Topic: PrimeNumber7 is an alt of Quickseller, Take 2 - page 11. (Read 4502 times)

the OP went as far back as march 2017 to find examples of common misspellings. that's what i was referring to.


i think my references to the word "common" sum it up. these examples are "occurring, found, or done often; prevalent." it's tough to put a number on it exactly. you implied the likelihood is extremely low so i'm interested to hear the odds you'd put on it.

parsing through forum accounts to find generic similarities sounds super rewarding and worthy of my time, but i'll pass.


i think neutral feedback and the "likely" characterization are perhaps reasonable---at least not worthy of arguing over. that's different than acting like there is actual proof here. or red tagging PrimeNumber7 for a "likely" but unproven connection.


well played.

I have been on the boarder of this subject immidiately after seeing the first accusations but their was absolutely no evidence at all presented transparently and surely wasn't 100% convinced past the maximum benefit of the doubt, but the evidence presented in the OP of this thread, while still circumstantial, does further convince me that PN7 is likely QS..

I think the underlying root cause of QS starting this fresh account would be for monitory reasons (like Rodger Ver's "real Bitcoin") as others have stated to earn from a signature campaign, rather than to further sow discord..
Atleast he didn't just buy an account passphraise and created it on his own from scratch..

I'll up the stakes eventually if there are no takers but it sounded to me that some people in this thread were very confident in this being a likely occurrence.


No, that's not quite the same. Two accounts that are horrible at spelling or misuse words wouldn't mean anything. Two accounts who misspell the same words the same way and use the same rare phrases is what makes this case so rare.

Edit: after re-reading this I'm thinking we're saying the same thing, so never mind.

I'm now genuinely curious how good we are at gauging probabilities of extremely rare coincidences. Our wealth literally depends on it, this being a somewhat-crypto-related forum.


Alright, I'm off to find a jar of pickles. I don't think that'll change my mind though.


Of course he does, for signature campaigns: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50523936

Australian typo?

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Don't know if you used that spelling of principal ironically, but it made me chuckle.  Anyway, I don't know if anyone was slamming you for trying to connect accounts via writing styles, but that method is unscientific at best.  Sometimes there are little word quirks that seem to give people away (like mdayonliner, for example) but you can't really prove anything--at least not like you could with blockchain evidence.

At this point I'm wondering why Quickseller would even start up a new account.  It's very hard to rank up from scratch, and I don't even think QS feels the need for an account with clean feedback.  I'm not saying Primenumber7 isn't his alt, but it does make me wonder what his motivation would be if it is his account.

Well, it needs to be a bit more encouraging than just that, probably 1 BTC will get the job done   .

It's of course highly unlikely to find the "exact" words, the proper challenge should be finding the same number of spelling mistakes between any two accounts.


I do agree.

It does, I blame the sodium.

I wouldn't exclude you (not that my exclusion matters anyway) for such a thing, you make a lot more valid accusations than not, even in this one, and after having dug in a little deeper, I am almost certain that your thoughts are valid, both accounts seem very similar, there is no denial in that, but non of what you, I or anyone else thinks is a good enough evidence IMO.



 

Negative Feedback :  Mikeywith tried to murder Suchmoon
Reference: "get some salt"

If we don't start "fixing" the standards around here, pretty soon the above sarcasm will be normal around here.

Well no.

I updated my trust/feedback post a couple of weeks ago along with my other posts concerning Quickseller. My previous posts I deleted.

I also made a comment concerning PN7's posts resembling QS's a few weeks back. (Which is why I left neutral feedback )

See also: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53506439

PrimeNumber7 registered in March 2019.


How likely is "somewhat likely"? 1 in a million? 1 in a thousand? Bonus points if you can find another user who matches all findings in the OP and is not Quicksy's alt.

If anyone can do that I'll replace my neutral on PN7's account with a positive rating containing an apology. Posts created or edited after January 1 2020 don't count for obvious reasons.


I'm not red-trusting or flagging the account. I do believe my neutral is fully justified though and I disagree that the OP info is meaningless.

On the other hand, if I'm so dumb that I could be so gravely mistaken then I don't deserve to be in DT anyway so if anyone thinks so feel free to exclude me. (this was edited down from a larger paragraph so it sounds a bit abrupt but that's pretty much the essence of my position on the matter so no need for too many words).

Nice try getting me killed with salt overdose

I have edited that, but you were way too fast  .


