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Topic: Project Anastasia: Bitcoiners Against Identity Theft [re: Craig Wright scam] - page 8. (Read 4450 times)

legendary
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I listend to Fluffy Pony on the Bad Bitcoin podcast a few days ago and he made a good point I had not considered ( foolishly). He’s so deep in to his web of lies, lies that people have put their faith and money in to believing he’s actually Satoshi , that if he finally fessed up he’d lose all that income /potential income and every particle of his reputation.

As I’ve stated before.. it became very obvious to me when he told me he built smart contracts in to the chain from day 1, a direct contradiction to satoshi himself in this thread ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8140)...  Though Satoshi does not mention smart contacts by name., Nick Szabo stated to me that’s exactly what he believes Satoshi ( or maybe himself) was referring to.

Welcome back nullius..good to have a real deal Mr Robot like yourself around teaching idiots like myself Smiley
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
This is an awesome discussion.  There are a few replies I want to make; and I am working on another topic that will be relevant to this one.  Meanwhile, I must address this timely:

hv_, I am deleting some (but not all) of your posts on this topic.

If you want to post a statement that “Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto” cryptographically signed by one of Satoshi’s known keys, then please feel free.  I won’t delete it; indeed, I would be very interested to see that.

If you want to contradict my OP, try intelligently explaining why identity theft isn’t identity theft.  Thus far, your posts have been irrelevant to OP.

If you continue to support identity theft with proof-by-repetition of arrant nonsense that has been exhaustively debunked all over the Internet, then you are not being honest toward Satoshi; and you may thus continue to find that I am in a bad mood, as I warned in OP.

Don’t cry “censorship”.  It’s a big forum.  You can and do promote your agenda here; I can’t stop you from doing that, and I don’t want to, because I want for Craig Wright’s claims to be scrutinized so everybody can see what a liar he is.  I’ve thoughtfully archived your deleted posts so that people can see them, if they really want to.  But this thread was made to discuss an angle that I think nobody thought of before.  It’s a narrow topic.  I watched you post a few times to see if you would say anything interesting, or even relevant.  You didn’t.  At this point, your posts are tantamount to someone walking into a physics conference, and taking the podium to repeat a random list of Flat Earth arguments.

The best of which is this, which I found too funny to delete:

...it's just wishful thinking on their part that they haven't been duped by a con-artist.

I'd agree on the Point of wishful thinking [...]

Proof by wishful thinking.  It’s a winner!

Yes, I, too, wish that the Earth was flat.  —Actually, no, I don’t.

Whyever would you want to discover that Satoshi Nakamoto is really a two-faced sleazy scammer with a bad history who is completely incompetent at cryptography?

If I saw that proved, I wouldn’t reject the proof based on my own wishful thinking.  It also wouldn’t affect my love of Bitcoin:  It is implicit in Bitcoin’s design that Satoshi made it to grow bigger than himself, to grow beyond his control, to be free for everybody.  Bitcoin has done that; and my opinion of Bitcoin itself would not be affected, if it turned out that Satoshi was a disgusting scumbag like Craig Wright.  But I would be disappointed!  I certainly do not wish for such a thing.



I will also leave here some of hv_’s posts that people substantially replied to, if I think that deleting them would make the replies stand unfairly out of context.  I am acting now so that the same reason will not apply to others.



Edit 2020-01-16:  Sent two more of hv_’s irrelevant and/or dishonest and insulting posts to /dev/null.  Archive of second page with both posts.  Time to empty the bitbucket.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
-snip-
You clearly didn't read my previous post (see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53533796), and my position is absolutely not what you are insinuating.

Being able to sign a message is not proof on its own, but is the first step in being able to establish something approaching proof. CSW has failed repeatedly and hilariously to do this, even going so far as trying to fake signatures. All his other "evidence" is obviously false and easily debunked.

Sure, real evidence of someone being Satoshi will be difficult to establish, but it is absolutely, categorically, none of the "evidence" CSW has presented.


Not knowing it better, but knowing what ppl try loudly to get sth from Satoshi - in addition to what he delivered with Bitcoin - not wanting to do any kind of OWN Research = PoW

I can understand that Satoshi would not do the easy peasy proof - not that he owes that by any means


...

...snip...




Image Source: @lopp on twitter

"/Shuz" - *Satire* - SWIM
- https://youtu.be/LPBTaVfsfrQ *NSFW*

Epic fail ...

The Bitcoin affair: Craig Wright promises extraordinary proof
- https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36193006

Gavin Andresen ... CIA Informant ...

