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Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 13, 2014, 01:11:02 PM

At the end of the day the world isn't perfect and life isn't fair. PD is a business. But this issue isn't about the BTC being spent, hence why Stunna is asking for suggestions to replace it. It's about the phenomenon of a particular demographic of the BTC community leading to two main things:

A lot of the people who show up on the HR list frequently dislike speaking in chat due to the spam they receive asking for BTC/tips. Even those who do speak in chat get VERY pissed off by it. I have spoken to a HR who got very pissed off when people who he had already tipped started asking him for more BTC.
The support spam. It is not as simple as "let one of the mods deal with it". It is not professional, it is not reliable as they're volunteers, and it's not fair on the mod. Hence why Admins deal with support and the Mods just tell people to go to the Admins - they're the guys who can actually help you. Admins have a large toolbox and can answer pretty much 100% of support emails. Mods...nope.

The surge of people complaining about this possible change proves my point. Slight note, I've only seen 1 person who is Full Member+ and is against the removal of faucet.

1. I've been high rolling for a while now and the "chat quality" has not been an issue for me or any other HR, I would know because I've been on PD everyday ever since I joined.

2. 50+ emails a day is "not a massive deal" says Stunna, which I take could be managed.

3. The forum ranks has nothing to do with the credibility of the gambler. I have a shitty rank here but on PD I would consider myself a maxed level "crocodile".

The funny thing is, most of the people who complained about faucet and wants it remove DONT EVEN GAMBLE! They don't even deposit but yet they want to take something away that most other REAL gamblers enjoy.

A true story about the faucet from my own experience >> I introduce a friend shortly after I got hooked on dicing >> She has no idea what dicing is, she only knows blackjack >> she first found the site to be BORING and lacking of the fun factor >> she discovers faucet and learned how to dice >>she has so far wagered more than 100 BTC. She now plays EVERYDAY using faucet and occasionally would deposit. Her goal is to get to level 40.

Take away the faucet and you take away stories like that. This is how I also remember my first experience with PD so that makes two.

im pretty sure there isnt a whale on the site that didnt try the faucet first

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Quote from: Cyrax89721 on October 13, 2014, 03:08:04 PM

Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 13, 2014, 02:45:56 PM

Quote from: Cyrax89721 on October 13, 2014, 11:46:33 AM

Stunna & Crew -- Here's my idea regarding the current faucet and how it could change for the better. It's a difficult one for me to explain, so hopefully its understood what my idea is.

Allow users to have a "faucet address" that they can deposit to.
There is a max amount of BTC that can be requested from this address (say, ~5,000-10,000 sats) every 60 seconds. So I deposit .01 BTC that'll keep me good for 200 faucet claims at 5,000 sats a claim.
If you withdraw from this address, you relinquish your ability to claim a faucet.
Levelling at the site can act as "interest accrued" and your faucet balance can be increased simply by playing more
The higher the balance you have in this account, the more interest you accrue. Kind of similar to investing in the bankroll, but not attached to the bankroll
Lower level (first timer) accounts can automatically get 5,000 sats deposited to this account with a 250 sat limit. Again, leveling helps increase the amount claimable

Obviously there's a lot more ideas that could revolve around this that I haven't listed, but it's just an idea that can be built upon. Or shunned as being fucking retarded. You decide.

I don't really understand your idea.

Let me try a narrative, throwing in some rough figures just to illustrate.

It's my first day logging onto Primedice, and I decide to claim my faucet ration, which can only be claimed once per month per user. I now have 5,000 satoshi's in my faucet balance, and am able to claim 250 satoshi's from this balance once every 60 seconds. I'm imaging a small cup animation, showing you how much you have remaining -- I've seen those on other dice sites.

As we know, the only way to level is to chat, wager more BTC, refer more people, etc. As your level rises from these tactics, your interest rate return on this faucet balance increases (based on how much the balance is). As such, it is in your best interest to use the faucet as sparingly and wisely as possible. You can also deposit up to 0.1 BTC into this faucet balance to use for faucet claims, should the initial 5,000 satoshi stipend be used up. There is still a limit of 250 - 10,000 satoshis that can be claimed from this (based on levelling).

It's a bit of a ridiculous idea, but since the general population is so ridiculously upset over the faucet possibly being removed, why not give the faucet a bit more pizzazz instead of just throwing a captcha at it to throw you some sats? I say you make it fun and rewarding to play.

