Topic: PrimeNumber7 is an alt of Quickseller, Take 2 - page 7. (Read 4502 times)

Great fucking question. What is the point of all this again even if you are right?


Even if this was planned carefully, this is hardly a mastermind plan. No, just plain old deceit and spite, it doesn't even require planning, just being really butthurt and deluded. Thanks by highlighting the fact I got you here by bringing up conspiracy theories as a last ditch effort to make these accusations seem unrealistic and over the top, very elucidating regarding how you operate. Can't argue the facts? Attack the source.

My neutral rating literally says "Likely a well-known scammer evading red trust." If you want to think that I masterminded some scheme with this Jedi mind trick by saying "scammer" and everyone thinking "Quickseller" - I can't stop you. Your penchant for conspiracy theories is well know as is your inability to be wrong. You might want to continue this in a reeeeeeeeeeeeee thread since this one is getting off rails.

If anyone else feels that me saying "The accusation was floating around for a long time and PN7 got red tagged before this thread even existed" was deceptive - I'm sorry. That was not my intent.


Your post said that nutildah made the accusation (of PN7 being QS, unless you mean some other accusation? that'd be quite weird though). I responded that the accusation existed before this thread. Which part confuses you?

It's not even that. What "crime" are we "trying" him for?


You keep insisting we are trying him for a crime when we are not. That's not intellectually dishonest?

You came in here mischaracterizing what I was doing from the get go and then continued to focus on trivial aspects instead of attempting to visualize the bigger picture. I never said what I was doing was scientific or amounted to "linguistic forensics", but then you criticized me for not satisfying your standards for that field, which is also intellectually dishonest. It's as if I painted a picture of an iguana and you told me that it was a terrible cat. I thought maybe your misunderstanding was born out of confusion, but you insist that its not, so indeed there's not much left to be said at this point.


It's not for everybody, that's for certain.


You're always welcome to participate in the discussions here.

of course not. it's a kangaroo court:

i didn't misquote or misorder anything, so the characterization as "fake" seems pretty dishonest. my post came before your entire exchange with TECSHARE and had nothing to do it. why would i include it, to confuse people? here is the full quote for context:



just......no. why are you trying to project weird false shit onto me?

i suggested here that the first publicly known accusation against PrimeNumber7 was your trust feedback posted in july 2019. i understand now that you are trying to paint that as "not an accusation" but it's what i (and i assume TECSHARE) were referring to. "Likely a well-known scammer evading red trust" is definitely an accusation, and i think it's insulting to everyone's intelligence to act like you weren't talking about quickseller.


tbh, i'm really only here at this point because you made some obvious mischaracterizations about things i said/did, so i felt compelled to respond.

but since you asked: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53678431

at first i dismissed the idea but AFAICT it's true: you were the first to publicly accuse PrimeNumber7, and now you are here perpetuating that accusation. that makes it difficult to dismiss what TECSHARE is saying.


that's a blatant straw man. the argument was never about whether public accusations existed prior to this thread (which was created 3 days ago ). the point of contention was always this:


anyway, i need to bow out of this discussion. 100% not worth it. i've not seen so much intellectual dishonesty in one place in a very, very long time. from deflection to fallacy to mischaracterization, etc rinse repeat---it is exhausting. i feel dirty just participating. the reputation board is a cesspool.

keep fighting the good fight, TECSHARE. i honestly don't know how you keep it up around here.

later guys. i hope i didn't fuck up your witch burning. i'll stay out of the next one....

Both of which occurred AFTER your July 2nd 2019 accusation. As I said previously, you were the source of the accusation, a bunch of people who also hold grudges against Quickseller repeat it, you reference your own accusations as if they came from no where and are just accepted fact. This is basic "information laundering".

It seems to me like you're purposefully overlooking the obvious (that PN7 is the same person as QS) in order to play lawyer and cast a shadow of a doubt. That's fine, and I do appreciate dissenting opinions, but as I said in the beginning this isn't a court of law. We're not convicting anybody of anything here, and no sentences are being handed out. Therefore, I don't need to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. If you continue to insist they are not the same person, feel free to leave him a neutral or positive feedback or whatever you need to do to let other forum members know that I am wrong.

I stand by my initial assertion:

Each piece of evidence on its own does not mean anything, but when all are taken together as a whole (everything, not just the linguistic comparisons), anybody should be able to reasonably conclude that QS and PN7 are the same person.

If you disagree, that's fine, and I can live with that.

I said that public accusations (yes, started by someone else) existed prior to this thread. I did produce examples. Which part of this are you disputing?

Yeah the part where you start the accusations, then refer to them later as if some one else started them. You then claim that prior accusations exist, you swear it, except you can't produce them. Like I said before:



You are clearly demonstrating this pattern of behavior regardless if it was a neutral or not. You started the accusations, then a bunch of people who have disputes with Quickseller repeated them, you pretend like the accusations just popped out of nowhere and are just accepted fact. This is what is called information laundering and the media does it all the time to push bullshit stories. Oh, Joe Bob tweeted it, we can report it as he stated it. All it is is a thin legal protection from being culpable for spreading malicious lies. In your case a thin pretext for taking responsibility for claiming some one else made the claims and referencing back to them as justification for your current accusations.

Why did you omit your own post from the fake quote pyramid? It originated with you claiming that this thread made the PN7 == QS accusation but that's clearly false. I didn't make that accusation either - my neutral rating was worded the way it was (and made neutral to begin with) for a good reason.

