than 3 goals ...but guess what , it was a mediocre team who has no real achievement to make so conceding 7 goals against United is not a big deal. Hopefully Garnacho will remain the same guy , the same players and it will continue to troll Ten Hag as much as he can. Grin

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Quote from: mammusu on September 19, 2024, 02:40:32 AM

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The best player of the match according to footmob is Garnacho but it doesn't matter who the best player in the match is chosen by several football score sites or applications.
Some people are surprised by Manchester United's 7 goals in the EFL Cup against Bransley because the league level is different and Manchester United players are above Bransley's players, which is also acceptable.
On September 21, they will also likely be overwhelmed against Crystal Palace.

The difference in class and also quality is very saw prominent in the match, so it is not surprising that Manchester United can win a big victory in the match, the score of 7-0 over Barsley is not any evidence at this time for Manchester United in judging their performance to remember the defeat to Liverpool with a score of 3-0 is actually more painful and difficult to treat even though they won the EFL cup match, Currently, Manchester United ability is still very doubtful in the Premier League so it is quite natural that even the match against Crystal Palace which is a weak team they are still doubtful will win easily, Ten Hag should realize that the English league trophy must be the main focus to restore the trust of fans in him at this time and not continue to boast of big victories over team that are in league one or the third division of the English league at the moment.

It has not been seen that Manchester United have performed promisingly this season even though they last won with a big score in the EFL Cup. If asked how important the 7-0 victory over Bransley is for them, I think the EFL Cup tournament is not a priority but their benchmark in the Premier League.
In the Premier League, they are very serious this season, but their efforts have not been seen with the results obtained. In terms of efforts to bring in players in the transfer window some time ago, their efforts and attempts were very serious, even the news of Erik ten Hag's statement that he would not be able to make Manchester United lift the trophy again.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

Manchester United have won two and lost two of their four English Premier League matches so far. If they had not lost any of these four matches, their points tally would have been higher and they would have been much higher in the points table in terms of points.

Manchester United played last match against Barnsley where Manchester United won against this team by a huge margin of 7-0 goals. They have won by a big margin ok but they can't maintain this winning streak. If they can maintain their winning streak and draw in tough matches without winning by a big margin, they will definitely be in a good place in the points table.
Let's see if Manchester United can perform so aggressively in the remaining matches of the season.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on September 19, 2024, 02:12:47 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

The best player of the match according to footmob is Garnacho but it doesn't matter who the best player in the match is chosen by several football score sites or applications.
Some people are surprised by Manchester United's 7 goals in the EFL Cup against Bransley because the league level is different and Manchester United players are above Bransley's players, which is also acceptable.
On September 21, they will also likely be overwhelmed against Crystal Palace.

The difference in class and also quality is very saw prominent in the match, so it is not surprising that Manchester United can win a big victory in the match, the score of 7-0 over Barsley is not any evidence at this time for Manchester United in judging their performance to remember the defeat to Liverpool with a score of 3-0 is actually more painful and difficult to treat even though they won the EFL cup match, Currently, Manchester United ability is still very doubtful in the Premier League so it is quite natural that even the match against Crystal Palace which is a weak team they are still doubtful will win easily, Ten Hag should realize that the English league trophy must be the main focus to restore the trust of fans in him at this time and not continue to boast of big victories over team that are in league one or the third division of the English league at the moment.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

The best player of the match according to footmob is Garnacho but it doesn't matter who the best player in the match is chosen by several football score sites or applications.
Some people are surprised by Manchester United's 7 goals in the EFL Cup against Bransley because the league level is different and Manchester United players are above Bransley's players, which is also acceptable.
On September 21, they will also likely be overwhelmed against Crystal Palace.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 18, 2024, 08:07:07 AM

Here is the injury list for Arsenal before the Manchester City game.

Injury source: https://www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-premier-league/

Even Saka looks doubtful but I think he will be back until then. However not having Odegaard and Merino both in the midfield will be a real problem for Arsenal. Sad

We already see the weaknesses in their Tottenham game.

But there isn't always bad news about them of course. Rice is back after his red card suspension. I hope to see him playing instead of Jorginho right away in this game. Arteta will need his best midfielders to fight back against Manchester City.

