Topic: Proof that God exists - page 44. (Read 62290 times)

ahahah xD

Ok so he said we had to be poor to go to heaven but if we're not but  accept Jesus it works that's it?

You are finally getting it.

It is not possible for anything that you or I can do. But nothing is impossible for God to do. That's part of the reason that Jesus had to be God as well as man. It was man who sinned, so it was man who had to pay. But man couldn't pay enough (go through the eye of a needle, so to speak). That's why Jesus is God as well, so that the payment could be enough.

Jesus being man, could do nothing other than to offer the work of salvation he did to other people. If He didn't, He would not be fulfilling the law of love that is a requirement. But, Jesus does not force salvation on anyone. That would not be according to the law of love, either.

You get your choice. Accept the thing that is impossible for you but is not impossible for God. Accept it as it is, the free gift from Jesus. Or die the eternal death. Your choice.

Dude "easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God"
It means it's not possible for a rich to go to heaven, it's not "difficult" it's not possible!

Through greater difficulty, that's all. Why do you act so dense? Oh, I know. You think that you can't be saved, because you are unwilling to get laughed by all you atheist friends who would think you were nuts if you became a Christian.

Forget your friends. Missing out on eternal life isn't worth having those kinds of friends for a piddly 60 or 80 years here. You're smarter than that.

Actually, there are many rich Christians who give to help the poor, just like there are many rich atheists who give to help the poor. Wealth itself, and the using of it doesn't have anything with getting to Heaven. Faith in Jesus salvation is the only way for salvation.

But how will you go to heaven if you're rich?
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God" Matthew 19:24

There was a time that the devil, Satan, was a good angel. In fact, he was one of the best. He walked with God. He was trained in much of the knowledge of God. He was God's friend.

Then Satan corrupted his ways, turned against God, and introduced problems into the world and universe. The problems he introduced should have been enough to destroy the universe. Personally, I think that he was surprised that the universe wasn't destroyed. He had enlisted mankind in this destruction activity, through deception.

Jesus, God's Son, upheld the universe. Jesus gave mankind a second chance. The way Jesus did this was to allow some of Satan's destruction changes to remain. The changes have been converted into good things, that operate well, as bitgolden suggests. But why didn't Jesus completely change things so that there weren't even the least bits of Satan's destruction left?

The reason is that God is creating a New Universe that is far better than this one. This universe will be destroyed - partially a gift to Satan, because this is what Satan wanted in the first place.

The time of life that we have here is a time of salvation for us. It is a time that we have been given to make a choice - will we be on God's side and join Him in the New Universe? or will we go down with Satan at the time of destruction of this universe.

The time of judgement is near. Even if God allows the universe to go on for another 10,000 years, the time of judgement for each of us is near. When is that time of judgement? It is when we die. Why? Because at that time we no longer have any way to change our minds about salvation. We are locked into the things that we believe and understand at the time we die. We are locked into our rejection or acceptance of God, and His method of salvation for us at that time.

Personally, I would rather accept God's salvation for me... salvation into a new universe that is better than this one.

I don't generally like the idea that I am going to say now, but it is a reasonably logical idea anyway. This idea is that even if I thought in the direction that God and religion were silly, I would do my best to become a Christian, anyway. Why? Because nobody knows that God does NOT exist. And if He does exist after all, I would NOT want to miss out on salvation. Besides, Christians have a great life these days, even if somehow God did not exist, and even if the grave happened to be final. So, why not attempt to turn and believe in God, just to cover your bet, so to speak.

For everything that you call perfect, there is an example of something horrible...

Look at all the variety of diseases... HIV, leprosy, Down's syndrome, etc...

What about cancer?  Is that another one of God's lovely gifts to mankind?

For every flower, there is a thorn or poison ivy... for every cute puppy, there is a crocodile... you can't cherry pick your perfect world... it's far from perfect

My favorite are the mosquitoes... God must have been in a sour mood when he created the mosquito, right?

After all, look around you, that red rose spewing out perfume, isn't it perfect? how crops grow perfectly, when rain falls, the sun shines, rivers flowing endlessly, surely a human can not have created it. Only God can.