If this idea still doesn't make sense, then I don't know how to explain it further. Maybe somebody else can dwell on it, or I'll just shutter the idea as useless drivel and move on.

i dont like your idea mate

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stunna, i met this site while fauceting at the start of bitcoin life, the fact that there was a faucet made me able to use the site until i struck gold
i have wagered 7 bitcoins on two accounts
if there is no faucet, the site wont be sustainable
the whales arent going to be around forever and without a faucet, not many people will use the site as i have and become whales as they get lots of bitcoins
KEEP THE FAUCET

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 13, 2014, 02:45:56 PM

Quote from: Cyrax89721 on October 13, 2014, 11:46:33 AM

Stunna & Crew -- Here's my idea regarding the current faucet and how it could change for the better. It's a difficult one for me to explain, so hopefully its understood what my idea is.

Allow users to have a "faucet address" that they can deposit to.
There is a max amount of BTC that can be requested from this address (say, ~5,000-10,000 sats) every 60 seconds. So I deposit .01 BTC that'll keep me good for 200 faucet claims at 5,000 sats a claim.
If you withdraw from this address, you relinquish your ability to claim a faucet.
Levelling at the site can act as "interest accrued" and your faucet balance can be increased simply by playing more
The higher the balance you have in this account, the more interest you accrue. Kind of similar to investing in the bankroll, but not attached to the bankroll
Lower level (first timer) accounts can automatically get 5,000 sats deposited to this account with a 250 sat limit. Again, leveling helps increase the amount claimable

Obviously there's a lot more ideas that could revolve around this that I haven't listed, but it's just an idea that can be built upon. Or shunned as being fucking retarded. You decide.

I don't really understand your idea.

Let me try a narrative, throwing in some rough figures just to illustrate.

It's my first day logging onto Primedice, and I decide to claim my faucet ration, which can only be claimed once per month per user. I now have 5,000 satoshi's in my faucet balance, and am able to claim 250 satoshi's from this balance once every 60 seconds. I'm imaging a small cup animation, showing you how much you have remaining -- I've seen those on other dice sites.

As we know, the only way to level is to chat, wager more BTC, refer more people, etc. As your level rises from these tactics, your interest rate return on this faucet balance increases (based on how much the balance is). As such, it is in your best interest to use the faucet as sparingly and wisely as possible. You can also deposit up to 0.1 BTC into this faucet balance to use for faucet claims, should the initial 5,000 satoshi stipend be used up. There is still a limit of 250 - 10,000 satoshis that can be claimed from this (based on levelling).

It's a bit of a ridiculous idea, but since the general population is so ridiculously upset over the faucet possibly being removed, why not give the faucet a bit more pizzazz instead of just throwing a captcha at it to throw you some sats? I say you make it fun and rewarding to play.

If this idea still doesn't make sense, then I don't know how to explain it further. Maybe somebody else can dwell on it, or I'll just shutter the idea as useless drivel and move on.

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Quote from: Cyrax89721 on October 13, 2014, 11:46:33 AM

Stunna & Crew -- Here's my idea regarding the current faucet and how it could change for the better. It's a difficult one for me to explain, so hopefully its understood what my idea is.

Allow users to have a "faucet address" that they can deposit to.
There is a max amount of BTC that can be requested from this address (say, ~5,000-10,000 sats) every 60 seconds. So I deposit .01 BTC that'll keep me good for 200 faucet claims at 5,000 sats a claim.
If you withdraw from this address, you relinquish your ability to claim a faucet.
Levelling at the site can act as "interest accrued" and your faucet balance can be increased simply by playing more
The higher the balance you have in this account, the more interest you accrue. Kind of similar to investing in the bankroll, but not attached to the bankroll
Lower level (first timer) accounts can automatically get 5,000 sats deposited to this account with a 250 sat limit. Again, leveling helps increase the amount claimable

Obviously there's a lot more ideas that could revolve around this that I haven't listed, but it's just an idea that can be built upon. Or shunned as being fucking retarded. You decide.

I don't really understand your idea.

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Is this where I complain about the faucet? I feel like I need to open up a thread and complain about an opportunity for free satoshi!! Haha. Stunna..haters gon hate. I lost .5 today and I don't mind losing it to PD at all. Keep up the good work!