Gavin will visit the CIA
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gavin-will-visit-the-cia-6652

Gavin Andresen Now Regrets Role in Satoshi Nakamoto Saga
- https://www.coindesk.com/gavin-andresen-regrets-role-satoshi-nakamoto-saga

Jon Matonis ... was on nChains payrole ... also worked at hushmail ...

nChain Appoints Bitcoin Foundation Executive Jon Matonis As Vice President of Corporate Strategy
- https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2017/05/99637-nchain-appoints-bitcoin-foundation-executive-jon-matonis-vice-president-corporate-strategy/

Hushmail Turns Out To Not Be Quite So Hush Hush
- https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071108/093110.shtml

Hushmail To Warn Users of Law Enforcement Backdoor
- https://www.wired.com/2007/11/hushmail-to-war/

...

Proof-of-beats
Signal - To - Noise Ratio -- Vitalik Mic Drop
- https://soundcloud.com/proofofbeats/signal-to-noise-ratio-vitalik-mic-drop

...

In other news ...

Stormzy visits BBC Breakfast in his slippers
- https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51020104

banksÿÿÿÿ
- https://visitbristol.co.uk/things-to-do/banksy-walking-tour-p1354013

STORMZY - CROWN (OFFICIAL PERFORMANCE VIDEO)
- https://youtu.be/EBwaflYUYrM

*Thumbs Up*

 Cheesy  Cool
legendary
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You clearly didn't read my previous post (see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53533796), and my position is absolutely not what you are insinuating.

Being able to sign a message is not proof on its own, but is the first step in being able to establish something approaching proof. CSW has failed repeatedly and hilariously to do this, even going so far as trying to fake signatures. All his other "evidence" is obviously false and easily debunked.

Sure, real evidence of someone being Satoshi will be difficult to establish, but it is absolutely, categorically, none of the "evidence" CSW has presented.
hv_
legendary
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In fact, there's technically nothing that could ever prove Satoshi's identity. Signing from early addresses or Satoshi's PGP key would only muddy the waters. Private keys can be compromised due to security mistakes or even encryption vulnerabilities.
You are right, but by that logic you can't actually prove anyone is anyone online. I can't prove I'm the same person who made that last post, and theymos can't prove he is the same person who opened his account. If someone showed up with signed messages from Satoshi linked addresses and his PGP key, with detailed knowledge of bitcoin, was able to display knowledge of things like the content of Satoshi's PMs on this forum, was able to convince theymos he was genuine and have his account unlocked, then I suspect the vast majority would see that as sufficient proof. Certainly the media would, and anything he said or did would be reported as "Satoshi says..."

Quite right. Posessing some keys (of a car, house, email account - bitcoin wallet) ,doesn't prove real ownership - not on showing, using, whatever.

Real 'evidence' needs a lot of more - esp in real world, like receipts of registering all the web sites, ppl who have Counter checked the White Paper,... telling things not known before in a decent way.

Evidence is a tricky thing out of the math realm - even for judges  Wink
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Welcome back nullius.

What I find ridiculous about all those fake satoshis is that they never prove to be him
 And it could be so easy.

Satoshi had many known public addresses.  Until someone just sign a message from one of those addresses, I.e. providing a cryptographic proof to be satoshi, they are just fake.

Calling them liars out loud isn't just like "feeding the troll"? I don't get how Craig got so much attention,  he even created the "real bitcoin cash". Lol
The return of nullius gives us another new topic to be known. Thanks to this genius member of this forum because he has lot of knowledge to be shared.

Yeah! Craig Wright is the person who made us laugh. He always want to claim that he is satoshi but he never proved it. A lot of fake satoshi lift up when Bitcoin gets it respect but when it has no value, no one wants to join with it.
legendary
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In fact, there's technically nothing that could ever prove Satoshi's identity. Signing from early addresses or Satoshi's PGP key would only muddy the waters. Private keys can be compromised due to security mistakes or even encryption vulnerabilities.
You are right, but by that logic you can't actually prove anyone is anyone online. I can't prove I'm the same person who made that last post, and theymos can't prove he is the same person who opened his account. If someone showed up with signed messages from Satoshi linked addresses and his PGP key, with detailed knowledge of bitcoin, was able to display knowledge of things like the content of Satoshi's PMs on this forum, was able to convince theymos he was genuine and have his account unlocked, then I suspect the vast majority would see that as sufficient proof. Certainly the media would, and anything he said or did would be reported as "Satoshi says..."
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
CSW is like a lot Professors I ve talked or listened to

He just talks over many heads, so many (have to) conclude he cons

I don't think so - I get a lot of what he talks about

Sorry

Try to listen here

hxxps://micky.com.au/bitcoin-sv-spikes-20-as-hedge-fund-believes-satoshi-story/

BTW - many expect exactly such from a very Genius Satoshi. But now they have issues with the real Person who matches best (imo) ...

