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Topic: Project Anastasia: Bitcoiners Against Identity Theft [re: Craig Wright scam] - page 6. (Read 4391 times)

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@owlcatz, No worries I understand, we are all humans at the end of the day and I respect you for offering an Apology. Many people think it's the end of the world if they were to accept their mistake but it's not. I myself have been in your shoes, sometimes what appears to be a shitpost actually does make sense but we are just being ignorant of the premise. Yesterday I created a thread to request Spoiler tags for the forum and I went ahead and reported @Kuffy's post for not adding any value to the thread. Looking today at it, I realized it is somewhat of genuine thought and wasn't worth the report. All in all, we are good! Smiley

Edit: Coming to nullius point, Accidently clicked post...

@nullius I do agree with you that there is always a difference between what the public can relate to and what the academic is all about. Some times ideas have to be dumbed down so that average joe can get a grasp of what is happening at the academic level. An example would be Darwin's theory of Evolution, to the general public it might be a theory which suggests that we evolved from monkeys but at the academic level its viewed as something else, It's about random mutations, adaptation and so much more. So I do agree with you there.

As for Satoshi not outing these thieves is understandable to me at least but that shouldn't stop us from outing these scammers. I do agree with what Gmaxwell said "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". I have been thinking to make an avatar campaign which would say "We are all Satoshi, except for CSW". I don't know about the funding part but it can be sort of a solidarity campaign where whoever wants to participate can wear the avatar.

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Now, why has nobody else seen this as identity theft?  Perhaps that is because the term is usually applied only to much smaller cases.  A mundane, garden-variety identity thief steals an identity to open and drain new credit cards in your name, or to commit a similar crime orders of magnitude smaller than the Faketoshi scam.

Sure I do understand and accept the identity theft angle, and don't get me wrong, since I have little to no sympathy for that fucktwat, craig wright.

I would NOT proclaim that the identity theft angle is any kind of slam dunk, because surely there can be nuances with any framework and any argument that is made about the persona, Satoshi.. and the fact that he really is NOT known. Furthermore, there can be some implied permission to attempt to steal the name and to copy whatever the fuck you like because the whole project is open source, including the name Satoshi Nakamoto...

Craig Wright takes this open source to another level, just like several of the bcash forks or the various crypto projects that try to deceive and/or mislead the public into believing that they are the real bitcoin or they are better than bitcoin, implying or outright asserting various supposed bitcoin deficiencies.  Furthermore, they will sometimes go so far as to describe features as if they were bugs.. when they were intentionally made.. for example, bitcoin was designed in a way to be somewhat difficult to change, but several of the scamming fucktwat forks or imitation products try to assert themselves as better because they easily fork or they easily upgrade, and have even marketed themselves as being nimble.

What can be so offensive about CSW is that he describes bitcoin in various ways that are actually quite the opposite of what it is in terms of intending to be regulated by governments and governing and even engages in conduct that is quite the opposite of open source project such as his variety of his patent applications... or even copyrighting the whitepaper... while sucking off the open source nature of bitcoin.

I guess that my point is that identify theft serves as just one angle to consider what is going on with craig as compared to some of the other projects in the space, and sure you framed your identity theft arguments in interesting and even persuasive ways, nullius, there still seems to be something that is off about trying to fit too much or too many arguments into that one framework.. because even satoshi acknowledged that there was not really going to be any way to get rid of the various imitations and snake oils and in some sense leaving some burdens upon members of the public to figure it out... and we know that there are a lot of dumb and gullible people out there and it could take generations to really get bitcoin rolling in a solid way, including the ever present question about what is the meaning of global reserve status... including a likely outcome that there are always going to be some alternative and more inferior ways to spend money or even people who engage in conduct that deceives other people in snake oil salesmen kind of ways..., kind of part of human nature, and we should not aspire to be robots, I would conjecture.


.........emotional and psychological manipulation—unavoidably, to such swindlers as Craig Wright.  Observe that with no facts on his side, and with no logic on his side, he successfully persuades many people who do not think through facts and logic.

That's for sure.  It's like they want to be scammed, even though if you ask any person, they say that they do not want to be scammed.  Funny how that works in practice.
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And the name of Anastasia and her photographs in this article are designed to cause tears and violent emotions in readers.
This whole article is cheap PR and a game with the name of Anastasia.
Maybe I'm wrong.
But I don’t like it when someone uses other people's emotions.

This is like bringing a sword to a gunfight—whilst claiming that swords are “honourable” weapons, and you refuse to weapons requiring less strength and skill for a duel.

