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Donny van de Beek must be one of the biggest regrets for Manchester United by the way. Because they signed him for 39 million euros in 2020 but they sold him this month for only 500 thousand euros...  Sad

From now on, this team will really need to be more careful with their signings. Like I said, for now INEOS is doing a good job. Ugarte was on their radar but still not progress as far as I can see. PSG is about to make Joao Neves deal official soon. I think it should be easier to agree with PSG on Ugarte signing after that but let's see. I'm curious who else is going to leave the Red Devils this summer too. There are candidates but no action yet.

Well, it seems like Erik ten Hag really doesn't have a good choice when it about to buying and selling players because after all, Donny van de Beek also came from Ajax before and it's possible that Erik ten Hag brought him too at that time. But in reality, Donny van de Beek was also a loan player until he was actually sold at this moment to Girona after previously Donny van de Beek was loaned to Everton and Eintracht Frankfurt.

Thus, it seems like it would be better for Manchester United not to involve Erik ten Hag in plans to buy and sell players in this transfer market. Because after all, if Erik ten Hag is still fully involved in choosing the players who are bought and sold, then I think mistakes will still occur which will certainly be detrimental to the team.
The biggest problem or rather vulnerability or weakness of an MU is money, I consider that now that is one of the issues that not only they have been going through, but also some Italian teams, for me this is one of the things that they have, I am not at all an admirer of Ten Hag, I think very badly of him, however you have to work with him, but really things are tough, I want this team to do well, to shine in the PL, to be able to go far, because it is a team that has history, but this time they can't make any more mistakes.
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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.
Though I wasn't expecting Chelsea to lose their preseason friendly  game against Celtic, I wasn't also too surprised to see them suffer a defeat in the hands of the Scottish club since it wasn't a competitive game. Chelsea new manager I believe is still trying to establish his own style of football in the team which I think will take some time for him to perfect it. Chelsea under Enzo Maresca is still a work in progress and I believe they'll get better under him

Although it is possible that the final result is not the main goal in a friendly match like this, but by looking at Chelsea's performance in friendly matches against Celtic and Wrexham some time ago we can see that in the end there are still some things that Chelsea must improve in order to support a good performance later.

There are still many mistakes made in cooperation problems which in the end there are not a few mistakes from the players themselves.
In addition, the problem of emotions also seems to need to be taken into consideration and notice from Maresca at this time because after all we can see the tension that occurred when Chelsea faced Wrexham which actually fought on the field was not necessary especially it was a friendly match.
Chelsea still have to be more careful in their development so as not to harm in the season that will run a few more weeks for the EPL.
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I'd question why you're taking pre-season friendlies so seriously, but given what gets put in front of Chelsea every week, it's completely understandable
Conceded two goals in 3three minutes in the second half, Chelsea had over 50% possession, 23 shots 10 of which were on target, and scored one penalty. Celtic had 14 shots 11 on target, 47% possession, and scored 4, Imagine if Celtic had their strongest team

Preseason performance are not definitive but it gives some sense of outlook of the overall team ahead of the new season. With what I have seen from this Chelsea team so far, it has been awful to watch this Chelsea team play. Enzo has to be careful because the league is only going to get harder from here once the league officially starts. I know City lost to Celtics as well but man, that Chelsea loss was embarrassing to say the least.

Enzo needs a win against Club America because those Man city and Madrid games are going to be another magnitude of difficulty.
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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.

Because there isn't a long time period left for the season to start officially. Pochettino was sacked for no reason and now they have to experience the same process again. Enzo Maresca will need to adapt to the team to make things better. The worst case scenario would be his not being able to meet the expectations at all. In that case, I presume that Boehly would regret sacking Pochettino while things were getting better actually.

