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legendary
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February 16, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Let me tell you what's common sense: no one has heard or seen God. No one has any tangible proof. Until that's happens we'll stick to the things that are real around us. Sure, stories are nice, but for kids, to help them sleep.

No one who is mentally and spiritually blind has seen God. But many of us see Him through the goodness He does for all of us, even for the mentally blind people.

Smiley
legendary
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February 16, 2016, 02:30:58 PM
Humans have advanced through the many years, landed on the moon, made test-tube babies, carried out heart transplants, things that wouldn't be even dreamed of in the past, yet they are limited, no scientist today has justified the existence of man and how the planet/earth has come into existence. It means God only created Earth and then human.

Not only this but, humans have declined in humanitarian qualities. How do we know? The way that many of the advancements have been made is to steal other peoples' prosperity by stealing their property through taxation and other methods... methods used to do stupid things like landing on the moon, making test-tube babies, carrying out heart transplants when it would be a whole lot more beneficial to heal the heart, and a whole lot of other stupid things that wouldn't have been dreamed of in the past.

Meanwhile, the people who have had their property stolen, live in tent cities and poverty, and their plight is barely reported on by the media.

The so-called advancement of mankind is disgusting when you look at the destruction some people do to other people just to advance themselves.

 Angry
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February 16, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Let me tell you what's common sense: no one has heard or seen God. No one has any tangible proof. Until that's happens we'll stick to the things that are real around us. Sure, stories are nice, but for kids, to help them sleep.
legendary
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February 16, 2016, 02:22:23 PM
Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Actually, this is not common sense...

Who says everything requires a creator?  Where is your evidence of such?

Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex... God had nothing to do with it... He mostly didn't even watch them having sex... mostly...

"Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex..." parents who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... etc., etc. ... all the way back to when?

Oh yes. It's called cause and effect. All the way back to the time that God made the first two parents.

We see nothing other than this. We might guess that something called evolution made life out of the inanimate. We might have a few indicators that can be stretched to be interpreted as something called evolution making life out of the inanimate. But the thing that we ABSOLUTELY DO SEE is cause and effect all the way back to the Great First Cause.

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February 16, 2016, 02:15:33 PM
Humans have advanced through the many years, landed on the moon, made test-tube babies, carried out heart transplants, things that wouldn't be even dreamed of in the past, yet they are limited, no scientist today has justified the existence of man and how the planet/earth has come into existence. It means God only created Earth and then human.
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February 16, 2016, 02:00:19 PM
Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Actually, this is not common sense...

Who says everything requires a creator?  Where is your evidence of such?

Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex... God had nothing to do with it... He mostly didn't even watch them having sex... mostly...
legendary
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February 16, 2016, 01:52:12 PM
Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.
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February 16, 2016, 01:47:36 PM
Oh, I just hope to live long enough for science to prove you all wrong and then kick you in the nuts. Cause It's full of nuts here.

Anyone who thinks Wikipedia and 99% of the internet is a giant conspiracy against religion... is a nut...

Anyone who believes those crazy religious propaganda/pseudoscience videos that BADecker linked... is a fool...

Anyone who thinks science has proven God exists... is a nut...

Anyone who believes religion has proven God exists... is a fool...

Anyone who ignores scientific evidence, via experimentation, physically verifiable results, peer review, predictive qualities of theories, etc... in lieu of testimony based religious propaganda... is a tool...

Anyone who intentionally perverts the definition of the words: law, theory, hypothesis, proof, evidence, and fact... is a liar, con-artist, and a tool

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February 16, 2016, 01:40:44 PM
Oh, I just hope to live long enough for science to prove you all wrong and then kick you in the nuts. Cause It's full of nuts here.
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February 16, 2016, 01:05:02 PM
When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure but If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

i dont agree with you.. we cant know whether the so called god exist or not.. there will never be any proof of that controversial topic..
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February 16, 2016, 01:03:51 PM
As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use, it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all its attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

God created whole universe, including all natural laws, science etc.
So, can created beings prove their creator?
Can we know or prove what existed before creation of Universe?
I don't think so.