I know you are very sincere about what you believe.  I do understand it.  I was in your shoes.  It is your choice to stay ignorant of facts, and continue on your path to insanity.  

You have brain, use it.

Let me ask you this: do you believe in global flood and Noah's ark as described in the Bible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc

Best regards.

I came here in peace guys because of the topic "Proof that God exists" and I want to prove it to you but it seems all of you were contradicting to my belief and testimony but I respect all of you my beloved friends and thank you for sharing all your thoughts,opinions and knowledge.

I will still follow this thread but if you want to know more about how God is good to us and to my beloved brethren you can just leave me a message to share it to you guys.

Peace be with you I love you all in the name of the Lord.

First off, the "bible" wasn't even compiled until 331 AD when a bunch of dudes voted on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

It is most definitely not historically accurate...
Many dates are off by a factor of 30-100 years (the reign of certain kings for example)...
If you compare the gospels, you will find Jesus appears in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day without any mention of teleporting himself and his 12 disciples
The list of historical inaccuracies is quite long...

There is literally zero non-biblical evidence that Jesus ever existed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory
Feel free to check out Dr. Richard Carrier's book, On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt

There are also many unknowns about the bible... like who wrote which books, and when...

The earliest gospel (Luke) was supposedly written 40 years after Jesus died.  Given that would put the author at more than double the life expectancy, it's likely not an eye-witness account... Even if it was, how well do you remember events from 40 years ago?

The gospels written after Luke almost certainly copied vast sections

Even the books attributed to Moses are up for debate... some contend there are four or more authors of the Pentateuch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

Not really.  Not sure which historians you are referring to.  Very few have actually studied this myth.  Listen to Richard Carrier who is an expert on ancient history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3jvINxIcwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U

Here are few starting points to explore:

The Root of All Evil - The God Delusion
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nAos1M-_Ts

The God - Jesus Who Wasn't There
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIzlklisBqw

BBC documentary on religious faith or lack of
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2J232lPZno

He did exist 2,000 years ago. The bible is also about the history and many historians compared it and there are accurate scriptures / happenings that did happen in the past. Like the babylonia, Egypt and even Israel. And I think you know it.

ARE YOU OFF YOUR   BONSKI

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

KINGDOM OF GOD. Is that not heaven.So Matthew wants me to kill myself..
But nice to here you turned your life around keep up the good work

Believe me its not god its all your hard work so give yourself a pat on the back for changing your ways
you deserve it..And good luck for the future..
Just remember this all the praying in the world wont help you only you can help yourself.

If your young you can be who ever you want to be if you put your mind to it.

Peace be upon you.

Read the Bible again.  Bible is the basis of your belief system.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crazy-shit-bible-says-crazy-shit-christians-say-1367154

You can achieve peace of mind, happiness with a bit of meditation.  If you managed to convince yourself that Jesus Christ is real, that is fine.  But it does not make it true, outside your brain.  He does not exist in real world.  Period.

If you care about whether your belief is based on truth you should investigate if it is.  But if you don't care if it is true, go ahead believe what you believe.  Just don't preach your insanity to children.

Take care.  I mean it.

The bible says God can make you rich as long as you will follow Him and serve Him with all your heart,mind,strength and soul. He can make you prosperous.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Proverbs 10:22
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.


I'm a Christian and I'm not that rich but I'm rich in the love of Dearest Jesus Christ. He changed my life from being a bad person, troublemaker,liar and everything that are not good in the sight of our Dearest Lord. I've done it. But now I want you to know that God exist! He is alive. If you have faith then He will make miracles in your life that you won't know that it is possible with Him.

I don't want to argue or debate with you guys I'm just sharing how God is so good to me.

I love you all in the Lord but Dearest Jesus loves you all more and more.

You've understood perfectly! Finally - brothers and sisters we have another atheist brother in our midst!

Damn man you killed me xD
That's one hell of an argument! "but in order to become nice I first need to be evil no?" xD

Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, defending their private jets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdH2DGSXjss

Rich Preachers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbu1Joz924o

I get the impression that many preachers have not even read the bible...