I'd question why you're taking pre-season friendlies so seriously, but given what gets put in front of Chelsea every week, it's completely understandable
Conceded two goals in 3three minutes in the second half, Chelsea had over 50% possession, 23 shots 10 of which were on target, and scored one penalty. Celtic had 14 shots 11 on target, 47% possession, and scored 4, Imagine if Celtic had their strongest team
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Though I wasn't expecting Chelsea to lose their preseason friendly  game against Celtic, I wasn't also too surprised to see them suffer a defeat in the hands of the Scottish club since it wasn't a competitive game. Chelsea new manager I believe is still trying to establish his own style of football in the team which I think will take some time for him to perfect it. Chelsea under Enzo Maresca is still a work in progress and I believe they'll get better under him
If every club is losing their pre season matches, a club like Chelsea isn’t supposed to lose their match. Chelsea has a new coach, and the coach is trying to set up a squad for the team. If Chelsea can lose their pre season matches, then how are they going to perform when the season starts? I have the feeling that they will perform the same way they are performing now because Chelsea are using their main players to play currently. Seriously, I was just disappointed at Chelsea, the goal margin is just kind of high. I just hope Pochettino's performance won’t be better than Enzo Maresca's.

I was very shocked when I saw the result of that match, loosing would have been part of what was expected but the goal difference was something we wouldn't love to witness, also watching on how the goals were scored then I consider their performance worst right now, a club like Celtic won with such build up then how about Manchester City. Chelsea defense line was weak, including the keeper. Maresca should find every possible way to improve the team performance before the start of the season, with what Chelsea played against Celtic, not far from being close to relegation. But, this is not what to hop on because I believe they will do well, let's take it as his first trial and undoubtedly he would increase his team potentials.
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Though I wasn't expecting Chelsea to lose their preseason friendly  game against Celtic, I wasn't also too surprised to see them suffer a defeat in the hands of the Scottish club since it wasn't a competitive game. Chelsea new manager I believe is still trying to establish his own style of football in the team which I think will take some time for him to perfect it. Chelsea under Enzo Maresca is still a work in progress and I believe they'll get better under him
If every club is losing their pre season matches, a club like Chelsea isn’t supposed to lose their match. Chelsea has a new coach, and the coach is trying to set up a squad for the team. If Chelsea can lose their pre season matches, then how are they going to perform when the season starts? I have the feeling that they will perform the same way they are performing now because Chelsea are using their main players to play currently. Seriously, I was just disappointed at Chelsea, the goal margin is just kind of high. I just hope Pochettino's performance won’t be better than Enzo Maresca's.
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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.
Though I wasn't expecting Chelsea to lose their preseason friendly  game against Celtic, I wasn't also too surprised to see them suffer a defeat in the hands of the Scottish club since it wasn't a competitive game. Chelsea new manager I believe is still trying to establish his own style of football in the team which I think will take some time for him to perfect it. Chelsea under Enzo Maresca is still a work in progress and I believe they'll get better under him
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Without being told, Ten Hag has a lot to work on this time. I don't see Manchester United going far with the current squad. If nothing is still not done, sign new players and let the old ones go. Ten Hag will be the one to blame not the players afterwards, if Manchester United didn't appear at the top of the table again. That could even lead to his sack as being an incompetent coach who can get his team players in good playing positions to top the PL table.

I don't know whether Ten Heg needs to be reminded again that, he will be the only one to be held responsible(not the management of the team) if Manchester United doesn't perform well again. However, for Ten Hag to avoid a sack not to happen towards him, he should do the necessary thing by telling the Manchester United management to sign new players and let go of the old ones, if they want the team's performance to be good compared to last season
Good thing that he is facing this issues now, I think Manchester United will still be much more active this transfer windows especially from the fact that Rasmund and Yoro who they just recently signed where injured in the friendly match against Arsenal, with Yoro injured and Martinez past injuries record it is obvious they will have to sign more Cb while they already going for another Rb since Aron Wan Bissaka is open for sale.

I think Ten Hag will be spending much still to improve his squad though it will be quite Ironic if he fail to at least get to EPL top 4 or win a better trophy possibly the Europa league.  Though I`m thinking if United won`t consider getting a competitor for Onana as main goalie.
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Columbus Crew 4 - 1 Aston Villa
Vissel Kobe 2 - 3 Tottenham Hotspur
Chelsea 1 - 4 Celtic
Hull City 0 - 2 Newcastle United
Arsenal 2 - 1 Manchester United
Liverpool 1 - 0 Real Betis
Manchester City 2 - 3 AC Milan

Have you notice the pattern? the strong teams are losing in friendly match!