Of course we can't that would be a complete nonsense!
legendary
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February 16, 2016, 12:44:33 PM
As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use, it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all its attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

God created whole universe, including all natural laws, science etc.
So, can created beings prove their creator?
Can we know or prove what existed before creation of Universe?
I don't think so.
hero member
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February 16, 2016, 09:14:52 AM
As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all it's attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

I think BADecker is stuck in an infinite loop. He needs to be rebooted and shipped to Topeka, KS.

BADecker, I think you should join Westboro church, you'll feel at home there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeqYm9DvCDo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBA6qlHW8po

Finding other apes that share your delusion might be very helpful.

Yeah well that's because he's indeed totally stucked xD

He keeps repeating the same things!
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February 16, 2016, 08:23:38 AM
As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all it's attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

He can't cause he doesn't really understand what he's talking about ^^
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February 16, 2016, 08:19:35 AM
As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use, it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all its attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.
legendary
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February 16, 2016, 07:51:38 AM
So I came across this passage, and I was wondering if BADecker could interpret...


Quote from: Acts 16:29-31
29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas.
30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Is this saying that if I believe in Jesus, my entire family is saved?

I recall other parts of the bible stating that salvation was a personal matter, and that my personal faith could not save my family, only they can save themselves?

Seems like a contradiction here... and being that salvation through Jesus is the core of Christianity, you'd think they would be consistent throughout the bible, right?

As long as you are searching for contradictions, you will never see much of anything else in anything.

Translation:
Fuck if I know

Well, obviously you don't know. If you had, you wouldn't have consulted me, who you have shown over and over that you don't believe anyway. This also shows your inability to rationally calculate much of anything.


First off, I am not consulting you, I am interrogating you

Chuckle. So you think that you are interrogating me. Chuckle.    Cool

Now that you mention it, ridicule might be a better word...

I can't be interrogating you since you have no information worth hearing

Why, Moloch. Thank you for the attempted ridicule. It only helps to boost my accuracy, since you have shown that you don't have anything to base your ridicule of me on.

Excepting that nearly every post I make links to sources and evidence proving you wrong...

I don't recall you ever posting a source or evidence, you simply repeat your own failed hypothesis

Much of what you say is inconsequential. Why would I want to get in the way of your silly beliefs?

The important things, like proving that God exists, are things that are self-evident to anybody who searches for the references using the things that I say. The only people that they are not self-evident to are people who are not very good thinkers, or those who don't want to see and don't look.

Cool

So what you're saying is that people who don't "find" God are stupid? That's a new low, even for you.

Haven't you found God? No? Well, then I would have to agree with what you say about yourself.

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February 16, 2016, 07:43:08 AM
So I came across this passage, and I was wondering if BADecker could interpret...


Quote from: Acts 16:29-31
29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas.
30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Is this saying that if I believe in Jesus, my entire family is saved?

I recall other parts of the bible stating that salvation was a personal matter, and that my personal faith could not save my family, only they can save themselves?

Seems like a contradiction here... and being that salvation through Jesus is the core of Christianity, you'd think they would be consistent throughout the bible, right?

As long as you are searching for contradictions, you will never see much of anything else in anything.

Translation:
Fuck if I know

Well, obviously you don't know. If you had, you wouldn't have consulted me, who you have shown over and over that you don't believe anyway. This also shows your inability to rationally calculate much of anything.


First off, I am not consulting you, I am interrogating you

Chuckle. So you think that you are interrogating me. Chuckle.    Cool

Now that you mention it, ridicule might be a better word...

I can't be interrogating you since you have no information worth hearing

Why, Moloch. Thank you for the attempted ridicule. It only helps to boost my accuracy, since you have shown that you don't have anything to base your ridicule of me on.

Excepting that nearly every post I make links to sources and evidence proving you wrong...

I don't recall you ever posting a source or evidence, you simply repeat your own failed hypothesis

Much of what you say is inconsequential. Why would I want to get in the way of your silly beliefs?

The important things, like proving that God exists, are things that are self-evident to anybody who searches for the references using the things that I say. The only people that they are not self-evident to are people who are not very good thinkers, or those who don't want to see and don't look.

Cool

So what you're saying is that people who don't "find" God are stupid? That's a new low, even for you.
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February 16, 2016, 07:42:02 AM
The moment people clearly and logically argue that you're wrong you start insulting them. That's not nice mr. christian dude.

Now you are calling af_newbie a Christian. Don't yo think that he might be insulted by that?