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1. I've been high rolling for a while now and the "chat quality" has not been an issue for me or any other HR, I would know because I've been on PD everyday ever since I joined.

2. 50+ emails a day is "not a massive deal" says Stunna, which I take could be managed.

3. The forum ranks has nothing to do with the credibility of the gambler. I have a shitty rank here but on PD I would consider myself a maxed level "crocodile".

The funny thing is, most of the people who complained about faucet and wants it remove DONT EVEN GAMBLE! They don't even deposit but yet they want to take something away that most other REAL gamblers enjoy.

A true story about the faucet from my own experience >> I introduce a friend shortly after I got hooked on dicing >> She has no idea what dicing is, she only knows blackjack >> she first found the site to be BORING and lacking of the fun factor >> she discovers faucet and learned how to dice >> she made a deposit and so far wagered more than 20 BTC. Her goal is to get to level 40.

Take away the faucet and you take away stories like that. This is how I also remember my first experience with PD so that makes two.

Woooooo hey Earth Cheesy

! Still missing my 50k Wink

Totally agree with you, people get hooked via the faucet.

The problem is the leechers who never deposit, can be solved by removing chat leveling faucet and instead increase the wagered leveling a lot, look at the people who have claimed 1000+ times without a single deposit and ban them constantly - "hire" more mods or similar who can spot them early on after the ton of leechers has been banned and problem is more or less solved.

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Quote from: Mobius7 on October 13, 2014, 01:39:58 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 11:32:40 AM

A mod stated that there is a 99% of faucet shutdown so I trust that it will be gone. I've already posted my solutions but they went unheard - as for the come along and bleed him dry yeah in the beginning there was that possibilty, he took a risk and it paid off.

So the decision has been made already, just not implemented yet, am I right?

No decisions on faucet change has been made yet, everyone is still tossing out suggestions it seems though.

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Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 11:32:40 AM

A mod stated that there is a 99% of faucet shutdown so I trust that it will be gone. I've already posted my solutions but they went unheard - as for the come along and bleed him dry yeah in the beginning there was that possibilty, he took a risk and it paid off.

So the decision has been made already, just not implemented yet, am I right?

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Quote from: beber456 on October 13, 2014, 01:35:00 PM

Personnaly nothing changed for me , yesterday my faucet was at 1390 sat and today its the same amount ...only the captcha changed ...
btw i dont play a lot on Primedice, im "only" level 16 but im quite interesting on PD update or politics ...

Nothing has changed yet, but it's most likely about to soon.

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Personnaly nothing changed for me , yesterday my faucet was at 1390 sat and today its the same amount ...only the captcha changed ...
btw i dont play a lot on Primedice, im "only" level 16 but im quite interesting on PD update or politics ...

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Diamond, can I get your take on my idea one page back?

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At the end of the day the world isn't perfect and life isn't fair. PD is a business. But this issue isn't about the BTC being spent, hence why Stunna is asking for suggestions to replace it. It's about the phenomenon of a particular demographic of the BTC community leading to two main things:

A lot of the people who show up on the HR list frequently dislike speaking in chat due to the spam they receive asking for BTC/tips. Even those who do speak in chat get VERY pissed off by it. I have spoken to a HR who got very pissed off when people who he had already tipped started asking him for more BTC.
The support spam. It is not as simple as "let one of the mods deal with it". It is not professional, it is not reliable as they're volunteers, and it's not fair on the mod. Hence why Admins deal with support and the Mods just tell people to go to the Admins - they're the guys who can actually help you. Admins have a large toolbox and can answer pretty much 100% of support emails. Mods...nope.

The surge of people complaining about this possible change proves my point. Slight note, I've only seen 1 person who is Full Member+ and is against the removal of faucet.

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Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 12:38:56 PM

Quote from: Cyrax89721 on October 13, 2014, 12:14:59 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 12:05:50 PM

Sigh.... I think some of his decisions are bad.

None of these ideas that you have about Stunna help further the community in any way. Especially when you have no proof on his lack of credibility.

Read my previous posts in this thread to see the ideas. They would help the site, so stfu before you look into what you are stating. Don't bother replying to this, I cba to argue with people who doesn't know what they are talking about. Made several PM:s, mails as well as the ideas I've posted a couple of days earlier as well as a couple of weeks.

