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I think it is unfair that you're judging the rates without Hazard with just 11 matches, the rate would have dropped drastically if games without Hazard continued to 52 as well, Have a doubt ? Then let's make a small bet of $20 to $30, I say Chelsea's next 52 games (starting from the post) would not better that of playing with Hazard ?

Not just that. That statistics doesn't take into consideration level of opponents and minutes played. I was playing Fantasy last season and had Hazard in my team and ended disappointed a couple of time because Hazard was kept on bench against weaker opponents around Champions league matches. If Chelsea plays well and wining he stays on the bench but if Chelsea plays lousy he enters last 20 minutes to try change the results. Sometimes he managed and sometimes not. My point is that it heavily influences above stats.

I decided to read the article and my point was justified, majority of the matches he missed was from the Europa league, I suppose that explains it all.

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What these figures don't show, in fairness, is the standard of opposition Chelsea faced in all those games.

Of the eleven he was missing, seven of them were Europa League matches where Sarri's side scored 21 goals and only conceding three times.
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I think it is unfair that you're judging the rates without Hazard with just 11 matches, the rate would have dropped drastically if games without Hazard continued to 52 as well, Have a doubt ? Then let's make a small bet of $20 to $30, I say Chelsea's next 52 games (starting from the post) would not better that of playing with Hazard ?

Not just that. That statistics doesn't take into consideration level of opponents and minutes played. I was playing Fantasy last season and had Hazard in my team and ended disappointed a couple of time because Hazard was kept on bench against weaker opponents around Champions league matches. If Chelsea plays well and wining he stays on the bench but if Chelsea plays lousy he enters last 20 minutes to try change the results. Sometimes he managed and sometimes not. My point is that it heavily influences above stats.
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I think it is unfair that you're judging the rates without Hazard with just 11 matches, the rate would have dropped drastically if games without Hazard continued to 52 as well, Have a doubt ? Then let's make a small bet of $20 to $30, I say Chelsea's next 52 games (starting from the post) would not better that of playing with Hazard ?

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For those thinking Chelsea can't get something out of the incoming season without hazard, I got something for you. Take time to read this article, Chelsea had more winning success rate when the players were not replying on Hazard's magic to save the day (that's when they played without hazard) he also did cause defensive problem as Sarri had to adjust his team selection to accommodate him. Hazard leaving Chelsea might just be a blessing in disguise to some players and the team. Take Philippe Coutinhoas's departure from Liverpool as an example.


Link to article: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9337780/stats-chelsea-better-without-eden-hazard-sarri/
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I think Abramovich & Chelsea fans would be happy with a top 4 finish in the league & maybe just to get out of the group stage in the CL. It’s clear they’re in transition, it’s probably going to take them a while to become an elite force again. It’s obviously not good to lose Hazard & with a transfer ban not be able to buy anybody.
For the first season for Chelsea who was trained by Lampard, of course finishing in position 4 will be very meaningful for the coach and Chelsea. The owner will be happy, because this is a good start and the following seasons will have the target of league champions and champions of the Champions League.
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I think Abramovich & Chelsea fans would be happy with a top 4 finish in the league & maybe just to get out of the group stage in the CL. It’s clear they’re in transition, it’s probably going to take them a while to become an elite force again. It’s obviously not good to lose Hazard & with a transfer ban not be able to buy anybody.
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Lampard was an attack minded player and hopefully he brings that into his style of coachiing too. He's the club's top goal scorer and spent most of his professional career at Chelsea that only means he knows Chelsea's in and out and our type of football
This is a big plus for Chelsea in signing Lampard, I always think its cool when former midfielders coach teams, they tend to bring in a wonderful brand of football, and that's cos midfielders are actually one of the most intelligent people on the pitch(creativity), they understand the game the most and they bring it to their coaching career, guardiola is a very good example.
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They'll be appreciated unlike Sarri, Lampard is one of ours and we'll always love and respect him.
This would also be another advantage to Lampard, he is a Chelsea legend and a fan favorite,he will be given that respect and a more relaxed environment to work in.
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I support you on this one, Chelsea will definitely struggle next season and it's obvious, their team at the moment isn't just up to scratch to compete with the likes of Manchester City, Liverpool, spurs, this teams would definitely top Chelsea on the table, they'll have to settle for 4th place and below.

The target is top4 finished no one is aiming for the trophy currently. Lampard was an attack minded player and hopefully he brings that into his style of coachiing too. He's the club's top goal scorer and spent most of his professional career at Chelsea that only means he knows Chelsea's in and out and our type of football. The only key player missing is hazard and he has already been replaced so lets just move on like nothing ever happened.

No one is also demanding a champions league trophy from Lampard this season. The fans just what to watch the boys play beautiful football and wins games. Ones we see them giving in their 100% at every game. They'll be appreciated unlike Sarri, Lampard is one of ours and we'll always love and respect him.
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My take on next season: Lampard won't make it until next year, Chelsea will struggle to remain in the top6 first half of the season and they'll get KO'd in the group stages of the CL. Quote me on this one, I wanna see whether I got it right or not in 5 months  :
I support you on this one, Chelsea will definitely struggle next season and it's obvious, their team at the moment isn't just up to scratch to compete with the likes of Manchester City, Liverpool, spurs, this teams would definitely top Chelsea on the table, they'll have to settle for 4th place and below.

