Topic: Presearch (PRE) - Decentralized Search Engine - page 14. (Read 31711 times)

Sorry for the poor experience, huhhuh18!

We are working to improve Presearch all the time, and feedback is what's driving our evolution. Appreciate you taking the time to vent and challenge us.

I've just made a post two messages above that will hopefully shed some light on things.

Regarding Presearch not being a real search engine, if you go into 'Customize' (https://www.presearch.org/account/homepage-providers), look for 'Presearch Engine' and add it to your providers. You can drag it to the left to make it your default engine.

Aside from that, the core Presearch.org model is a reward and incentivization layer and redirect engine that provides users with a federated query field they can use to type their searches and send them into the resource of their choice.

Many Members do actually appreciate this ability and use it to search not just public resources, but private resources such as company intranets, CRMs, point of sale systems, etc.

You can use our engine directly via https://engine.presearch.org if you'd prefer to just have a totally private search engine with no login. It's so basic, it doesn't even have terms or other info. It's basically a totally dumb terminal (no analytics, anything) that provides non-personalized search results.

It literally does not track a single thing and there are no ads at this time.

This is a great write-up! Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

Please feel free to share it to https://t.me/presearch

Thank you for your interest in Presearch!

Colin

Thanks for your support, CryptoTokenAnalyst.

We do not store or view search terms.

It is really based on your patterns, and requires a fair bit of time to identify abuse.

That is why the token withdrawal threshold (1,000 eligible tokens) is on the high side.

Time provides data to make a real-time determination of how similar your behavior is to behavior it has been trained by a human (often myself and others like Lindsay, Jeff and Thomas on our team) to identify as skewing toward 'mining' tokens or using bots.

It communicates with the Member by providing them with a 'level' that scales from 0 to 10, with 10 being the least likely to be trying to collect tokens by skewing their search intent (ex. searching more than needed for things that you aren't truly looking for information on - for example: 'aaabbbccc' or 'random word').

One of the biggest challenges with incentivized search is that if you lose true search intent, the quality of the query decreases significantly. Poor quality equals a lower signal to noise ratio, making the overall stream of queries less valuable to those who may want to target their sponsorships to the keyword being searched, which significantly improves ROI while providing searchers with a more relevant, less distracting message (which they are compensated with PRE tokens to be exposed to).

This is the real underlying magic to Google's Adwords system, which is the most successful business model in history from an ROI standpoint (for both Google and marketers).

Part of Presearch's underlying magic is the token reward system, and the fact that the action and reward are so directly related. Hit search, receive a reward visualized as a token.

To protect the magic of both models is critical to the success of the project's token economics. It is possible to run alternative monetization models, but the token is the value storage unit that aligns both Members and Sponsors. To do it similar to BAT and others are doing it does break the direct alignment, whereby a token really isn't the actual value storage unit and is an abstracted layer primarily designed for market trading and project funding.

Nothing wrong with that, but just a different level than the Presearch approach.

So, all that being said, protecting the project from abuse is extremely important. It is also extremely complex. We think we have developed a pretty solid approach, but it is one that is in the early days and will certainly evolve.

We must continue to improve our communication with Members, provide value to Sponsors, and also improve our transparency with regard to this process and others.

We are moving in that direction as we put our initial efforts out into the public for trial and feedback.

We appreciate you and others taking the time to help us learn and improve. Please keep the feedback, good or bad, coming.

Thanks for your interest in Presearch!

Colin

Personally i see this people as doing some bullshit thing to me. I got my account demoted and I'm angry for one of the reasons they stated. All their reasons made sense but one doesn't to me: which is using the platform for the purpose of earning tokens

So what do they think?...like I'm using it for fun or what?? what at all do they do best?? nothing... it's not a search engine, it's not anything... just some portal that you use to visit a search engine lol....it's like saying you want to go to Google but will pass through presearch first....that's all they do and nothing more.

Anyways I'm a student and i only use the platform when I wanna do assignments and yes..i write down all my searches and so I'm nit using it for the beauty of it...other than that the platform is bullshit to me

if you want better user behavior, why don't you space out time of rewards??... please do something better heheee coz there's nothing unique about presearch...it's just a way used to reach a search engine...nothing more lol

Learn from how Pivot allocate rewards and checks spam..that's what we call user behavior control...and i repeat, no one is using this bullshit site for the beauty of it

Presearch review: decentralized search engine with crypto rewards:

https://www.publish0x.com/earning-crypto/presearch-review-decentralized-search-engine-with-crypto-rewards-xlewz

I had the perfect answer about this question on Telegram from an admin:  "The review is based on search pattern and not what you search."

So I still believe in their privacy! Gonna HODL!!

I'm wondering how you can review an account about the respect of the policy if you are not suppose to collect any search data or activity data about members?

If privacy is your main concern, what data are you collecting to analyse?

How can you determine that at the withdrawal moment a report with no data??

Hi GreatBug!

Thanks for trying it out.

Yes, we have a fairly high withdrawal threshold right now of 1,000 PRE to protect the project from abuse.

We implemented a new level-based system last month that algorithmically identifies patterns of abuse and assigns a level to each member. This level is then multiplied against the number of tokens you've collected to determine the number that are eligible for withdrawal.

The system isn't perfect, but it's been a good first effort to improve communication with members and provide us with a scalable means for protecting the project without resorting to KYC-like intrusions into privacy.

We will have 1m members before the end of the month, and hundreds of people have successfully withdrawn their tokens.

We did have some communication challenges early on, but have made significant progress in the past two months in particular.