I'm not talking about your ideas for the site, which are indeed just as valid as any of the other ideas in this thread. I'm talking about your personal attacks against Stunna, calling him greedy and not caring about the community, etc.

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Quote from: Cyrax89721 on October 13, 2014, 12:14:59 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 12:05:50 PM

Sigh.... I think some of his decisions are bad.

None of these ideas that you have about Stunna help further the community in any way. Especially when you have no proof on his lack of credibility.

Read my previous posts in this thread to see the ideas. They would help the site, so stfu before you look into what you are stating. Don't bother replying to this, I cba to argue with people who doesn't know what they are talking about. Made several PM:s, mails as well as the ideas I've posted a couple of days earlier as well as a couple of weeks.

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We have 5 pages of people bitching about faucet payouts. Oh boo hoo go do some damn surveys you'll make more money doing that then you ever would with the damn faucet. Good for you stuns on shutting it down. I'm completely for the decision.

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Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 12:05:50 PM

Quote from: Cyrax89721 on October 13, 2014, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 11:59:32 AM

Quote from: dooglus on October 13, 2014, 11:22:54 AM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

Ok here is what I think: Stunna has used the community as a tool and nothing more. He does not give 2 shits about the community, just look in the past;

Stunna is running a business. He pays for signatures when it makes economical sense to do so. He advertises the site however he thinks will have the best response. That's what businesses do.

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

1.3+ billion bets it doesn't take a genious to figure out that Stunna has made enough money and then some to live life in luxury.

You can't work out anything about how well he has done from just the number of bets on a site where the overwhelming majority of those bets are dust bets made with faucet payments... The site no longer publishes the amount wagered, only the number of bets, but when it stopped, it had been looking like this:

Tue Sep 30 11:14:09 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 479,855.2881 TOTAL BETS: 1,165,821,154
Wed Oct 1 09:26:44 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 481,527.3520 TOTAL BETS: 1,173,764,666
Thu Oct 2 11:09:28 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 484,587.2089 TOTAL BETS: 1,184,083,585

In the last 2 days they had 20 million bets wagering a total of 5000 BTC. That's an average of 0.00025 BTC per bet - much smaller than any of the other popular sites.

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

Stunna is a false greedy intelligent person - he could easy keep faucet up and still have enough, he has the money to hire way more staff but he doesn't need to. If he cared about the community he would keep the wallet and increased the staff to deal with problems. Go get me fanboys but come with valid arguments.

I'm not a fanboi, but I don't think any of this makes Stunna a bad person.

Stunna is a businessman. We have no idea how much his site has made or how much it has paid out to developers, hosting fees, funding the faucet, etc. Even if he has done very well from the site, he doesn't owe you the right to use a faucet on his site indefinitely.

It has been pretty clear that the site has been having trouble running smoothly at various times through its life. I get the impression that it has been better recently, but even then there have been problems with the chat lagging. Now maybe that's a good old fashioned DDoSing, but maybe the hoards of faucet users doesn't help either. If they're also overwhelming the support people with their calls free money then maybe it does make business sense to knock it on the head.

Made a large reply to this but I previewed it and went back it was gone. Even if it's smaller than any of the other popular sites (which btw? PD3 pretty much monopoly now) it's still fortune amounts.

Just gonna say this: I don't think Stunna is a bad guy like most of you seems to believe.

If you don't think Stunna is a bad guy then I really don't see what point you're trying to make.

Sigh.... I think some of his decisions are bad.

None of these ideas that you have about Stunna help further the community in any way. Especially when you have no proof on his lack of credibility.

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Quote from: Cyrax89721 on October 13, 2014, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 11:59:32 AM

Quote from: dooglus on October 13, 2014, 11:22:54 AM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

Ok here is what I think: Stunna has used the community as a tool and nothing more. He does not give 2 shits about the community, just look in the past;

Stunna is running a business. He pays for signatures when it makes economical sense to do so. He advertises the site however he thinks will have the best response. That's what businesses do.

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

1.3+ billion bets it doesn't take a genious to figure out that Stunna has made enough money and then some to live life in luxury.