Yes, my argument is emotionally evocative—intentionally so, for the good reasons explained below.  Whereas foremost here, I must address my own motives and thought process.

I am a dispassionate thinker, and a passionate writer.  I think through my arguments with cold objectivity, then open a blank page to express how I feel about the conclusions which sound reason has already commanded.  And far from being “cheap PR and a game with the name of Anastasia” as you allege, my essay is a Bitcoiner’s offering of a little homage to Anastasia’s memory.  For the history of Anastasia is an issue that I actually care about—both as an issue in itself, and insofar as I regard Anastasia as symbolic of the many millions of innocent victims of Communist mass-murder.  I did not simply pick her name out of a hat, or cast about for some convenient source of emotional impact.

I hereby have sincerely expressed my high respect for each of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna Romanova, whom I am proud to memorialize by her proper title in OP, and Satoshi Nakamoto, the ingenious founder of Bitcoin.  I have also imposed on this thread a moderation rule requiring that replies must “be kind to Anastasia, and honest toward Satoshi”.  That is what I call a “win-win”, insofar as it is the intersection of the stories of two famous historical personages whom I remember for different reasons.

People must remember what happened to Anastasia, remember why it happened, remember how the injustice of her murder was compounded by the insult of identity theft intended to steal her memory and swindle her surviving relatives—and must stop the analogous identity theft of a famous person in the case of Satoshi.

Of course, the respective circumstances of these two persons are very different and not comparable.  However, Anastasia was royalty; and I do not think she would have objected to the wisdom of applying her own story to teach lessons for the greater good, as the names of the most famous royalty have always been spun into fables long after their deaths.  Yes, I thought through all of this before writing my essay; and I asked myself, would a Grand Duchess want other than to let her name be a banner of justice to stop criminals from scamming for money, stealing power, and attacking a noble cause?  My biographical reading on the Romanov daughters’ graceful personalities leaves me no doubt.  Although I can have no definite answer from one who has been dead for over a century, I wrote my essay with not only a clear conscience, but even a positive conviction that Anastasia would be pleased.

I do not understand what is new we have learned in this article.

Then, you missed the point.  After having rethought the matter from first principles, I introduced in OP my own original thinking on how best to describe the Faketoshi scam.  I have never before seen anybody call it identity theft—whereas that is what it is, by definition!  Thus have I developed a new way to instantly explain the central issue to the average person, in terms familiar to the public consciousness.  Everybody knows what identity theft is, and everybody knows it’s bad.

Now, why has nobody else seen this as identity theft?  Perhaps that is because the term is usually applied only to much smaller cases.  A mundane, garden-variety identity thief steals an identity to open and drain new credit cards in your name, or to commit a similar crime orders of magnitude smaller than the Faketoshi scam.

As a new symbolic archetype for grand-scale identity theft, I chose the famous case of Grand Duchess Anastasia.  I thereupon applied this symbol to communicate what the Wright scam really does to Satoshi.

When Craig Wright is properly labelled in the public consciousness as a perpetrator of grand-scale identity theft, please remember properly to credit nullius for the idea.

You could just call it: Craig Wright is a liar.
But then no one will read this article.

Exactly:  But then no one will read this article.

If you insist on making arguments that only use facts and logic, then I suggest that you should join one of the many online discussions wherein hardcore Bitcoiners refute Wright’s lies point by point.  But please, do not tell others to use that form of argument for communications with the general public!

Self-defeating principles are ipso facto wrong principles.  If your principles make you assist your own defeat at the hands of those whom you say are “wrong”, then you are wrong, too:  You are passively fighting for the “wrong” which you condemn.  If you bring a sword to a gunfight, then your “honour” and all your principles will die with you.  If you insist on defending Bitcoin with only facts and logic, then you will confine Bitcoin advocacy to a few obscure forums inhabited mostly by crypto-coders and technology enthusiasts with robot-logic.  Thus will you surrender Bitcoin to those whose weapons are only emotional and psychological manipulation—unavoidably, to such swindlers as Craig Wright.  Observe that with no facts on his side, and with no logic on his side, he successfully persuades many people who do not think through facts and logic.

