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I understand that everyone is expecting United to do better this season or at least requiring them to do better, 8th is not acceptable level for United and they need to really do better. But, I also think that they have the potential, that 8th was just very low for how good they are, they shouldn't have been that low anyway, and I think it needs to be considered different.

I think the best way to move forward with this would be realizing that we could probably go about doing something better. I am not saying that we are going to deal with things that will change a while, and United won't be some contender or anything, but being at 5th-4th place would be a lot better, that seems like we could definitely see something changing.

8th is exactly where they deserved to be. Too many players on huge wages who don’t give 100% every week. Man Utd get up for the big games but being successful is about more than that.

Ten Hag needs to get rid of the underperforming high earners. They need to put their faith in the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund.
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I understand that everyone is expecting United to do better this season or at least requiring them to do better, 8th is not acceptable level for United and they need to really do better. But, I also think that they have the potential, that 8th was just very low for how good they are, they shouldn't have been that low anyway, and I think it needs to be considered different.

I think the best way to move forward with this would be realizing that we could probably go about doing something better. I am not saying that we are going to deal with things that will change a while, and United won't be some contender or anything, but being at 5th-4th place would be a lot better, that seems like we could definitely see something changing.
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So if Kevin De Bruyne leaves the club, it will definitely affect the performance of the club to some extent.
Kevin De Bruyne is indeed the best midfielder that Man City has. He has helped the striker with the passes he provides, as proven when he was injured, Haaland did not perform optimally because rarely anyone provided passes, in other words, De Bruyne has the most important position at Man City.

But Kevin De Bruyne is getting older, it is reported that he will leave Man City this summer and there are rumors that he has made a deal with one of the Saudi Arabian clubs, ready or not ready, Man City must prepare the best midfielder who will replace him, there are many good players at various clubs, Pep must be smart good at assessing players who have potential like Kevin De Bruyne. I know this player is difficult to replace, but no matter what, Man City cannot force the player to continue at Man City.

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Age is very important in the game of football so many talented players have had to leave big clubs just because of age. 
Kevin De Bruyne is one of the best midfielders in the world and is one of Manchester City's most trusted names but recently there have been rumors that he could leave Manchester City for another destination in this transfer window. 

Although this is just a rumor right now, there is a possibility that this may be true. Manchester City may offer him for a maximum of one more season, the Manchester City midfielder may not agree to this offer, so he may go to another club of his choice. There have been rumors of him leaving the club, with the latter likely to finish out the rest of his career in the Saudi league. When a player is rumored to be switching teams, many have expressed a variety of comments, and now it remains to be seen which club he ultimately chooses to spend the rest of his career at.
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I'm very surprised that Liverpool is yet to sign a new player at this time of the summer. After Jurgen Klopp left the club, I expect the new manager to sign few new players that'll probably suit his style of football but since he's yet to sign any
I don’t think the new coach will want to maintain the players that Klopp left, maybe he is just observing first, or maybe he thinks the current players will fit the style of his play also, but the transfer window is still open and there is still time. We just have to wait and see the next step that he will take. But if he knows what’s best for him, then he should just sign more players, he shouldn’t rely on the players that he is currently having in the club because some patterns of play might not be similar to his own.

Jürgen Klopp actually left a good team. I think the new coach won't need too many changes. Some changes will still be required, though. Some players must go, some players must come. That's why good follow-up and research is needed while there is still time. Liverpool is a team that should be on the way to the title this year and they have a good time to build the best squad.
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Liverpool is still very silent in the transfer window which is quite interesting to me.  Huh  There is one month to go for the Premier League to restart. One month left and still no transfer must be worrying for Liverpool fans. Of course there is no important player they have lost recently either. But still I thought there would be some players Arne Slot would like to see in his team.  Sad

In fact, there are many rumors saying that there are several players who have been linked with Liverpool, but still no one has really made a definite deal. I think Arne Slot really wants to develop the players left by Jurgen Kloop because Liverpool also still has good players in it, if Arne Slot can provide a suitable strategy for Liverpool to become a title challenger again for Man City and Arsenal at the top of the standings.