But, Arsenal's schedule gives them disadvantages. They must ensure their squad is fit. They're facing Atalanta soon. This will not be good for them. They have only 2 days to rest, including travel, after their game against Atalanta. And I think they need much more rotation in their squad.

It's good news to see Rice back in the squad after his two match suspensions. Though i think him won't play on UCL, but he will fight against Manchester City.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 18, 2024, 05:39:20 PM

I can’t help it but that’s the beauty of football, isn’t it. The game brings out the best and worse in us. I don’t fault Erik Ten Hag for not giving Ronaldo “the special treatment he deserves”, IMO Ronaldo is not that sort of player that is looking for any special treatment. He’s worked hard for every accolade he has received in this career. Yes he wants to play in all the matches. Every good player wants the same thing. It doesn’t make sense to bench your highest goal scorer in your big matches and only bring him in the last minutes of the game.

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I'm a staunch Cristiano Ronaldo fan and I'm.not gonna lie bout shit, bit maybe he should have reported for training sections during the pre-season games and competitions. I disliked the fact that with the Fifa World Cup Competition around the corner, Cristiano Ronaldo shouldn't have been dumped on the bench, but do you know what? That was the penalty for not reporting for training duties and also with his quest to play for a club in the Champions League Competition. You can not fault his wrongs on Erik Ten Hag, that is a wrong way to go about it. I see most of y'all here wants the success of the player more than the success of the entire squad and team.

Manchester United 🌟 Star Boi Garnacho inna red hot form, I'm hoping he'll get going consistently this season few games and the stats are obvious he'll do great this season.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

Honestly, I am impressed with Man United performance which was able to score big in the Carabao competition. However, it is very natural that most people will wonder why Man United is so enthusiastic in other competitions while in the EPL their performance is not like when they played against Barnsley.
However, I also have my own answer if the quality of the squad is very different and the quality of the players is also very different. So it is natural that MU can beat Barnsley with a big score because the two teams are not equal.
And I also agree with you that with a victory like this it should be able to increase the confidence, mentality and enthusiasm of MU players to be able to compete with top teams.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 18, 2024, 03:29:04 PM

City definitely looks like they are looking stronger and could beat Arsenal, but is it like really this much? Arsenal 4.70? That seems like they are not giving Arsenal no chance at all and that is why I think that's the most important part.

We should be considering this to be very important situation and that is why I think Arsenal may actually be a good bet here. I am not saying that they will win or anything like that, of course they could lose too and that's a big possibility as the odds show and that is why I think we need to not bet a lot of money into this and it wouldn't be worth it if we keep putting too much money into this but if we put in a serious amount of money then we are going to be fine and it shouldn't be a big issue at all. I will bet on Arsenal and put in like just ten bucks to it, it should be fine and not be that much of a big deal and we could make some profit from it. If I fail then all I am losing is just ten bucks and would be fine.

It is always important when betting to bet the amount of money we can afford to lose in case it didn't work out as plan you know you only lost money that didn't affect your personal living.
When placing a bet i only see football odd as just a number for odd doesn't mater when it come to football I have seen severally where big odd always wins the smaller odd so odd is just a number to me is not a bad prediction if you give Arsenal to win there weekend game against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium on Sunday though it won't really be easy for Arsenal since they will playing at away.
The Manchester City vs Arsenal match on weekend will be the most interesting and entertaining match to watch it is going to be tough for both team since both sides are in good form this season. My prediction is this game is both team to score and over 2.5 goals.

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I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

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Manchester United have not been the same since Sir Alex Ferguson left. My vexation with the club is that Ronaldo was meant to move to Manchester City before he was convinced by SAF to return to Old Trafford as their golden boy. I think the presence of Ronaldo in the squad gave hope to the fans and that raised their expectations, they were probably thinking they would return to the Manchester United of old. So when they were not getting positive results, they turned on their golden boy.

You’re right, I don’t think ETH and Ronaldo were a good match. I’m glad he left United, there’s nothing he could have done for that team. ETH was given the opportunity to get his own squad together and we can see how well that is going.

Don't get too emotional about Ronaldo, Erik ten Hag and Manchester United drama, it's just for entertainment. All three parties are to blame for the poor relationship between the coach and Ronaldo. Ronaldo wouldn't have criticised the club openly, he was remarketing them. Don't forget that United is a business brand and he receives his pay from them. His negative comments about the club can scare away investors from partnering with them .