Chelsea would make it past the ucl group stages, but winning the trophy is hardly possible.
As for Lampard, I think he'll be giving till next season, then he can arrange his team and sign players of his choosing.

Chelsea is indeed going to struggle in the champions league and will be knocked out, but in the premier league they may have an outside chance because of Pulisic. If he can perform consistently then they won’t miss Hazard, and if other players provide him support then Chelsea can easily finish in top 6. Also what do you’ll think of the promise made to Lampard by the Chelsea board, of not sacking him till the end of the season?.

News Source: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/25/chelsea-board-promise-give-frank-lampard-time-given-unique-situation-stamford-bridge-10071100/

Chelsea may go further in the Champions League if they start the Premier League in a bad way for example losing 6 matches out of the 10 initial matches,they may change focus and focus only on the Champions League for this year.
I know that Premier League teams value more the Premier League compared to Champions League so we will have to wait and see.
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My take on next season: Lampard won't make it until next year, Chelsea will struggle to remain in the top6 first half of the season and they'll get KO'd in the group stages of the CL. Quote me on this one, I wanna see whether I got it right or not in 5 months  :
I support you on this one, Chelsea will definitely struggle next season and it's obvious, their team at the moment isn't just up to scratch to compete with the likes of Manchester City, Liverpool, spurs, this teams would definitely top Chelsea on the table, they'll have to settle for 4th place and below.

Chelsea would make it past the ucl group stages, but winning the trophy is hardly possible.
As for Lampard, I think he'll be giving till next season, then he can arrange his team and sign players of his choosing.

Chelsea is indeed going to struggle in the champions league and will be knocked out, but in the premier league they may have an outside chance because of Pulisic. If he can perform consistently then they won’t miss Hazard, and if other players provide him support then Chelsea can easily finish in top 6. Also what do you’ll think of the promise made to Lampard by the Chelsea board, of not sacking him till the end of the season?.

News Source: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/25/chelsea-board-promise-give-frank-lampard-time-given-unique-situation-stamford-bridge-10071100/
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Do you want to make a small bet regarding Lampard future in Chelsea since we have a difference of opinion regarding the matter?
I'm down! Wanna do it like this? my $20 (Lampard will get sacked before December 31st) for your $30 (Lampard will be Chelsea's manager on Wednesday, January 1st 2020, in the game Brighton vs Chelsea). Quote me and it's on (:



It is on. I did't check the game but the date and amounts are enough to make this bet work. The looser shall pay out BTC eqivalent of 20 or 30 USD as per rate on January 1st 2020 at the start of mentioned Brighton-Chelsea game  Grin

I will leave you neutral trust rating with reference for this post as a way to track the bet. I have few of them going on and it helps me keep track.
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Do you want to make a small bet regarding Lampard future in Chelsea since we have a difference of opinion regarding the matter?
I'm down! Wanna do it like this? my $20 (Lampard will get sacked before December 31st) for your $30 (Lampard will be Chelsea's manager on Wednesday, January 1st 2020, in the game Brighton vs Chelsea). Quote me and it's on (:

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My take on next season: Lampard won't make it until next year, Chelsea will struggle to remain in the top6 first half of the season and they'll get KO'd in the group stages of the CL. Quote me on this one, I wanna see whether I got it right or not in 5 months  :
I support you on this one, Chelsea will definitely struggle next season and it's obvious, their team at the moment isn't just up to scratch to compete with the likes of Manchester City, Liverpool, spurs, this teams would definitely top Chelsea on the table, they'll have to settle for 4th place and below.

Chelsea would make it past the ucl group stages, but winning the trophy is hardly possible.
As for Lampard, I think he'll be giving till next season, then he can arrange his team and sign players of his choosing.

Adding my 2 cents. Chelsea will have a tough season but there is still some quality there and they will end the league in the top half of the table and probably qualify for UEFA League next season (5th-8th position). In Champions League they will pass to next stage and posibly first knockout game but that is about the maximum they will manage. Lampard is a club legend and he will stay unless results are truly awful. 

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My take on next season: Lampard won't make it until next year, Chelsea will struggle to remain in the top6 first half of the season and they'll get KO'd in the group stages of the CL. Quote me on this one, I wanna see whether I got it right or not in 5 months  :
I support you on this one, Chelsea will definitely struggle next season and it's obvious, their team at the moment isn't just up to scratch to compete with the likes of Manchester City, Liverpool, spurs, this teams would definitely top Chelsea on the table, they'll have to settle for 4th place and below.

Chelsea would make it past the ucl group stages, but winning the trophy is hardly possible.
As for Lampard, I think he'll be giving till next season, then he can arrange his team and sign players of his choosing.
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I think Chelsea will actually suffer a lot without Hazard, he was their best performing player by quite some distance. Where are their goals & match winning displays going to come from?
Not only that but, let's not forget that they also have a new manager and it's no other than...Lampard LOL Last season they struggled to secure a CL spot (just 2 pts above 5th place Arsenal), and they had Sarri, a great manager, and also Hazard, who's been carrying the team on his back over the past few seasons.