I assure you that the emotional impact of my Anastasia essay was fully, consciously intended—and moreover, intended to be exemplary:  This is how it’s done, folks!  If you want to defeat the psychological support on which Craig Wright builds his hollow lies, then find ways to wrap true facts and sound logic in an emotionally evocative form of argument, delivered with a rhetorical eloquence measured according to the audience.  (On that last point, observe that OP was authored with much simpler language than this explanation, kept short, and bracketed by pictures.)  Then, you will have the winning combination that Faketoshi lacks:  The facts and logic that he lacks, plus a potent weapon against his manipulation of people who neither verify facts, nor coldly reason from premises to conclusions.  Under the weight of your logical iron core wrapped in passions, Faketoshi will implode as an empty shell.

Wherefore I encourage others to spread the Anastasia Bitcoin message to other venues of discussion, and also to create similar forms of argument upon the principles that I have hereby set forth.
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I do not understand what is new we have learned in this article.
You could just call it: Craig Wright is a liar.
But then no one will read this article.
What's new here? We already heard that......
And the name of Anastasia and her photographs in this article are designed to cause tears and violent emotions in readers.
This whole article is cheap PR and a game with the name of Anastasia.
Maybe I'm wrong.
But I don’t like it when someone uses other people's emotions.
legendary
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@owlcatz Trolls as in identity thieves... smdh...

Let me make my self clear if I wasn't. Dorian never claimed to be Satoshi while all the rest have. Just like it has been suggested before this only helps satoshi to hide his real identity. What I meant by you don't feed the trolls is that Satoshi never bothered responding to these identity thieves but when an innocent person was being labelled as Satoshi in the media, Satoshi came to Dorain's rescue. Saved him from all of the harassment...

Nowhere in my post, I suggested that you were a troll, you just assumed that stuff and since you assumed ( or were trying to suggest ) i was padding my signature posts, Well why not you go through my merit history for the month of January Roll Eyes

No worries mate, I obviously took all that the wrong way and wasn't exactly in a good mood when I read that about me. Sorry man, I get it, I really do. I was just asking if anything like that had happened, that's all, sorry to get involved here, I guess I'm not up to speed or something. And sorry about bitching about your sig campaign, trust me I have much better things to do than go through your post history.

cheers bud. Wink

@Nullius - Please delete this stuff if you like, sorry for the clutter. Roll Eyes
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Announcement:  Project Anastasia has been translated to Биткoинepы пpoтив кpaжи личнocти [re: Craig Wright Scam].  Cпacибo, taikuri13!



I agree on uniting and calling out liars, but such characters as Craig Wright don't even deserve the attention. Nobody in his right mind would believe this lune. esp after hearing his arguments. He lied to the judge, that's when he should really get punished for his claims

@owlcatz Umm Cuz you don't feed the trolls?

This is an important point.  For years, I ignored Craig Wright!  I saw him not only as a despicable scammer, but also as a clown and a dumb troll who should be starved of the attention he so craves.  Anyway, I had better things to do.

Then, I saw this post by Greg Maxwell, which I will hereby quote fully (with my addition of boldface and bracketed material) because it is so important:

On one hand I agree that threads related to him [Craig Wright] tend heavily to off-topic.

On the other hand, a big part of the reason that he's caused so much disruption (and he truly has)-- is because so many bitcoiners took one look at him, saw how transparently fake he was, and decided it was best to ignore him.  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.  And that is what has happened here--

It's easy for him to spin the people who do speak out against his fraud as somehow being involved with some kind of personal play against him because as a community we haven't stood united against his fraud.  Instead, far too many have just responded like "Good thing I'm not ignorant enough to fall for that, better stay away so I don't get targeted with drama too."

In the future we're going to see more crap like him threatening any business that accepts Bitcoin with patent litigation, to which the common response will be "damn, this bitcoin stuff isn't worth the trouble" from most parties who's business isn't primarily about Bitcoin.  How could you expect otherwise when your response to wright is "damn, this wright stuff isn't worth the trouble"?

Because his lies are so prolific and layered in every one of these threads there are some newer bitcoiners that end up being corrected and put on a more sensible path.  It isn't always a question of people believing him outright, often its falling for one of his lesser lies like the claim that he's an "og bitcoin investor" or that kleiman had something to do with Bitcoin's creation.

The Wright threads also make it really easy to identify many idiots and shills.  I think we're all made better off by having access to such a quick classifier of the character of our fellow posters.

If someone broke into your house and was stealing stuff-- you wouldn't just say 'that thief doesn't deserve our attention' and ignore them.  We shouldn't hesitate to defend Bitcoin and the community surrounding it.

People do, for the most part, ignore people that caused trouble in the past but aren't anymore. You hear about wright because his scams are ongoing and still growing.