Sorry again

Nope. Your apology is not accepted. Craig Wight is a documented fraud, plagiarist and identity thief.

None of what he says goes over our heads. To date he has proven nothing. Nothing.

We are not stopping until BSV is listed where it belongs ...

- https://shitcoingraveyard.com/
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
...snip...

Hahaha. Cool

You actually had wishful thinking that Craig Wright is Satoshi?


I go and connect the dot's - But I admit - I DONT KNOW


I connect the dot's and find Bitcoin SV as the original BitCoin protocol - set in Stone.  Give it a Chance, cause I like BitCoin - as it was built

I do know. Chance is over.

...snip...

Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi.

Look at all this comprehensive research into his lies ...

The #faketoshi fraud timeline ...
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/mylegacykit.html
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/jimmy007forsure.html

Satoshi ...
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/welcome-to-the-new-bitcoin-forum-5

Furthermore, hv_ is a known BitcoinSV 'shill' on this forum who has fantasy views on what Bitcoin is ...

This is his youtube channel. Derp ...
- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzNeSHDotOrskiBhlJokSbA
legendary
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This needs to be highlighted more on the forum,
should we afford CW a special board or section
?


NEVER. He doesn't deserve the space.



He deserves a targeted and focussed highlight of his claims and
his impersonation. A place where all articles can be grouped in one
where we can all be informed and vent our hate at his antics.
legendary
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This needs to be highlighted more on the forum,
should we afford CW a special board or section
?


NEVER. He doesn't deserve the space.


Whoever wrote that is desperately clutching at straws.  There's nothing concrete in any of that and it's just wishful thinking on their part that they haven't been duped by a con-artist.  I'm sorry, but both they and you have been deceived.

I'd agree on the Point of wishful thinking - but that is behind all crpto ( esp see LN ...) , otherwise we'd have global adoption today


Hahaha. Cool

You actually had wishful thinking that Craig Wright is Satoshi?
hv_
legendary
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Whoever wrote that is desperately clutching at straws.  There's nothing concrete in any of that and it's just wishful thinking on their part that they haven't been duped by a con-artist.  I'm sorry, but both they and you have been deceived.

I'd agree on the Point of wishful thinking - but that is behind all crpto ( esp see LN ...) , otherwise we'd have global adoption today
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Until someone can provide some sort of cryptographic evidence (sign from an early address, moving coins, PGP, etc.), then what they say can be rightly ridiculed. If they can provide such evidence, then that doesn't automatically make them Satoshi, but it does warrant further discussion and examination. Signing a message proves ownership; it does not prove identity.

In fact, there's technically nothing that could ever prove Satoshi's identity. Signing from early addresses or Satoshi's PGP key would only muddy the waters. Private keys can be compromised due to security mistakes or even encryption vulnerabilities.

I believe that anybody claiming to be Satoshi ought to be ridiculed and ostracized from the community without question. It's an unprovable claim; believing it requires faith. That's the antithesis of everything Satoshi ever imparted to us, including the Bitcoin software. I'm not going to believe something I cant verify.

Signing is better than not signing. Verifying is better than not verifying.

Multiple Bitcoin address signing (and verification) of early blocks, coupled with account logins (on sourceforge.net , bitcointalk.org , email etc.,) and GPG Key signing, as well as being able to discuss topics on early Bitcoin development and the Bitcoin code with original members of this community would be a good start.

- https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

Code:
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Instead we get continually deflecting responses like this from CSW ...

GQ interview with Craig Wright "F##K OFF!"
- https://youtu.be/7YUTq7_vO3A *NSFW*

 Roll Eyes




Image Source: @lopp on twitter

"/Shuz" - *Satire* - SWIM
- https://youtu.be/LPBTaVfsfrQ *NSFW*
legendary
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STOP SNITCHIN'
Until someone can provide some sort of cryptographic evidence (sign from an early address, moving coins, PGP, etc.), then what they say can be rightly ridiculed. If they can provide such evidence, then that doesn't automatically make them Satoshi, but it does warrant further discussion and examination. Signing a message proves ownership; it does not prove identity.

In fact, there's technically nothing that could ever prove Satoshi's identity. Signing from early addresses or Satoshi's PGP key would only muddy the waters. Private keys can be compromised due to security mistakes or even encryption vulnerabilities.