My take on next season: Lampard won't make it until next year, Chelsea will struggle to remain in the top6 first half of the season and they'll get KO'd in the group stages of the CL. Quote me on this one, I wanna see whether I got it right or not in 5 months  Roll Eyes

I would agree that he was the best player of the team and most of the opportunities was created by him.
There are many talented players in the squad, I think that Willian would be a great substitute leader and push the team in being creative and enrich their attacking performance. Don't you think that he is good enough to take over Hazard's role?
I've read some comments in social media, and Chelsea fans are pìssed (maybe that's a strong word, perhaps dissapointed?) that Willian is gonna wear Hazard's number 10 this season...So they obviously don't see Willian as a proper replacement. He's a good player, but I honestly don't think he has what it takes to fill Hazard's shoes, I mean, Hazard is world class and among the best in his position, Willian is...well, Willian  Grin
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There is no hazard, Chelsea remains Chelsea. They are a team not just about hazard. By beating Barcelona, of course this is the beginning of a good belief for Lampard to always be consistent in every pre-season or other match.

If a team can't survive when they lost 1 player then they'll get a lot of problems. Liverpool, for example, failed to reproduce their achievement when Suarez or Torres left, but it seems they've learned to deal with it when Coutinho leaves.

I do think losing Hazard is regrettable for Chelsea but that's how football works. Either you deal with it or you will fail to win anything.

I watched the latest firendly matches of Chelsea and they seemed able to overcome Hazard's loss.
In my opinion, they won't suffer a lot from his leave. He was the best player in the team but now they are working more as a team and they are more creative than before that they were expecting Hazard to make a good move.

I think Chelsea will actually suffer a lot without Hazard, he was their best performing player by quite some distance. Where are their goals & match winning displays going to come from?
I would agree that he was the best player of the team and most of the opportunities was created by him.
There are many talented players in the squad, I think that Willian would be a great substitute leader and push the team in being creative and enrich their attacking performance. Don't you think that he is good enough to take over Hazard's role?
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There is no hazard, Chelsea remains Chelsea. They are a team not just about hazard. By beating Barcelona, of course this is the beginning of a good belief for Lampard to always be consistent in every pre-season or other match.

If a team can't survive when they lost 1 player then they'll get a lot of problems. Liverpool, for example, failed to reproduce their achievement when Suarez or Torres left, but it seems they've learned to deal with it when Coutinho leaves.

I do think losing Hazard is regrettable for Chelsea but that's how football works. Either you deal with it or you will fail to win anything.

I watched the latest firendly matches of Chelsea and they seemed able to overcome Hazard's loss.
In my opinion, they won't suffer a lot from his leave. He was the best player in the team but now they are working more as a team and they are more creative than before that they were expecting Hazard to make a good move.

I think Chelsea will actually suffer a lot without Hazard, he was their best performing player by quite some distance. Where are their goals & match winning displays going to come from?
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I watched the latest firendly matches of Chelsea and they seemed able to overcome Hazard's loss.
In my opinion, they won't suffer a lot from his leave. He was the best player in the team but now they are working more as a team and they are more creative than before that they were expecting Hazard to make a good move.

One match, and a friendly fixture at that is not enough to determine whether or not Chelsea will comfortably survive without the presence of hazard. You can say they'd become more of a team, but Eden was a team player and the reality is, good players make teams. He is a major loss to the club and also the English league.

The friendly match is not enough to ensure Chelsea have a good performance. But with every friendly match that exists, of course this will prove whether they have gone to the real level in the official competition. So they must be ready for the future and we have to admit Chelsea are starting to be good in each of their friendly matches.

However, this friendly match is very important for Chelsea. Because they have a new coach (lampard) with friendship matches, of course, teamwork will be felt. Even if you experience victory or defeat. And for the future Chelsea must always be ready in every match.

So we are both one thought. That Chelsea really really need every friendship match. And added if Chelsea always win, of course the Chelsea owner will be happy with lampard performance during the pre-season. He will be sure Lampard can compete with other clubs even though he has just become a coach.
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I watched the latest firendly matches of Chelsea and they seemed able to overcome Hazard's loss.
In my opinion, they won't suffer a lot from his leave. He was the best player in the team but now they are working more as a team and they are more creative than before that they were expecting Hazard to make a good move.

One match, and a friendly fixture at that is not enough to determine whether or not Chelsea will comfortably survive without the presence of hazard. You can say they'd become more of a team, but Eden was a team player and the reality is, good players make teams. He is a major loss to the club and also the English league.

The friendly match is not enough to ensure Chelsea have a good performance. But with every friendly match that exists, of course this will prove whether they have gone to the real level in the official competition. So they must be ready for the future and we have to admit Chelsea are starting to be good in each of their friendly matches.

However, this friendly match is very important for Chelsea. Because they have a new coach (lampard) with friendship matches, of course, teamwork will be felt. Even if you experience victory or defeat. And for the future Chelsea must always be ready in every match.
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