Now-- if you want to argue that various threads aren't very effective and that the community could do better?  I couldn't agree more.

For opening my eyes to how my own inaction was passively permitting attacks on Bitcoin, I gave +20 for that post (whereas I need to earn that—I am not a merit source).  Then, I took the advice that “the community could do better”:  A community is made of people, I am a person—so I decided to lead by example, starting with two topics showing the types of discussion that I hope others will join me in carrying forward, far, and wide into many languages and many venues of discussion:

  • Bitcoin: The Social Phenomenon, a positive essay to explain why my motto is, “There is only one Bitcoin”, and invite community discussion thereupon.  This was an essay that I had in mind for a long time, and just never took the time to write.  I list it first, although it was actually posted after Anastasia, because I think it is important to keep this principle:  Always say what you are, before you say what you are against.  A positive message for the good must then be protected by a negative message against the bad; whereas a negative message is nothing, in itself.  (Russian translation by taikuri13; more languages coming soon!)
  • Project Anastasia, to label Craig Wright properly with a term that exactly describes his fraud, and immediately tells the average person exactly what he is doing:  Identity theft!  (Anastasia in Russian; more languages coming soon!)

In the long term, these two will only be the beginning of a series of pro-Bitcoin essays that engage the community in a renewed focus on what makes Bitcoin great, whilst also striking down the lies and scams of those who attack Bitcoin (and thus, attack your money).

I always work slowly, but I am a patient man; and I have started my Bitcoin advocacy with the intent of growing it to have a long-term large effect, not of making a drama splash and then getting bored.  Bitcoin is worth love, it is worth working for—and it is worth fighting for.
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I agree on uniting and calling out liars, but such characters as Craig Wright don't even deserve the attention. Nobody in his right mind would believe this lune. esp after hearing his arguments. He lied to the judge, that's when he should really get punished for his claims

So far I am not paying attention to this person Craig Wright, regardless if he is right or not, that is just a personal thing, but as a whole community, it is important to join efforts and avoid things like this if it is false claiming. Perhaps that person needs to be under strict surveillance until all his lies are detected or if he is right true will be revealed with plenty of proof. 
legendary
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@owlcatz Trolls as in identity thieves... smdh...

Let me make my self clear if I wasn't. Dorian never claimed to be Satoshi while all the rest have. Just like it has been suggested before this only helps satoshi to hide his real identity. What I meant by you don't feed the trolls is that Satoshi never bothered responding to these identity thieves but when an innocent person was being labelled as Satoshi in the media, Satoshi came to Dorain's rescue. Saved him from all the harassment...

Nowhere in my post, I suggested that you were a troll, you just assumed that stuff and since you assumed ( or were trying to suggest ) i was padding my signature posts, Well why not you go through my merit history for the month of January Roll Eyes
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@owlcatz Umm Cuz you don't feed the trolls? That's why Satoshi didn't bother responding? Just like @chaoscoinz said many people have claimed to be Satoshi but none have been outed by Satoshi himself. Does that mean they are all Satoshi by that logic?  Roll Eyes

What the fuck does that mean? What trolls? You tell me? Roll Eyes

I asked a simple question. I wasn't trolling, so I don't understand your logic there unless you are just shit-posting a certain amount of words for your sig camp earnings... Roll Eyes
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@owlcatz Umm Cuz you don't feed the trolls? That's why Satoshi didn't bother responding? Just like @chaoscoinz said many people have claimed to be Satoshi but none have been outed by Satoshi himself. Does that mean they are all Satoshi by that logic?  Roll Eyes
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I just realized... Last time, when Dorian got "outed", satoshi posted a message someplace saying it wasn't him.... Did he ever do that for CSW? (Not that it matters that much, but was curious).  Roll Eyes

That was from some site, uh, .. Ning, I think. or P2P Foundation. I think that account has since been hacked or deactivated or something.
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I just realized... Last time, when Dorian got "outed", satoshi posted a message someplace saying it wasn't him.... Did he ever do that for CSW? (Not that it matters that much, but was curious).  Roll Eyes
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Did you ask him to sign a message from one of the Satoshi wallets?

I think the demand should be all of Satoshi's addresses, not just one. Given the scenario above we can make it harder for people to steal satoshi's identity...

My personal opinion of the minimum requirements:

1. Sign bitcoin message using key from address in genesis block. Use proper sentence and grammar with today's date and a quote from any news headline from today. (We can fudge a bit and consider it if it's signed within this year I guess.)