I'm curious about whether Salah will leave this summer as well. Al-Ittihad has been interested but no official offer yet as far as I know. Liverpool had better be ready to find a solid replacement in case it happens.
The season will start soon but there is no latest news regarding Salah's future, whether he will leave for the Saudi League or stay for another season. If Liverpool want to sell him, they should do it now and immediately buy a star player to replace him because Al Ittihad is still making a fairly high offer and Liverpool can get a player by selling Salah. Liverpool still have time to think, but if they haven't found the right player option and are still in doubt, it's better to keep him. He also still had good performance last season even though he is getting older. If he is not injured, it is very likely that he will still score a lot.


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Yea, I agree with what you are actually saying here, Arne slot hasn't brought in anybody now due to the fact that he is still evaluating the players at his disposal, and sincerely speaking, their are loads of talent in this Liverpool side which can still challenge Manchester city to the title if they are being handled by a very competent manager, so I wouldn't be that surprise if no new player is signed into this Liverpool team next season, because they have an abundance of talent in their squad already.

Then talking about mo Salah, I think if he moves away from this Liverpool side, he is definitely going to be a very big loss to this Liverpool side, and if something like that happens, they needs to replace him with someone more capable, that can fill the void left by the legendary mo Salah, but right now, he is still a Liverpool player, nothing is confirmed yet.

And lastly, it will be very good if Arne slot start training with his players very early, so as to know where the team is seriously lacking, so that something decisive can be done on that.
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Liverpool is still very silent in the transfer window which is quite interesting to me.  Huh  There is one month to go for the Premier League to restart. One month left and still no transfer must be worrying for Liverpool fans. Of course there is no important player they have lost recently either. But still I thought there would be some players Arne Slot would like to see in his team.  Sad

In fact, there are many rumors saying that there are several players who have been linked with Liverpool, but still no one has really made a definite deal. I think Arne Slot really wants to develop the players left by Jurgen Kloop because Liverpool also still has good players in it, if Arne Slot can provide a suitable strategy for Liverpool to become a title challenger again for Man City and Arsenal at the top of the standings.

I'm curious about whether Salah will leave this summer as well. Al-Ittihad has been interested but no official offer yet as far as I know. Liverpool had better be ready to find a solid replacement in case it happens.
The season will start soon but there is no latest news regarding Salah's future, whether he will leave for the Saudi League or stay for another season. If Liverpool want to sell him, they should do it now and immediately buy a star player to replace him because Al Ittihad is still making a fairly high offer and Liverpool can get a player by selling Salah. Liverpool still have time to think, but if they haven't found the right player option and are still in doubt, it's better to keep him. He also still had good performance last season even though he is getting older. If he is not injured, it is very likely that he will still score a lot.


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ETH was asked to stay, and if the team decided to keep Erik Tan Hag, then they have to follow what he wants. And with typical Dutch manager fashion, he brought in the next star on his list, because he knows how to manage Dutch players and that is who he wanted. I believe that we are going to see them do much better with time, and ETH is building a team that he can control and he can manage.

This transfer could be a great one or a terrible one, we do not know but what we know is that they are trying to do their best, which is all you can ask from them. This may take a while, but it doesn't mean that we are not going to see any success, of course they are going to do fine, they just need some time but could be great right away too.
I have never believed Erik Ten Hang in his ability to sign good players. Some of the quality players that are still being enjoyed in Manchester United today was signed by Luiz Van Gal. The few forwards that Erik signed seems to be flop. When a credible coach wants to sign a player, the nationality of the player shouldn't come in play. It is the ability that is needed. Which one is that Erik Ten Hang can manage German players.

Erik is not good in signing forwards and even midfielders. Anthony and Hojlund are yet to perform. Meanwhile, my advice to him is that he should try and sign defenders. Defence wins titles.
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ETH was asked to stay, and if the team decided to keep Erik Tan Hag, then they have to follow what he wants. And with typical Dutch manager fashion, he brought in the next star on his list, because he knows how to manage Dutch players and that is who he wanted. I believe that we are going to see them do much better with time, and ETH is building a team that he can control and he can manage.