You can't work out anything about how well he has done from just the number of bets on a site where the overwhelming majority of those bets are dust bets made with faucet payments... The site no longer publishes the amount wagered, only the number of bets, but when it stopped, it had been looking like this:

Tue Sep 30 11:14:09 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 479,855.2881 TOTAL BETS: 1,165,821,154
Wed Oct 1 09:26:44 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 481,527.3520 TOTAL BETS: 1,173,764,666
Thu Oct 2 11:09:28 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 484,587.2089 TOTAL BETS: 1,184,083,585

In the last 2 days they had 20 million bets wagering a total of 5000 BTC. That's an average of 0.00025 BTC per bet - much smaller than any of the other popular sites.

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

Stunna is a false greedy intelligent person - he could easy keep faucet up and still have enough, he has the money to hire way more staff but he doesn't need to. If he cared about the community he would keep the wallet and increased the staff to deal with problems. Go get me fanboys but come with valid arguments.

I'm not a fanboi, but I don't think any of this makes Stunna a bad person.

Stunna is a businessman. We have no idea how much his site has made or how much it has paid out to developers, hosting fees, funding the faucet, etc. Even if he has done very well from the site, he doesn't owe you the right to use a faucet on his site indefinitely.

It has been pretty clear that the site has been having trouble running smoothly at various times through its life. I get the impression that it has been better recently, but even then there have been problems with the chat lagging. Now maybe that's a good old fashioned DDoSing, but maybe the hoards of faucet users doesn't help either. If they're also overwhelming the support people with their calls free money then maybe it does make business sense to knock it on the head.

Made a large reply to this but I previewed it and went back it was gone. Even if it's smaller than any of the other popular sites (which btw? PD3 pretty much monopoly now) it's still fortune amounts.

Just gonna say this: I don't think Stunna is a bad guy like most of you seems to believe.

If you don't think Stunna is a bad guy then I really don't see what point you're trying to make.

Sigh.... I think some of his decisions are bad.

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Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 11:59:32 AM

Quote from: dooglus on October 13, 2014, 11:22:54 AM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

Ok here is what I think: Stunna has used the community as a tool and nothing more. He does not give 2 shits about the community, just look in the past;

Stunna is running a business. He pays for signatures when it makes economical sense to do so. He advertises the site however he thinks will have the best response. That's what businesses do.

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

1.3+ billion bets it doesn't take a genious to figure out that Stunna has made enough money and then some to live life in luxury.

You can't work out anything about how well he has done from just the number of bets on a site where the overwhelming majority of those bets are dust bets made with faucet payments... The site no longer publishes the amount wagered, only the number of bets, but when it stopped, it had been looking like this:

Tue Sep 30 11:14:09 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 479,855.2881 TOTAL BETS: 1,165,821,154
Wed Oct 1 09:26:44 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 481,527.3520 TOTAL BETS: 1,173,764,666
Thu Oct 2 11:09:28 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 484,587.2089 TOTAL BETS: 1,184,083,585

In the last 2 days they had 20 million bets wagering a total of 5000 BTC. That's an average of 0.00025 BTC per bet - much smaller than any of the other popular sites.

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

Stunna is a false greedy intelligent person - he could easy keep faucet up and still have enough, he has the money to hire way more staff but he doesn't need to. If he cared about the community he would keep the wallet and increased the staff to deal with problems. Go get me fanboys but come with valid arguments.

I'm not a fanboi, but I don't think any of this makes Stunna a bad person.

Stunna is a businessman. We have no idea how much his site has made or how much it has paid out to developers, hosting fees, funding the faucet, etc. Even if he has done very well from the site, he doesn't owe you the right to use a faucet on his site indefinitely.

It has been pretty clear that the site has been having trouble running smoothly at various times through its life. I get the impression that it has been better recently, but even then there have been problems with the chat lagging. Now maybe that's a good old fashioned DDoSing, but maybe the hoards of faucet users doesn't help either. If they're also overwhelming the support people with their calls free money then maybe it does make business sense to knock it on the head.

Made a large reply to this but I previewed it and went back it was gone. Even if it's smaller than any of the other popular sites (which btw? PD3 pretty much monopoly now) it's still fortune amounts.

Just gonna say this: I don't think Stunna is a bad guy like most of you seems to believe.

If you don't think Stunna is a bad guy then I really don't see what point you're trying to make.

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Quote from: Gws24 on October 13, 2014, 11:53:50 AM

Quote from: sickhouse on October 13, 2014, 10:02:44 AM

rant

farm the faucet much?

Yeah, but deposited way more than I've farmed.
Total
wagered
15.16306155
Total
profit
-0.07865904

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