2. Sign bitcoin message using key from address in block 170 (this is the block where Satoshi sent coins to Hal Finney.) Note: Sign the message using the address the transaction was sent from, not the coinbase address because it's possible Satoshi did not mine this particular block, just that his transaction is in it.

3. Sign bitcoin message using as many keys from as many addresses within the first 200 blocks, the more the merrier, but I think 10 should suffice. Satoshi himself would have mined at least 10 of the first 200 blocks.

4. Sign PGP/GPG message.

5. Send us all in this thread a bribe: 1 full BTC each is nice.

Then we can start talking.
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Will Bitcoin SV Creator Acquire $8 Billion Bitcoin Fortune? | Interview With Craig Wright
- https://youtu.be/GS8DmU17E14

Q. Why do you commit to being Satoshi Nakamoto? What do you stand to gain?
- https://youtu.be/GS8DmU17E14?t=321

Q. Why do you care when people question your identity as Satoshi Nakamoto?
- https://youtu.be/GS8DmU17E14?t=516

9:09 CSW: "I was not sitting there going hey I'm Satoshi follow me..."

Erm yes you were ...
- https://craigwright.net/blog/math/jean-paul-sartre-signing-and-significance/

Dan Kaminsky's Blog ...
- https://dankaminsky.com/2016/05/02/validating-satoshi-or-not/

Attempting (Failed) Verification of the Wright Signature ...
- https://github.com/patio11/wrightverification

...

9:18 CSW: "Here's the thing, you push me so far and, well I don't run ..."

Interviewer: "You don't run?"

9:28 CSW: "No. I fight and I fight and I fight and then you knock me down and I get up and I fight and you knock me down and then I knee cap you and then you maybe knock me down and then I take out your achilies and gradually I attack the corners and if I have to stab you a billion times before you f*'ng fall over, I win. I win or I die tying ..."

10:48 Interviewer: "To you, is this about winning"

CSW: "Err yes because what we have is we have my original vision for Bitcoin and a bunch of criminals ... that simple ... and I don't like criminals. Sorry ..."

...

- https://www.justice.gov/criminal-fraud/identity-theft/identity-theft-and-identity-fraud ...

"What Are Identity Theft and Identity Fraud?

Identity theft and identity fraud are terms used to refer to all types of crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person's personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain."


...

- https://youtu.be/4MDr8CQDMuY

...

23:05 CSW: "Liberty Reserve was bigger than Bitcoin. Liberty Reserve had more nodes than Bitcoin ..."

Liberty Reserve wasn't even P2P, it didn't technically have nodes, only servers and a web site (much like PayPal), mainly based in Costa Rica.

...

Earlier in the interview CSW talks about other cryptocurrencies before Bitcoin, however Bitcoin was the first named 'cryptocurency' ...

Who coined the word "cryptocurrency" ...
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-coined-the-word-cryptocurrency-5155348

 Roll Eyes
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Bilal Khalid, aka James Caan, Craig Wright, and Jörg Molt all have claimed to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto and have gone through great lengths to try to assume the role of the original Bitcoin founder and creator due to the real Satoshi
Nakamoto being M.I.A since Bitcoins original inception. These guys most certainly all can't be Satoshi Nakamoto so either one of these guys is the real deal holyfield or they all are simply imposters.
   Satoshi Nakamoto went through great lengths to keep his identity pseudonymous and they way he presented and carried himself and his project was in an altruistic manner, so their is no way that these others are Satoshi, because it contradicts Satoshi's whole character. Satoshi hasn't even cashed out his coins yet, why you might ask? Simple, so that his image and vision remains pure.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, chaoscoinz; however, it seems that Satoshi got out of bitcoin in order that the project can go without him, and likely the project is stronger without any leader, and by the time satoshi left the project in late 2010, there were a decent number of smart people working on it, and he had largely been able to tweak the early days of bitcoin and to communicate the fixing of the early bugs and the "trying it out" aspects.  I doubt that Satoshi left in order that "his image and vision remains pure."

Even though there are some people who proclaim to know who satoshi is/was and there are a decent number of people who have theories about who Satoshi is/was... Satoshi does remain a real wonderful demonstration of someone who seems to have been able to successfully use modern internet tools to preserve his actual identity... and if you identity is not known, it likely does not matter whether his image and vision were pure.. because the project now has its own trajectory, and no longer needs satoshi (even if we surely can appreciate his early efforts in what was planted during the nearly two-year period in which he was communicating about the project).