I believe that anybody claiming to be Satoshi ought to be ridiculed and ostracized from the community without question. It's an unprovable claim; believing it requires faith. That's the antithesis of everything Satoshi ever imparted to us, including the Bitcoin software. I'm not going to believe something I cant verify.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Project Anastasia: Bitcoiners Against Identity Theft

Craig Wright is an identity thief who has taken the name Satoshi Nakamoto - prove me wrong!

My Old Wallet Address: 1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp created 15/02/2010 15:20

Why can't Craig Wright do this?

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066.0

Not Your Private Keys, Not Your Bitcoin.

Don't trust, verify.

Signed by BitcoinFX - bitcointalk.org - January 6th, 2020
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp
G7/SRVNoiHQp0/hWWFBiKACp1OJfvytLudcp855eptMnZyvrGKymAdB98yrrHtV9H+jQvgpcmfcF1011bVUQHRI=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

- https://brainwalletx.github.io/#verify?vrAddr=1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp&vrMsg=Project%20Anastasia%3A%20Bitcoiners%20Against%20Identity%20Theft%0A%0ACraig%20Wright%20is%20an%20identity%20thief%20who%20has%20taken%20the%20name%20Satoshi%20Nakamoto%20-%20prove%20me%20wrong!%0A%0AMy%20Old%20Wallet%20Address%3A%201JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp%20created%2015%2F02%2F2010%2015%3A20%0A%0AWhy%20can't%20Craig%20Wright%20do%20this%3F%20%0A%0AVerifying%20my%20(old)%20zero%20balance%20wallet%20address%20for%20blockchain%20research%20etc.%2C%0A%0A-%20https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D4630066.0%0A%0ANot%20Your%20Private%20Keys%2C%20Not%20Your%20Bitcoin.%0A%0ADon't%20trust%2C%20verify.%0A%0ASigned%20by%20BitcoinFX%20-%20bitcointalk.org%20-%20January%206th%2C%202020&vrSig=G7%2FSRVNoiHQp0%2FhWWFBiKACp1OJfvytLudcp855eptMnZyvrGKymAdB98yrrHtV9H%2BjQvgpcmfcF1011bVUQHRI%3D

- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp

...

Whilst the identity theft of princess Anastasia is an excellent analogy, I have long thought that the 'Tichborne case' also provides a very fitting example to describe the actions of CSW ...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tichborne_case  a.k.a "The Tichborne Claimant"

"... the man who lost himself still walks in history, with no other name than that which the common voice of his day accorded him: the Claimant ..."
legendary
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I'm sure Satoshi could have gone public without becoming a "benevolent dictator", he could even distance himself from Bitcoin development.

No distance would be great enough, I suspect.  Every single word said by a verified and real satoshi about a present-day Bitcoin would be over-analysed to death and people would try to interpret every last syllable a million different ways.  It would just be too disruptive.
legendary
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The reason why this whole mess has started is because journalists didn't care about the consequences of their actions, they wanted to write a story that would generate clicks, so they have brought CSW to the spotlight and they keep doing it to this day. If news sites stopped making articles about this scammer, he'd be forgotten in a year.

in contrast, it would be virtually impossible to impersonate vitalik buterin. the trade-off for ethereum is they forever have a "benevolent dictator". that trade-off isn't worth it IMO.

Why such binary choice? I'm sure Satoshi could have gone public without becoming a "benevolent dictator", he could even distance himself from Bitcoin development.
legendary
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Whoever wrote that is desperately clutching at straws.  There's nothing concrete in any of that and it's just wishful thinking on their part that they haven't been duped by a con-artist.  I'm sorry, but both they and you have been deceived.
hv_
legendary
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legendary
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In Satoshi’s case, I think the proof of his identity would require more evidence:  It would be necessary but not sufficient that he provide a cryptographically signed proof.  It is unlikely, but possible that someone may have stolen Satoshi’s private keys.
This is an important point to be made, and it's a point I've made before.

Until someone can provide some sort of cryptographic evidence (sign from an early address, moving coins, PGP, etc.), then what they say can be rightly ridiculed. If they can provide such evidence, then that doesn't automatically make them Satoshi, but it does warrant further discussion and examination. Signing a message proves ownership; it does not prove identity.

Given CSW's endless list of lies, his repeated scam attempts, all his faked "evidence", his poor technical knowledge regarding bitcoin and cryptography, his complete lack of understanding regarding code he supposedly wrote, even his writing style and general philosophies regarding privacy, even if he did manage to sign a message or similar, I still wouldn't believe he was Satoshi.



In the interest of providing people with talking points, as much as it pains me to link to a BCH subreddit, I'll share this link: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/b479rk/please_excuse_the_craig_wright_spam_but_this_is/ej4oxvj/
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