This transfer could be a great one or a terrible one, we do not know but what we know is that they are trying to do their best, which is all you can ask from them. This may take a while, but it doesn't mean that we are not going to see any success, of course they are going to do fine, they just need some time but could be great right away too.
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I'm very surprised that Liverpool is yet to sign a new player at this time of the summer. After Jurgen Klopp left the club, I expect the new manager to sign few new players that'll probably suit his style of football but since he's yet to sign any
I don’t think the new coach will want to maintain the players that Klopp left, maybe he is just observing first, or maybe he thinks the current players will fit the style of his play also, but the transfer window is still open and there is still time. We just have to wait and see the next step that he will take. But if he knows what’s best for him, then he should just sign more players, he shouldn’t rely on the players that he is currently having in the club because some patterns of play might not be similar to his own.
Some of the players who are already there for me are pretty good the squad that Klopp left just needs a combination of strategies from Arne Slot how to adjust the game to his tactics because if you change the total whole that Arne Slot wants it will be difficult to do unless slowly in the next few seasons.

If you don't sell some players maybe Arne Slot will sell players in the first half of the season if the transfer window is open, if there are players who don't suit him, but so far Arne is still happy with the squad he has meaning there is no significant shortage just need to add a few players so far there are still no rumors.
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You are actually right. With the current situation of the Manchester United dressing room, actually, with the current situation of Manchester United club as a whole, I think they need some players who can actually provide some wisdom for the team. But other than that if we look at it from the perspective of his contribution in the field, he is nothing but a squad rotation player that will be used in those matches where Manchester United needs to rest the main 11 players. You know these are actually the last days of him playing at the top level of competitions. But he was definitely useful for Manchester United in the last season and maybe they will be able to use him in this upcoming season as well, I've seen he is very well motivated for 2024/25.
The problem in this case is that Ten Hag really cannot provide the best in the selection of prospective Manchester United players and to date when he took office we can certainly see some of the players he brought in in the end ended in failure.
Some of the names that Ten Hag did bring in during his coaching until now especially at high prices include Antony, Mount, Onana and Hojlund almost all the players brought in have a fairly large price but in the end it only ends in failure and even for Mount maybe this time he was the worst because during 1 season he was brought in by Manchester United only 14 times he played (mostly starting from the bench) and only scored 1 goal and that is clearly not a good performance for a player worth 60 million.

It's important to see how the player fits in with the club in the end but Ten Hag can't do that because most of the players he brings in are always Eredivisie players or players he has coached. So for this transfer season, of course, Manchester United must be more careful in choosing new players so that the money spent is not comparable to the performance given.
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I'm very surprised that Liverpool is yet to sign a new player at this time of the summer. After Jurgen Klopp left the club, I expect the new manager to sign few new players that'll probably suit his style of football but since he's yet to sign any
I don’t think the new coach will want to maintain the players that Klopp left, maybe he is just observing first, or maybe he thinks the current players will fit the style of his play also, but the transfer window is still open and there is still time. We just have to wait and see the next step that he will take. But if he knows what’s best for him, then he should just sign more players, he shouldn’t rely on the players that he is currently having in the club because some patterns of play might not be similar to his own.
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Liverpool is still very silent in the transfer window which is quite interesting to me.  Huh  There is one month to go for the Premier League to restart. One month left and still no transfer must be worrying for Liverpool fans. Of course there is no important player they have lost recently either. But still I thought there would be some players Arne Slot would like to see in his team.  Sad

I'm curious about whether Salah will leave this summer as well. Al-Ittihad has been interested but no official offer yet as far as I know. Liverpool had better be ready to find a solid replacement in case it happens.
I'm very surprised that Liverpool is yet to sign a new player at this time of the summer. After Jurgen Klopp left the club, I expect the new manager to sign few new players that'll probably suit his style of football but since he's yet to sign any new player to the club, I think he's probably okay with what he has already or he's probably weighing his options which he'll probably sign before the end of the summer transfer window.
For Mohammed Salah, I'm surprised that nothing have been said about him and his future but there are reports that Liverpool has gotten offers from few Saudi Arabian clubs however, none of them have been confirmed by the club. I don't know if the new manager will want to continue to work with Mohammed Salah but I believe clarifications about his future will be made known soon.
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Liverpool is still very silent in the transfer window which is quite interesting to me.  Huh  There is one month to go for the Premier League to restart. One month left and still no transfer must be worrying for Liverpool fans. Of course there is no important player they have lost recently either. But still I thought there would be some players Arne Slot would like to see in his team.  Sad