Maybe some day, we might find out who he is/was?  Maybe, perhaps?  Nonetheless, currently bitcoin has a lot of strength and success without any further known and clearly confirmed communications from Satoshi in more than 9 years..
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I don't know I you guys saw this news:

https://decrypt.co/16998/confirmed-craig-wright-doesnt-have-keys-to-8-billion-of-bitcoin
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Craig Wright’s lawyer confirmed to Decrypt today that Wright does not possess—nor even claim to possess—the private keys that can be used to spend $8 billion of Bitcoin that Satoshi Nakamoto mined in Bitcoin’s early days.

That troll is just trying to fool newbies, who doesn't understand how things work: what is a private key, a bitcoin address and so on.

He doesn't even claim to have the keys: because he never had.

However,  he is certainly making a lot of money in thise BSV's  pumps....


"nor even claim to possess"

Does this surprise us at all? of course not.
There will be many [BSV & CSW supporters] who will ignore all the
history which is at odds with this.



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I don't know I you guys saw this news:

https://decrypt.co/16998/confirmed-craig-wright-doesnt-have-keys-to-8-billion-of-bitcoin
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Craig Wright’s lawyer confirmed to Decrypt today that Wright does not possess—nor even claim to possess—the private keys that can be used to spend $8 billion of Bitcoin that Satoshi Nakamoto mined in Bitcoin’s early days.

That troll is just trying to fool newbies, who doesn't understand how things work: what is a private key, a bitcoin address and so on.

He doesn't even claim to have the keys: because he never had.

However,  he is certainly making a lot of money in thise BSV's  pumps....
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hv_’s latest post is hereby quoted fully without edits, and archived before deletion, so that people can see a textbook example of an attempt to divert the conversation by saying a whole lot of nothing—plus shifting of the burden of proof to everybody in the world, i.e. alleging that it is everybody’s responsibility to prove that Craig Wright is Satoshi (!), wrapped in nonsensically misapplied technical jargon “proof of work”:

CSW has shown to lack the class of Satoshi.
This is what a lot of people fail to understand. At this point in time, even if Craig actually had and used the keys, that would be far from any proof that he's Satoshi. To be clear: It has gotten to the point where it is impossible for him to prove that he is Satoshi because of the very same reason that you mentioned.

Nope.

Satoshi delivered way enough

Its up to us to do proof of work and find out.

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KISS

Good idea, KISS:  Keep It Simple, Stupid.  I will take that advice.  Here is my reply to you, hv_:

[...]
Should have asked him to sign a message from a known Satoshi wallet
[...]
Dont need CLUES, just one task, ask him to sign a message from a known Satoshi wallet
[...]
Great, ask him to sign a message from one of the Satoshi wallets
[...]
Did you ask him to sign a message from one of the Satoshi wallets?
[...]
and so on and so on until we get all the way into court and still the question is not being asked....

and the statement isnt being said, "if [Craig Wright] cannot access the wallets . . . sorry for your troubles, come back to us when [he] can"

Till then, on behalf of my esteemed brother /dev/null, I invite you to please enjoy the bitbucket. :-)



Meanwhile, a remark by Thekool1s set me about taking a closer look at some of what Craig Wright says about himself.  I will post on that later.  Spoiler:  He says nothing that makes his claim of Satoshihood in any way credible, but he says plenty that exposes his deeper agenda—a horrid agenda, even worse than greed for all that money he is trying to swindle out of the Bitcoin market.
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Bilal Khalid, aka James Caan, Craig Wright, and Jörg Molt all have claimed to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto and have gone through great lengths to try to assume the role of the original Bitcoin founder and creator due to the real Satoshi
Nakamoto being M.I.A since Bitcoins original inception. These guys most certainly all can't be Satoshi Nakamoto so either one of these guys is the real deal holyfield or they all are simply imposters.
   Satoshi Nakamoto went through great lengths to keep his identity pseudonymous and they way he presented and carried himself and his project was in an altruistic manner, so their is no way that these others are Satoshi, because it contradicts Satoshi's whole character. Satoshi hasn't even cashed out his coins yet, why you might ask? Simple, so that his image and vision remains pure.
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If anyone else had said that, I might give it greater credence.  But when you say it, it sounds like:

"Look for random coincidences that support your pre-existing biases, ignore empirical facts, treat the nonsense spread by all the shills who support CSW as legitimate and trustworthy sources."

Because that's clearly what you're doing.  You are in absolutely no position to lecture us on fake news, given the drivel you freely choose to believe.
 
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