It means Aston Villa, Chelsea, Manchester United, and Manchester City are strong teams in this season because they're lose.

While Tottenham, Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool are weak, so don't be surprised if we wouldn't see Arsenal and Liverpool in top 2 and 3 positions.


I will say this is funny. This is just a friendly match. As we all know, many strong teams tend to play without putting in more effort. I think that is why the results came this way, but your saying that Liverpool and Arsenal will not be strong this season will not be accepted by me, although the future will tell, so let not overemphasise because we see those strong teams losing at first. A lot of this might happen along the way, so let focus and stop thinking about anything else and wait for the main game to start so that we can see those teams that will be strong and ready to display their talents. 
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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.
Defeats and losing points is definitely not the direction of any elite club and watching the Blues easily getting thrashed by other oppositions, it's bad news. The EPL 2024/2025 is around the corner and this is crucially not the time to start losing irrelevant games, we need a formidable clubs that's balance and confident of games victory. Chelsea continuous defeats in the pre-season, definitely not balance for the club. Perhaps the new manager, Enzo Maresca have big plans for the club.
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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.

Because there isn't a long time period left for the season to start officially. Pochettino was sacked for no reason and now they have to experience the same process again. Enzo Maresca will need to adapt to the team to make things better. The worst case scenario would be his not being able to meet the expectations at all. In that case, I presume that Boehly would regret sacking Pochettino while things were getting better actually.

Losing in friendly matches is not a big problem because after all, it would be dangerous if Enzo Maresca forced his players to play optimally because this would also be dangerous for injury. Therefore, I don't think it's a problem about Chelsea not getting good results in friendly matches because after all, friendly matches are just to get players or teams back to fitness.

Because for me, friendly matches are not about winning results, because with friendly matches at least the coach will have his own assessment for each player in his squad. Therefore, instead of aiming for victory just in friendly matches that have risks about injury, then I think it is enough to play appropriately and not to overpower.
The friendly match is actually a match intended to see the fitness and performance of the players and is also an opportunity for the coach to experiment with the strategy and framework of the main team he has formed, but in chelsea case I don't know whether we should judge the two negative results achieved by Chelsea as fair or bad result in their get current friendly match, because if we look at the negative results obtained by Manchester United, City, Liverpool and Arsenal in friendly matches,

it is very natural because some of the players they have fielded are young players and reserves, but if we look at Chelsea next season it will be relying on young players, isn't there a worry that the negative results obtained now not difference with their performance next season?
Honestly, If looking at the young squad that Chelsea currently has, I hope that their will be able to develop well to be able to compete in the English league, but for next season it looks like we will not see Chelsea best performance yet.


You are correct about your perspective on the current Chelsea's team performance come this season base on the increasing number of young players in their right now, and secondly, from the perspective of a new manager in place, they're going to find it a bit of difficulty to get to do better this season, reason being that the new manager Enzo Maresca needs to study and get to understand his players and formation that best suits this current Chelsea's squad.
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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.

Because there isn't a long time period left for the season to start officially. Pochettino was sacked for no reason and now they have to experience the same process again. Enzo Maresca will need to adapt to the team to make things better. The worst case scenario would be his not being able to meet the expectations at all. In that case, I presume that Boehly would regret sacking Pochettino while things were getting better actually.

Losing in friendly matches is not a big problem because after all, it would be dangerous if Enzo Maresca forced his players to play optimally because this would also be dangerous for injury. Therefore, I don't think it's a problem about Chelsea not getting good results in friendly matches because after all, friendly matches are just to get players or teams back to fitness.