Cool

I was talking about you, not him. Didn't want to quote again. Either way you'll understand what you want.

Yabut, it's fun watching you squirm a little bit.    Grin

How about we all just ignore you from this moment on? It's just a question. Not sure what to do since you're so funny.
I mean we can talk, ok. Just keep it civilized.
Alrighty then.

I agree. Keep on with what you are doing. Something I might say just might get across to you and help you to be saved after all.

Cool

And again, just like Jehova's Witnesses you want to "help" me. Did I ask for your help? Do I look helpless? Are we family? No.
You want to help me? Buy a bread for me each day, everyday. It will show more than anything you could say here.
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February 16, 2016, 07:39:53 AM
So I should either walk to work or move with a tent inside the company's yard and be evolved by doing this, of course?

You ask me this? Shouldn't you evaluate this on your own, according to the things that you desire, and at least consult the company about if they will let you do this?

Besides, if you do, do something like this, it will not make you less devolved. It might only indicate that you are way more devolved than anybody had thought.

Cool

Still, you haven't answered my question. Will I be more evolved if I stop using my car or not? Enlighten me, oh great one, how to be more evolved, just like the cave people?

The guy does not have any proofs.  His knowledge of science and bible is very superficial.  He represents an average Christian.

He just talked himself into believing in "Lord Jesus Christ", whatever that means.  It was probably inspired by church ceremonies, cool paintings in the church etc.
Music, beautiful paintings, some nice passages in the Bible gave him enough to create this hallucination.

I'm sure he feels and sees Jesus in everything.  The nonsense he is spouting is a combination of his own imagination and what he heard from other people in his church.
When confronted on his bullshit, he refuses to debate, diverts attention to some minor detail in Bible or science and asserts he is right and everybody is wrong.




Don't get me wrong. I'd love for God to be real. To know after death we won't turn to dust. To see loved lost ones again. it would be wonderful. I would be the greatest believer. But I'm afraid it's just not true.

Since the resurrection hasn't happened yet, and since it is built only on a promise, isn't it logical to at least force yourself to believe it in some way? I mean, since you would like it if it were true, what do you have to lose? You can still go on living almost as enjoyably as you do now, and possibly more enjoyably. Why not force yourself to believe?

Cool

Because it is an insult to my intellect. Just like Santa. At least "he" brings presents.

If you think that being insulted is more important than the possibility of being saved, you have already insulted your intellect way more than you could do by attempting to believe something that you think is nonsense... especially when there is no way that you can prove it is nonsense.

Smiley

You did see me say insults my intellect, did you not? What that means is that it's not only unbearable but also demeaning. I won't be making things that make me feel stupid. It's self respect.
legendary
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February 16, 2016, 07:07:39 AM
I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us, rather than continuing to say that you have debunked the proof that God exists found in combining the 3 scientific laws, when you really haven't debunked anything?:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal complexity.

Cool

I feel like it's already the 4th time I ask this but...

Why do you believe those 3 laws are proven? Where is your proof of those 3 laws?

They are proven in the fact that they are in evidence everywhere, without any known contradictions to them. That's why you find men of science calling them laws rather than theories or hypotheses.

Cool

Wrong. You know you denied quantum physics as a law? Well if quantum physics is not a law, then the cause and effect isn't true as simple as that. We discovered phenomenon where consequence happens before the cause. Unless quantum physics is true. Your choice buddy, but both can't be true.

I did not deny QP as law. After all, it exists, doesn't it?

All I am saying about QP is, any results that it provides are completely guesswork as to whether or not the results are law... until the results are proven through some scientific method other than QP.

Cool
So QP is a law but the results of this law are not correct?  Huh
What kind of law is that?

QP is law just like probability is law. They both exist don't they? If they didn't exist, they certainly would not be law. If we didn't know for sure that they existed, they might not be law, or they might. We know that QP exists. We use it all the time these days. QP is law.

QP doesn't provide facts when it is used. It can't be used to provide anything factual. This is not its purpose.

The purpose of QP is to find things that are possibilities. It does this through probability methods. Properly used it can find ways to determine anything to be a possibility. It can be used to show how contradictory things might be possible at the same time.

The things that QP show as possibilities must be proven some other way to determine if they are real, fact or law... because QP can only be used to show possibilities and probabilities.

Cool
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