I'm curious about whether Salah will leave this summer as well. Al-Ittihad has been interested but no official offer yet as far as I know. Liverpool had better be ready to find a solid replacement in case it happens.
I'm very surprised that Liverpool is yet to sign a new player at this time of the summer. After Jurgen Klopp left the club, I expect the new manager to sign few new players that'll probably suit his style of football but since he's yet to sign any
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Meanwhile, for their arrival this season, there is only Joshua Zirkzee, a center-forward from Bologna who is considered quite suitable for Man United.

Zirkzee is a good transfer in my opinion. After parting ways with Martial, the only mainly CF left in the squad was Hojlund. They needed some more squad depth in the position and Zirkzee has arrived.  Smiley

Zirkzee was a solid transfer by Ten Hag. Losing Martial is obviously leaving a loophole in Manchester United's attack. So, Ten hag take the right step to bring Zirkzee from Bologna to the united. A smart move from Ten hag. Im not even feeling worry to bet on United once Hojlund gets injury.

Ten Hag is now seeing the problem he must solve. It shows his effort to rebuild United and compete for the title in the coming season. Ten hag needs only to strengthen their defensive line.


The transfer fee is said to be 42.5 million euros. I think it is a good amount for a young player whose future looks bright. Rashford can also play as CF but he should just be sold already. One season he is great, in another he is the opposite. This can't go on like that. You need to be consistent after a point. Rashford isn't a rookie either so this shouldn't be tolerated by the Red Devils. I'm curious whether there is any interested team this summer.
Zirkzee has impressive performance in Bologna. His price is far lower than Hojlund's. That's a smart buy by Ten Hag.

About Rashford, He was sometimes playing as CF. This was because Manchester United had no strikers left at that time. Rashford is the only guy who can play better as central striker. The red devil has not included Rashford on their future plan, and i expect Ten hag tries to sell him soon.
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Liverpool is still very silent in the transfer window which is quite interesting to me.  Huh  There is one month to go for the Premier League to restart. One month left and still no transfer must be worrying for Liverpool fans. Of course there is no important player they have lost recently either. But still I thought there would be some players Arne Slot would like to see in his team.  Sad

I'm curious about whether Salah will leave this summer as well. Al-Ittihad has been interested but no official offer yet as far as I know. Liverpool had better be ready to find a solid replacement in case it happens.
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Jonny Evans knows Manchester United from the time of Sir Alex Ferguson, he knew what it was like in the dressing room, so I believe he is more than just a player for rotation but also for experience and leadership of the dressing room, pitch and club. He is a much better player than Harry Maguire for me. Feels good to see Manchester United extending his contract until next season.


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You are actually right. With the current situation of the Manchester United dressing room, actually, with the current situation of Manchester United club as a whole, I think they need some players who can actually provide some wisdom for the team. But other than that if we look at it from the perspective of his contribution in the field, he is nothing but a squad rotation player that will be used in those matches where Manchester United needs to rest the main 11 players. You know these are actually the last days of him playing at the top level of competitions. But he was definitely useful for Manchester United in the last season and maybe they will be able to use him in this upcoming season as well, I've seen he is very well motivated for 2024/25.
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Talks about Manchester city's 115 charges are starting to brew again. The last time the volume of discussion on the charges were like this was towards the end of last season. What changed? Has there been any new developments on the case? Ipl personally would love to see City get punished if any of the shady deals their management did helped them in any way to win those titles that they have won in recent years.

If City is convicted, we can see a whole new dynamics in the league and see teams compete fairly for the title. FA have plenty of work to do because in recent years, there have been more than double the cases of cheating in the premier league.
I don't see any significant developments happening in the case and after all this time Manchester City seem to feel that they have never done anything wrong with every accusation that is accused against them, if we look urge from at the many other clubs in the English league for the FA to immediately deal with the case, it does not make the FA have to move quickly like they did with Everton and Nottingham Forest last season, to be honest, I think the case involving Manchester City seems to have been deliberately left without further investigation from the FA even though they realized that the case existed, previously Manchester City had had several cases related to financial violations but at that time they actually appealed and made UEFA have to close the case immediately.