Because for me, friendly matches are not about winning results, because with friendly matches at least the coach will have his own assessment for each player in his squad. Therefore, instead of aiming for victory just in friendly matches that have risks about injury, then I think it is enough to play appropriately and not to overpower.
The friendly match is actually a match intended to see the fitness and performance of the players and is also an opportunity for the coach to experiment with the strategy and framework of the main team he has formed, but in chelsea case I don't know whether we should judge the two negative results achieved by Chelsea as fair or bad result in their get current friendly match, because if we look at the negative results obtained by Manchester United, City, Liverpool and Arsenal in friendly matches, it is very natural because some of the players they have fielded are young players and reserves, but if we look at Chelsea next season it will be relying on young players, isn't there a worry that the negative results obtained now not difference with their performance next season?
Honestly, If looking at the young squad that Chelsea currently has, I hope that their will be able to develop well to be able to compete in the English league, but for next season it looks like we will not see Chelsea best performance yet.

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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.

Because there isn't a long time period left for the season to start officially. Pochettino was sacked for no reason and now they have to experience the same process again. Enzo Maresca will need to adapt to the team to make things better. The worst case scenario would be his not being able to meet the expectations at all. In that case, I presume that Boehly would regret sacking Pochettino while things were getting better actually.

Losing in friendly matches is not a big problem because after all, it would be dangerous if Enzo Maresca forced his players to play optimally because this would also be dangerous for injury. Therefore, I don't think it's a problem about Chelsea not getting good results in friendly matches because after all, friendly matches are just to get players or teams back to fitness.

Because for me, friendly matches are not about winning results, because with friendly matches at least the coach will have his own assessment for each player in his squad. Therefore, instead of aiming for victory just in friendly matches that have risks about injury, then I think it is enough to play appropriately and not to overpower.
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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.

It's a setback for Chelsea. They had beaten Wrexham 5-0 last season, but Chelsea drew against them now. A big setback for Chelsea. I know the decision to replace Pochettino with Maresca is very bad. It's still just a pre-season game. But this seems like a bad scoreline no matter what. Also, Chelsea owners Todd Boehly and Beghdad Eghbali bet too much on Maresca.
I'm really nervous about how Maresca managing Chelsea in the Prem. If he doesn't change his tactics, Chelsea will have a terrible season.And again, Maresca can't keep playing without a talented squad.

Because there isn't a long time period left for the season to start officially. Pochettino was sacked for no reason and now they have to experience the same process again. Enzo Maresca will need to adapt to the team to make things better. The worst case scenario would be his not being able to meet the expectations at all. In that case, I presume that Boehly would regret sacking Pochettino while things were getting better actually.

To be honest, Chelsea's pre-season under Maresca is worse than under Pochettino. I think Chelsea is now at a very low point compared to when Pochettino managed them. Maresca's unbalanced squad will be a disaster. Boehly must tell Lampard to be ready as Chelsea's interim manager. I expect Lampard to replace Maresca in the middle of the season.
Cole Palmer has a lot of hard carrying to do this season. His club has been consistently horrendous. Palmer probabl chelsea's hope, and that's pretty much the same like last season.
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Columbus Crew 4 - 1 Aston Villa
Vissel Kobe 2 - 3 Tottenham Hotspur
Chelsea 1 - 4 Celtic
Hull City 0 - 2 Newcastle United
Arsenal 2 - 1 Manchester United
Liverpool 1 - 0 Real Betis
Manchester City 2 - 3 AC Milan

Have you notice the pattern? the strong teams are losing in friendly match!

It means Aston Villa, Chelsea, Manchester United, and Manchester City are strong teams in this season because they're lose.

While Tottenham, Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool are weak, so don't be surprised if we wouldn't see Arsenal and Liverpool in top 2 and 3 positions.

What are you saying? Lol! Arsenal is weak? They was obviously the better side earlier this morning, I don't know if you saw the game but they don't look weak but still, good enough and opened for more improvement within themselves ahead of a new season. They remain my favorite to win the Premier League Competition this season.

For the game between Chelsea and Celtic, I feel like the things obviously seen in that game has got to be both the selection and finally the  defenders, they committed a whole lotta blunders, go take a proper look at Fofana,you'd regret why they brought him in for such figures. No regrets now, cool it's just a friendly.

Arsenal deserves the win you see, and they have earned it themselves. They was the better side in between. Manchester City has lost both pre-season games, I'm yet to see sky sports and the media dragging them. These people are disgusting. I wonder and ponder why the so much hate on Man United.
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I don’t really understand you, do you really mean Manchester United have a very good team right now? I don’t really think so, because if they have a very good team, then they won’t have ended last season in the position in which they ended it. I am sure it would have been in a better position. and I don’t thing with the players that Manchester United are having currently, they are going to perform well next season.
 
