Topic: Proof that God exists - page 43. (Read 62273 times)

And that's a yes, why? When this child was formed from her mothers womb. Who is bringing this baby? Her mother right? And mother is a human being, and if her mother will not take good care of him disease or malformation will happen.  Or let's say pollution gave disease to a child, who makes pollution? Us human being right?

So when a child dies from a disease or a malformation it's us that kill it?
Excellent logic.

Read Psalm 137:9.  Explain the quote.  Please I like to know under what context it is ok to smash your babies against the rocks.

Read the rest of the Bible.  Please.

God doesn't kill babies, but us human beings. God created us with free will as satan has. Yes we know that babies doesn't sin, but God permits something to happen even if its bad because  worst things might occur.

God doesn't kill babies, but us human beings. God created us with free will as satan has. Yes we know that babies doesn't sin, but God permits something to happen even if its bad because  worst things might occur.

And why can't he just let people alone and die in peace?
Why does he have to kill babies? Because the babies refused to come to him? --'

Yes, there are lot of verses regarding that things but you can also refer to my earlier post as I had explain everything has a reason and God let it happen to us.

God let sorrow,terrible diseases,famine,wars,killings, etc. happen so that people will come to Him because He is the only one that can save us.

And I believe God(God the Father /great I AM /I AM HE)
 (Isaiah 43:10-11 " Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour")

God is Jesus Christ,
He revealed it at John 8:24. He said that
"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

In short, if we don't believe that Jesus Christ is God we will die from our sins. That's why terrible things are happening in many people because they don't come to God. And they're hearts where hard as stone to believe that God is real.

So there is a reason for all the sorrow, terrible diseases and children dying?

For everything that you call perfect, there is an example of something horrible...

Look at all the variety of diseases... HIV, leprosy, Down's syndrome, etc...

What about cancer?  Is that another one of God's lovely gifts to mankind?

For every flower, there is a thorn or poison ivy... for every cute puppy, there is a crocodile... you can't cherry pick your perfect world... it's far from perfect

My favorite are the mosquitoes... God must have been in a sour mood when he created the mosquito, right?

There was a time that the devil, Satan, was a good angel. In fact, he was one of the best. He walked with God. He was trained in much of the knowledge of God. He was God's friend.

Then Satan corrupted his ways, turned against God, and introduced problems into the world and universe. The problems he introduced should have been enough to destroy the universe. Personally, I think that he was surprised that the universe wasn't destroyed. He had enlisted mankind in this destruction activity, through deception.

Jesus, God's Son, upheld the universe. Jesus gave mankind a second chance. The way Jesus did this was to allow some of Satan's destruction changes to remain. The changes have been converted into good things, that operate well, as bitgolden suggests. But why didn't Jesus completely change things so that there weren't even the least bits of Satan's destruction left?

The reason is that God is creating a New Universe that is far better than this one. This universe will be destroyed - partially a gift to Satan, because this is what Satan wanted in the first place.

The time of life that we have here is a time of salvation for us. It is a time that we have been given to make a choice - will we be on God's side and join Him in the New Universe? or will we go down with Satan at the time of destruction of this universe.

The time of judgement is near. Even if God allows the universe to go on for another 10,000 years, the time of judgement for each of us is near. When is that time of judgement? It is when we die. Why? Because at that time we no longer have any way to change our minds about salvation. We are locked into the things that we believe and understand at the time we die. We are locked into our rejection or acceptance of God, and His method of salvation for us at that time.

Personally, I would rather accept God's salvation for me... salvation into a new universe that is better than this one.

I don't generally like the idea that I am going to say now, but it is a reasonably logical idea anyway. This idea is that even if I thought in the direction that God and religion were silly, I would do my best to become a Christian, anyway. Why? Because nobody knows that God does NOT exist. And if He does exist after all, I would NOT want to miss out on salvation. Besides, Christians have a great life these days, even if somehow God did not exist, and even if the grave happened to be final. So, why not attempt to turn and believe in God, just to cover your bet, so to speak.

No, you misread: A theist will commit murder if her god has told her to.

Why would a theist commit mass murder if he had told his god to do it?    

You are very smart. You have a lot of work to do hedging your bet in all the different ways you can think of. I suppose you might go nuts if you tried to hedge your bet all those ways. Maybe you should simply go out and kill yourself with pleasure... "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die."

I don't have a proof that god exists, but I certainly hope He does! I'd prefer to think that theists commit mass murder because their gods tell them to, rather than the alternative.

What you're talking about is a well know logical fallacy called the Pascal's bet. It was explained by Blaise Pascal, a French philosopher and scientist.
It is wrong in numerous way. First one is: what if God is not the good one? You talk about Jesus and shit but for Muslims if you follow Christian God you're also going to hell. So which God is the good one?

ahahah xD

Ok so he said we had to be poor to go to heaven but if we're not but  accept Jesus it works that's it?

I don't generally like the idea that I am going to say now, but it is a reasonably logical idea anyway. This idea is that even if I thought in the direction that God and religion were silly, I would do my best to become a Christian, anyway. Why? Because nobody knows that God does NOT exist. And if He does exist after all, I would NOT want to miss out on salvation. Besides, Christians have a great life these days, even if somehow God did not exist, and even if the grave happened to be final. So, why not attempt to turn and believe in God, just to cover your bet, so to speak.