The coach was also at fault because he failed to give a legend like Ronaldo the special treatment he deserves. He should know that most of the best coaches in the world developed the skills of managing players like Ronaldo. Lastly, the management of the club will take some part of the plan for forcing Ronaldo on the coach. He told the club that the Portuguese captain didn't fit in his style of play. They would have sought means to let the striker leave instead of allowing him to remain in the club.

I can’t help it but that’s the beauty of football, isn’t it. The game brings out the best and worse in us. I don’t fault Erik Ten Hag for not giving Ronaldo “the special treatment he deserves”, IMO Ronaldo is not that sort of player that is looking for any special treatment. He’s worked hard for every accolade he has received in this career. Yes he wants to play in all the matches. Every good player wants the same thing. It doesn’t make sense to bench your highest goal scorer in your big matches and only bring him in the last minutes of the game.

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Quote from: Richbased on September 18, 2024, 02:13:54 PM

I think Eric Ten Haag and his players are not blending together and if a coach doesn't form a good and quality relationship with his players, it is always difficult to achieve convincible success because the players will literally be doing things at their own will and not on the instructions of the head coach. Eric Ten Haag always accuse the players of their underperformance whereas he is also a part of the problem that the club is facing. Players can be very pompous sometimes but it doesn't mean that they should be followed up in same energy. At least as a coach he is supposed to calm every situation in the club down and not add to the already existing problems.

There's zero growing chemistry between the manager and his players. Erik Ten Hag is gernally known for his negative backlash towards the players. The same reason why Jadon Sancho exited Manchester United and triggered a loan move to Borrusia Dortmund, now he's currently a Chelsea player. Erik Ten Hag should learn to adapt with his players and learn to give credits to the ones that are having outstanding performance. Manchester United not in good form, but watching their performance, I think they can actually bounce back to incredible form, it's just about time before they can start recording streak winnings. Erik Ten Hag is part of the problem when we looked at Manchester United. It'd been one hell of a rough season for the Red Devils.

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Quote from: Richbased on September 18, 2024, 02:13:54 PM

I think Eric Ten Haag and his players are not blending together and if a coach doesn't form a good and quality relationship with his players, it is always difficult to achieve convincible success because the players will literally be doing things at their own will and not on the instructions of the head coach. Eric Ten Haag always accuse the players of their underperformance whereas he is also a part of the problem that the club is facing. Players can be very pompous sometimes but it doesn't mean that they should be followed up in same energy. At least as a coach he is supposed to calm every situation in the club down and not add to the already existing problems.

Since the beginning this has indeed happened because as a rational consideration when there is a match then there can be no dispute between players and coaches because in the end the dispute occurs only because they do not have a match between each other which unfortunately this happened even for a long time which made Manchester United's performance remain stuck without any significant change.

We cannot deny that fact even though there are still some trophies obtained but it cannot illustrate that Manchester United is doing well because in fact it is not like that in terms of performance.
But that doesn't mean this can't be changed because as long as they have the awareness to change themselves for the better including for Ten Hag and his players then a change in performance can still happen but we need a long time for that.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 18, 2024, 02:21:02 AM

Yes this is a huge odd especially for a team like Arsenal who are in very good form for two straight seasons now and have been a pain in the ass for Pep Guardiola and Manchester City. IMO there is a 50:50 chance for both sides in this fixture. And I will take my chances with Arsenal against Manchester City and hope Arsenal make it happen and I enjoy all 4.70 odds lol.

This is seriously a huge odd but I wouldn’t say I was too surprised seeing this because the odd is affected my many factors which one of them is depth of the team. Last season Arsenal took four points off Manchester city and excluding even the community shield win, which meant they went toe to toe with Pep boys and the came out triumphs I wouldn’t like this season I expected Arsenal to do the same but with the conditions of the club with injuries to their players I think it will be a bit add and hence the reason why we they have such huge odds.

Last season Declan Rice who luckily is going to be back Arsenal this weekend was a huge miss for them against Tottenham and also The club captain Martin Odegaard. Odegaard is arsenal mister reliable at the moment and without him they lack creativity in the midfield against Tottenham, a similar game against Manchester City will seriously put them in danger because city are very good at possession game and as such I wouldn’t wager on this game

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