If Manchester City wants to perform well next season, then there are some things that are supposed to be done. If Manchester maintains their last season squad, then they are still going to disappoint most of their fans because they won’t be able to achieve anything serious by next season. Ten Hag really has lots to work on.

You speak as if you understand Man United but what you say is just nonsense. Didn't you see that Man United is very active in the transfer window right now? they did it like that because Man United wants change and you can be sure they will face next season with all the changes. Even now, Man United is still working on their plans, and in the near time, it is very likely that they will soon get a new defensive midfielder and right-back.

Manchester United has a decent team. I don’t know if I can call it a very good one or not. Because calling the current Manchester United squad very good one is probably not right. let’s compare them with actually those teams who have very good squads. Let’s compare them to Manchester City, or Real Madrid. I don’t think they have a squad anywhere near those two teams. And those two teams are probably the best right now. The current Red Devils squad is decent. But expecting from Erik Ten Hag to win the English premier league title with this squad is probably not going to be a wise thing to do. Because they are probably not going to be able to perform well enough against squad like Arsenal, Manchester City and others who are consistently in the title race.

I have a feeling that the next season for Red Devils is also not going to be satisfying for the fans, yes they are very active on transfer window let's see how much ETH can do upcoming  season.
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I'm afraid Chelsea couldn't start the friendly matches well.  Sad  First a draw against Wrexham and now a huge defeat by Celtic, 4-1.  Maresca is new around here of course but hopefully he manages to find the right system for the team soon.

Because there isn't a long time period left for the season to start officially. Pochettino was sacked for no reason and now they have to experience the same process again. Enzo Maresca will need to adapt to the team to make things better. The worst case scenario would be his not being able to meet the expectations at all. In that case, I presume that Boehly would regret sacking Pochettino while things were getting better actually.
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Columbus Crew 4 - 1 Aston Villa
Vissel Kobe 2 - 3 Tottenham Hotspur
Chelsea 1 - 4 Celtic
Hull City 0 - 2 Newcastle United
Arsenal 2 - 1 Manchester United
Liverpool 1 - 0 Real Betis
Manchester City 2 - 3 AC Milan

Have you notice the pattern? the strong teams are losing in friendly match!

It means Aston Villa, Chelsea, Manchester United, and Manchester City are strong teams in this season because they're lose.

While Tottenham, Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool are weak, so don't be surprised if we wouldn't see Arsenal and Liverpool in top 2 and 3 positions.
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I don’t really understand you, do you really mean Manchester United have a very good team right now? I don’t really think so, because if they have a very good team, then they won’t have ended last season in the position in which they ended it. I am sure it would have been in a better position. and I don’t thing with the players that Manchester United are having currently, they are going to perform well next season.
 
If Manchester City wants to perform well next season, then there are some things that are supposed to be done. If Manchester maintains their last season squad, then they are still going to disappoint most of their fans because they won’t be able to achieve anything serious by next season. Ten Hag really has lots to work on.


You speak as if you understand Man United but what you say is just nonsense. Didn't you see that Man United is very active in the transfer window right now? they did it like that because Man United wants change and you can be sure they will face next season with all the changes. Even now, Man United is still working on their plans, and in the near time, it is very likely that they will soon get a new defensive midfielder and right-back.
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What I always say is that Manchester United is a very old club and this club has a lot of tradition but in terms of performance this club is not in a good position at all.
Yes it is true that Manchester United is a very old club even they have a lot of tradition. During the game tradition and old clubs have to play well on the field to win the match. We enjoyed a friendly match between Arsenal and Manchester United where Arsenal players performed best. If we take a complete overview of this match, we can see that Arsenal progressed in ball positions and passing the ball perhaps proving that they worked hard today even got their hard work rewarded. However, in today's match, Manchester United scored first and then they started playing sloppy football and Arsenal players took advantage of that opportunity to score two goals in Manchester United's net to bring their team to the brink of victory.

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