You can read more here:

https://medium.com/@presearch/https-medium-com-presearch-new-feature-rewards-verification-system-af39d7ed648e

Please let me know if you have any questions.

All the best,

Colin

I have been using Presearch for several days and I collect coins for searching in your browser. I would like to know if there is any time or quantity limit that I need to achieve in order to be able to withdraw collected PRE?

Hi Syndrome!

You can try it yourself at https://engine.presearch.org. No sign-up required.

In particular, if you try a query for a crypto like Bitcoin or BTC, you'll see an example of our community packages.

If you do a currency conversion query like '10 USD to CAD', you'll see a member-submitted package.

Details on creating community packages are available here:

https://github.com/PresearchOfficial/presearch-packages

We have a proprietary ad platform that we're launching at the end of the month.

We've developed a token sponsorship model that enables sponsors to provide a fraction of a token to a searcher who views their ad.

Here's a sneak peak at a new video that we're releasing soon: https://vimeo.com/natelacroix/review/312878844/d19b345e43

We already have more than 250k daily active users and almost 900k registered users.

The project has many competitors ranging from Google to projects on the blockchain. I would like to know how good your algorithm is? And most importantly, what is your project monetization plan after 10k daily visits?

My pleasure! Thanks for the great questions and kind words. Let me know if you have any others or feedback on anything!

Awesome, thanks for taking the time to respond in such detail. Always good to see the people behind projects taking questions seriously. I'll pay close attention to Presearch now and will give that mobile app a try.

Thanks, dzonikg28!

Yes, I think that's definitely an issue to contend with, especially during crypto winter... I think we've been fortunate that many people believe Presearch has the potential to be highly valuable in the future, and are thinking more about the future value of their rewards than the current value... It seems to help a lot...

But the other thing is that it's really about gamification - not just the monetary value... People like the real-time feedback they get when they search and the coin flips, and their balance is prominently displayed and increases constantly.

We will also be creating different ways for people to spend their PRE and are focused on making it as easy as possible for them to convert their PRE to things they value significantly.

On top of that, the platform itself does offer significant advantage for power users - we're basically providing people with a faster, easier way to search specific resources. Ex. I do domain name lookups, search our CRM system, our admin portal, etc., all from the same field, rather than having to bookmark them, wait for each site to load, click into the search field and search. Instead, I just pull up Presearch, type my query and then click the icon for where I want to direct my search.

This doesn't appeal to everyone, but we've been impressed by how many people find it valuable. It's a nice little hack.

And then there's our mobile app for voice search. Not sure if you're on iOS, but if so, you may want to check it out in the app store.

There's an invite code - 'tapandhodl'... Basically, to search, you just tap the Presearch logo and hold it down while you speak...

You can deep search various apps on your phone - ex. say 'Presearch Google Maps for buffalo, new york' and it'll launch Google Maps and run your query there.

There are currently 80 or so providers in the system, but hundreds more are on the way.

It's an exciting space to be in because it's so significant in scope and depth... Many, many opportunities to integrate tokenomics to create feedback loops that incentivize behaviour and generate value...

As long as we denominate our sponsorships / ad units with PRE and make that the central unit of account, as the platform grows, the need for tokens will also increase.

We are also seizing the opportunity to connect with people who are fed up with Google and Facebook dominating the web, and who want an alternative. We protect and respect their privacy, and so that is a significant selling feature as well.

Now, most of that was anecdotal, quantitatively, we've chosen not to install analytics on the platform to go with our focus on privacy, and that makes it a little challenging.

From our token sale, where we did collect location information, more than 60% of our more than 4,000 purchasers were located in North America.

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. We'll keep the BitcoinTalk community posted as things progress!

Alright, I will obviously have to take a deeper look at your stuff.

As for the skin in the game part that you mentioned, I generally agree with that. The only issue is that I read about some other platform which aims to monetize data, that the actual reward is just not really big enough to get the Western world to care about their search behavior. Are there any realistic quantitative examples you could provide?

Yes, it's a massive challenge, but also a huge opportunity. The space is so large and valuable, that you really don't need to dominate the category. We believe that due to our community-focused model and the integration of our PRE token to align everyone's interest, that we'll be able to make a significant dent over time.

And besides, we don't need to beat Google - you can search Google through Presearch.

We are just driving a thin wedge between people's existing search behaviour to minimize the friction. Once people start accumulating tokens, they have some skin in the game and are more willing to do some additional work, spread the word actively and build the network.

We're on track to exceed the early growth of both Google and DuckDuckGo already, and we haven't really even tried to expand yet.

We just did a major release yesterday of a new anti-abuse platform to prevent people from gaming the system. There's a bit of work involved to bring everyone up to speed, but so far the feedback has been largely positive. Now that it's in place, it's almost go time!

Thanks for your interest! Please feel free to join at https://www.presearch.org if you like.

Ok I confess I didn't know how far you've gotten then as I lost some interest in decentralized search a while ago. It is probably the hardest space to conquer with google being in the driving seat. The synergies they can create with all the data they have are just amazingly strong. It may take decades to get even close to them, wouldn't it?

Yes, Bitclave would be a competitor. There are a large number of alternative search engines - ex. DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, startpage.com, and many others. Google of course. We are the only one with a working search engine that actually utilizes a token tor reward members and pay for ads though. I don't expect that this will be the case forever, but right now, we are leading the blockchain/crypto search space.

Thanks for your support, GrosWesh! Would love to continue to count you as a member of Presearch!

Are you guys a competitor of Bitclave? Which others would you also consider being your competitors in the space?