The financial strength possessed by Manchester City is clearly one of the strengths that makes Manchester City not only able to build a great squad, but their financial strength seems to be a shield that protects them from every lawsuit and is also often a weapon to get free from punishment for financial violations so far , so I think we can't expect that Manchester City will be punished after 115 violations they committed if indeed the authorities The Premier League is still not clean of corruption as once said by boxing legend Tony Bellew who is an Everton fan, I think the case involving Manchester City at the moment  will continue to drag on and will slowly disappear without further action from the FA. 
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The thing about Zirkzee is that he is not at a level where he should be a bench player, he is good enough to play in hundreds of clubs, and some good clubs as well. However, Hojlund is also good enough to play as well, maybe even better player if you ask me as well. So in this situation, they have to either figure out a way to play them both, which could be a trouble in a formation sense, or they will play one or the other.

This is why I never assumed this was a good transfer, United bought a player in a position they do not need, and a player that is very good, too good for what they need. They should have bought some 10-15 million valued striker for the bench and be done with that, because that is what the bench requires, not some 40+ million star potential young player.

I'd even love to see Joshua Zirkzee in the number nine position. He is more of a team player than individual player which is good for what Erik Ten Hag and Manchester United are tryna achieve this season. He knows how to dribble, create chances and at the same time, score goals. I love the less hype around him because he will definitely do well for Manchester United. The both players can even be paired of you ask me. Both Joshua Zirkzee and Rasmus Hojlund can both be useful together in a game. I love the depth in thr attacking line, hopefully they keep fit and get results.

If you watched Manchester United games last season, you'd see Bruno Fernandez fummin having issues finding Rasmus Hojlund, having Joshua Zirkzee involved would be much different, he is also much like Antonio Martial and Manchester United plays better when he is on the pitch but he is always Injured.

Joshua Zirkzee to Manchester United is a good deal. Right now, they should focus on getting a new defensive midfielder and also two solid defenders since, Victor Lindelof is most likely to leave Manchester United. Scott MC Tominay has also been recently wanted by Galatasaray.
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Haaland is definitely one of the best strikers and the best finisher in Manchester City but you see if this star leaves the club it will have a bad effect on the performance of the club but how much have you thought about the name I will say. How much do you think about Kevin De Bruyne? You can consider this player as a good quality midfielder but I think this player is the most important player for Manchester City. Strikers can only score if this player provides good supply from the midfield and passes the ball beautifully to other strikers including Haaland but in his absence Manchester City did not perform very well in the matches they played last season and in every match we felt the absence of this player. So if Kevin De Bruyne leaves the club, it will definitely affect the performance of the club to some extent.
De Bruyne is the best midfielder and of course he has a big influence on Manchester City. Apart from that, not only him, Manchester City players have good qualities which can make them perform well and be difficult to beat, especially with their coach who suits them. Manchester City can take care of Manchester City well and make them successful in dominating and being consistent in their good play. If indeed De Bruyne leaves Manchester City, of course it will affect their performance because even if they have a replacement, they probably won't be better than De Bruyne, even though there is a possibility because he is under Pep Guardiola.

I don't see a decline in performance that will occur at Manchester City in the coming season. but with the case now becoming hot again, whether it will affect them or not. I don't know what will happen, I just think Manchester City can still perform well in the next season, maybe they will dominate again.
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The thing about Zirkzee is that he is not at a level where he should be a bench player, he is good enough to play in hundreds of clubs, and some good clubs as well. However, Hojlund is also good enough to play as well, maybe even better player if you ask me as well. So in this situation, they have to either figure out a way to play them both, which could be a trouble in a formation sense, or they will play one or the other.

This is why I never assumed this was a good transfer, United bought a player in a position they do not need, and a player that is very good, too good for what they need. They should have bought some 10-15 million valued striker for the bench and be done with that, because that is what the bench requires, not some 40+ million star potential young player.
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