So why don't you dispense with the pretzels and state exactly what it is you're trying to pin on me. Posting a neutral rating based on a suspicion? Guilty as charged. Anything else?

i think it's pretty clear from the following conversation:


TECSHARE asserted the accusation against PrimeNumber7 originated with you (and insinuated this thread is part of a personal ongoing effort to smear him). you denied that assertion, but AFAICT the earliest public accusation does appear to come from you. please correct me if i'm wrong.

that's why it seemed relevant---it was literally the subject of discussion for several vitriolic posts back and forth.


perhaps that should boil down to the individual feedback and trust lists since they are two different accounts.

i think of trust in terms of "whose feedback (including counter feedback) do i want to see to assess trader reputability", not "is there circumstantial evidence of an alt account? i better change my trust ratings based on that!!1!!1!"

i would add PrimeNumber7 to my trust list too if i thought his feedback and trust list were actually valuable to me. they aren't.

I don't know. How is that relevant?


Whatever floats your boat. I don't see how that explains trusting and distrusting the same person at the same time but it doesn't really matter to me.

are there prior accusations from before you tagged PrimeNumber7 in july 2019?


while PrimeNumber7 doesn't presently have particularly valuable feedback or trust list, i'm beginning to see the value in including users from both sides of any "forum drama", if not generally issuing counter feedback. or at least tempering my trust list to account for how DT is actually used.

it's obvious that trust feedback (including DT) is generally used to facilitate personal vendettas and forum politics, not to mention that proof is optional. as TECSHARE pointed out, there are doxxers and plenty of legally/morally questionable behavior whichever side of the divide (DT and its detractors) you look at, so DT itself is not an accurate gauge for what is acceptable behavior on this forum. those who were around during quickseller's heyday know that he likely could have easily redeemed himself and retained his DT status in 2015 had he simply kneeled at the time instead of doubling down on his scoundrel behavior and digging himself deeper and deeper. (as we know quickseller tends to do)

i think all of this is fairly obvious to anyone who knows the facts and has a brain. very few people are willing to call it out or accept their role in perpetuating it though. props to TECSHARE and mikeywith for having the balls not to toe the party line. some other people ITT just depress the fuck outta me.

Sorry, I thought you can read dates. Lauda's tag precedes this thread. Do you need help figuring that out?

Prior accusations:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53538429
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52912409

There is a lot more if you care to look for it, which I'm guessing you don't and you'll deflect into something else now.

that's probably because nobody in the thread actually knows dick about forensic linguistics or statistical rigor despite the armchair expertise intended to show otherwise.


it's much safer for you to achieve consensus first. that precludes any risk of having feedback countered or trust line exclusion or general drama around your judgment. group consensus is essential for mob mentality, which was the apparent object here since (as you acknowledge) proof was never on the table.

it's very transparent what was really happening here. i'm glad someone---TECSHARE---is willing to call it out for what it is.

some people are trying to act as if quickseller was such a huge scammer who scammed so many people out of so much money (), that it's vitally important that his alts be outed even absent any direct evidence. people who were active during quickseller's heyday can instantly see through that transparent posturing.

if quickseller had ever stolen money or actually achieved a long con, these low standards for evidence might be acceptable. in truth, people are only taking that line because quickseller showed himself to be an unhinged, sociopathic pain in the fucking ass (which is the true reason he fell from grace, not "forensic linguistics" or "self-escrow")---not because there is truly any moral justification. they are transparently just lynch mobbing because they hate quickseller. as TECSHARE notes, "scambusting" is the perfect veneer to engage in such behavior:


quickseller is known for his ridiculous logical contortions and unproven accusations against other people. why reduce ourselves to that level?

Of course you are, and in the process just skipping the part where you prove your prerequisite claim:


Seeing a lot of this going on too:

They post lies and just repeat them until people forget they are liars and start believing in their lies. This technique is often used by scammers so accusations have to be repeated so people won't forget that they are potentially lying.

Shit, I didn't move out of scam accusation board to listen all this crap again I usually listened from people accused to run scam ICO's, so fuck off TECSHARE.

I was talking about YOUR claim of laundering accusations and whatnot. I don't have a burden of proof for that, you do.


So you're protecting the community by including PrimeNumber7 in your trust list?

I feel safer already, thanks.

Why would I waste my time disproving a premise you have the burden of proof on? This is a pattern of behavior among several "scambusters" here on the forum. They make accusations and just repeat them until people forget where it even came from and just act as it is now accepted fact. This is also known as operant conditioning, a primary technique used in propaganda and marketing. If you are so concerned about doxing, why is it you still have Vod on your trust list? Like I said before, you have a habit of picking a target then arranging facts around them to manipulate a certain narrative rather than following the facts themselves. The primary purpose of the trust system is to protect the community. Your use of it is an implicit claim of doing so with your action.

I have suspected it for a long time, that's not exactly a secret given my neutral trust rating but as far as I can remember the first public mention of this link didn't come from me or from anyone I may have told about it. If I'm wrong about it I'm sure you'll prove it with solid evidence.

I also never said anything about "protecting the community". As far as being a threat, people casually doxed by Quickseller might disagree with you but it's up to everyone's individual choice if they want to share personal info with PrimeNumber7 or include him in their trust lists.

The accusation was floating around? Like just in the ether? The beginnings of those accusations couldn't have been you couldn't it and you are simply laundering your own past accusations as if they were just "floating around" as if materializing out of the ether and from no one in particular? The really dumb thing about all of this is, even if you are right, who gives a fuck? Quickseller is a huge pain in the ass and has a history of making false accusations, along with a relatively minor impropriety were the damage was minimal if anything. What exactly are you protecting the community from here? I wouldn't trust Quickseller but I don't consider him a threat. All of this is self serving mobbing over nothing.