"A fake newbie" and "Quickseller's alt" are completely different levels of accusations, I am willing to bet he was "a fake newbie", I am also not willing to bet 2 cents on him NOT being Quickseller, and despite the fact I may tend to believe the accusation is valid, I don't agree to the "low standards" many members use to "prove" something.

for reference: suchmoon was the first user who tagged PN7 for suspecting him of being "a fake newbie".. Whereas the poor me was thinking that he might be theymos (just think of how hard I was chocked when he applied for his first sig campaign).

i also showed the "uncommon phrases" and "odd uses of words" are actually common. half the linguistic "evidence" goes out the window off the bat, which suggests to me bad faith on the part of the OP.


so many things? over the course of 3 years, we have one example each of 4 common misspellings and 1 uncommon one. is that an accurate summary of this "forensic linguistics" analysis? (i put that term in quotes because this occurs to me as completely unscientific)

i bet if you parse through years of my posts, you'll find a few misspellings i've shared in common with probably a bunch of other forum accounts. i really don't find that conclusive at all.

to answer your question, "somewhat likely".

Not really possible for me to answer that honestly because there is no chance in hell I would have trusted someone like PrimeNumber7. I have excluded him very early on. But I can tell you this - I have no doubt it's the same person for a number of reasons, and the spelling similarities merely confirm my opinion, not create my opinion.


Nah, I think it fits perfectly. Do you honestly believe I'm retaliating because I'm secretly selling KYC accounts? Because that's what the non-Quickseller came up with. I expect more nonsense like that in the days to come. Quickseller's signature move.

SM, if the accused person was someone else, will you still have the same opinion? more importantly, if the accused person was someone you trust.


The above is the perfect explanation of how things have actually become, if this topic contains a remotely close evidence of the accusation, then framing anyone would be fairly easy.

1-Go to www.google.com.

2-Use

3-Spend some time to match spelling mistakes.

4-Accuse.

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PrimeNumber7 seems like a decent poster, he has more merit than activity which is not very usual, he seems to contribute a good amount to the forum,and if there is the slightest chance that he is not Quickseller - accusing him of being so "If he is not" is a severe injustice given Quickseller's terrible reputation.

And here we go, an excuse for every misspelling.

That's pretty much the point, taken individually none of these quirks is a proof of anything. But how likely is it that two random users would have so many things in common.

Keep them pretzels coming though, I'm low on sodium.

i dunno, the evidence seems really flimsy to me.

take the misspelling of "immidiately". there are are 766,000 google results for that misspelling. how is that conclusive of anything? why is it even included on this list?

"boarder" could easily be a typo written by anyone, particularly since it's a real word that won't be picked up by spell check.

"Rodger Ver"---i've written this typo myself and so have many others. it was even a notable hashtag for a time on twitter.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/RodgerVer?src=hash
https://twitter.com/VerRodger
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/69oxoa/rodger_ver_admits_unlimited_block_size_could/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7w259j/i_found_a_chink_in_rodger_vers_armour_what_are/

"monitory" suffers from the same problem as "boarder". this is an easy typo to make that won't be picked up by spell check.

"underlying root cause" is actually a common expression, probably because "underlying" is part of the definition of "root cause".
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22underlying+root+cause%22

"to sow discord" is also a common english expression:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22sow+discord%22

there are tens of thousands of examples of people on news sites, twitter, etc saying "maximum benefit of the doubt":
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22maximum+benefit+of+the+doubt%22

i also disagree with the characterization of PrimeNumber7/Quickseller's usage of the word "transparently" as "odd". i believe they both used the word correctly.

there is only one interesting word/phrase set on this list. "passphraise" is an uncommon misspelling, with only some hundreds of results showing up on google. however, two things of note here:
-"phraise" is apparently not so uncommon of a misspelling, with 28,600 results on google, so the possibility of a common typo is there. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=phraise
-quickseller also uses the correct spelling of "passphrase" at various times.

all in all, i think you guys are reaching really hard with this list. the hatred some of you have for Quickseller is causing the standards of evidence to be set really low.

the PrimeNumber7 account seems harmless. i too suspect he might be Quickseller but tbh, who gives a shit? what behavior has PrimeNumber7 engaged in that warrants this witch hunt behavior? maybe just leave the guy alone.....

paging tspacepilot..... where are you???

Forensic linguistics never fail.

Interesting spelling mistakes, I always thought QuickSeller was a native English speaker.

So, if you want to hide your alt: set your spelling checker to a different language (Australian English for instance).
And if you want to pretend to be someone else: add a few incorrect words from said person to your auto-replace list.

A quick search on Google shows how frequent certain spellings are used.

If they're alts, at least they uphold some standards

I neutral-tagged him as a "fake newbie" shortly thereafter, later revised to the more apt "likely alt of a scammer" as more evidence emerged.

There are some other peculiarities:

• Quickseller and PrimeNumber7 are clearly interested and fluent in the same topics but never quoted or replied to each other.
• Quickseller never sent merits to PrimeNumber7 and vice versa.

That quotation with word "transparently" is quite interesting:





According to PrimeNumber7, no evidence is evidence.