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I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us, rather than continuing to say that you have debunked the proof that God exists found in combining the 3 scientific laws, when you really haven't debunked anything?:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal complexity.

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I feel like it's already the 4th time I ask this but...

Why do you believe those 3 laws are proven? Where is your proof of those 3 laws?

They are proven in the fact that they are in evidence everywhere, without any known contradictions to them. That's why you find men of science calling them laws rather than theories or hypotheses.

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Wrong. You know you denied quantum physics as a law? Well if quantum physics is not a law, then the cause and effect isn't true as simple as that. We discovered phenomenon where consequence happens before the cause. Unless quantum physics is true. Your choice buddy, but both can't be true.

I did not deny QP as law. After all, it exists, doesn't it?

All I am saying about QP is, any results that it provides are completely guesswork as to whether or not the results are law... until the results are proven through some scientific method other than QP.

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So QP is a law but the results of this law are not correct? Huh

What kind of law is that?

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I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us, rather than continuing to say that you have debunked the proof that God exists found in combining the 3 scientific laws, when you really haven't debunked anything?:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal complexity.

Cool

I feel like it's already the 4th time I ask this but...

Why do you believe those 3 laws are proven? Where is your proof of those 3 laws?

They are proven in the fact that they are in evidence everywhere, without any known contradictions to them. That's why you find men of science calling them laws rather than theories or hypotheses.

Cool

Wrong. You know you denied quantum physics as a law? Well if quantum physics is not a law, then the cause and effect isn't true as simple as that. We discovered phenomenon where consequence happens before the cause. Unless quantum physics is true. Your choice buddy, but both can't be true.

I did not deny QP as law. After all, it exists, doesn't it?

All I am saying about QP is, any results that it provides are completely guesswork as to whether or not the results are law... until the results are proven through some scientific method other than QP.

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Quote from: xht on February 16, 2016, 05:30:03 AM

yes god exist and there are profs like who created nature who did the big bang who created you and when bad things happens to you doesn't mean he hates you everything happens has its own reason.

Then who created God?

Creating is a thing that happened to this universe. God is outside this universe.

IF something created God, we could not recognize that type of creating as creating, simply because it is extremely outside of our thinking. The closest we can come to understanding God's existence is to say that He always existed.

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So can't we say that BigBang was created by something outside the universe without it being God? Why should we admit that God can have always existed and then decided to create something, but not that the BigBang is something that was outside the universe and suddenly created something?

First, people can and do say many things. The big bang is not law, it is guesswork.

There are many untold things that might have happened in the universe that could make big bang to be non-existent. The universe is open to all kinds of ideas that might be developed to contradict big bang, if people were interested in developing them.

Black hole theory doesn't match big bang theory in any ways that would allow the two to fit together in the same universe. Watch some of the Stephen Crothers videos on Youtube to see this.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 06:26:55 AM

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I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us, rather than continuing to say that you have debunked the proof that God exists found in combining the 3 scientific laws, when you really haven't debunked anything?:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal complexity.

Cool

I feel like it's already the 4th time I ask this but...

Why do you believe those 3 laws are proven? Where is your proof of those 3 laws?

They are proven in the fact that they are in evidence everywhere, without any known contradictions to them. That's why you find men of science calling them laws rather than theories or hypotheses.

Cool

Wrong. You know you denied quantum physics as a law? Well if quantum physics is not a law, then the cause and effect isn't true as simple as that. We discovered phenomenon where consequence happens before the cause. Unless quantum physics is true. Your choice buddy, but both can't be true.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 06:24:33 AM

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Quote from: xht on February 16, 2016, 05:30:03 AM

yes god exist and there are profs like who created nature who did the big bang who created you and when bad things happens to you doesn't mean he hates you everything happens has its own reason.

Then who created God?

Creating is a thing that happened to this universe. God is outside this universe.

IF something created God, we could not recognize that type of creating as creating, simply because it is extremely outside of our thinking. The closest we can come to understanding God's existence is to say that He always existed.

Cool

So can't we say that BigBang was created by something outside the universe without it being God? Why should we admit that God can have always existed and then decided to create something, but not that the BigBang is something that was outside the universe and suddenly created something?

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Quote from: BADecker on February 15, 2016, 02:23:56 PM

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The important things, like proving that God exists, are things that are self-evident to anybody who searches for the references using the things that I say. The only people that they are not self-evident to are people who are not very good thinkers, or those who don't want to see and don't look.

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Or it is self-evident only to already deluded people.

No, God is evident to all people. However, some of the more educated people have deluded and brainwashed themselves so that they barely recognize God anymore.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us, rather than continuing to say that you have debunked the proof that God exists found in combining the 3 scientific laws, when you really haven't debunked anything?:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal complexity.

Cool

I feel like it's already the 4th time I ask this but...

Why do you believe those 3 laws are proven? Where is your proof of those 3 laws?

They are proven in the fact that they are in evidence everywhere, without any known contradictions to them. That's why you find men of science calling them laws rather than theories or hypotheses.

Cool

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Quote from: mainpmf on February 16, 2016, 06:16:30 AM

Quote from: xht on February 16, 2016, 05:30:03 AM

yes god exist and there are profs like who created nature who did the big bang who created you and when bad things happens to you doesn't mean he hates you everything happens has its own reason.

Then who created God?

Creating is a thing that happened to this universe. God is outside this universe.

IF something created God, we could not recognize that type of creating as creating, simply because it is extremely outside of our thinking. The closest we can come to understanding God's existence is to say that He always existed.

Cool

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Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:51:32 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:35:43 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:09:02 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us... (useless comment clipped)

Because you continue to fail at providing evidence/proof which meets the standards of science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frye_standard

Linking to Christian propaganda videos does not help your case... those sources you linked are the very definition of pseudoscience... I refuted the first 60 seconds, and there was no point watching further since it was obviously deliberate misinformation...

I also asked you to queue up the math portion so I could refute that separately... Why have you refused to do this?

You say that you could refute something, but you haven't. That's okay, of course. So, what does that have to do with focusing on us rather than focusing on the fact that the existence of God has been scientifically proven?

I suppose I'll repost this since you seem to have forgotten already

Quote from: Moloch on February 15, 2016, 03:27:18 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 15, 2016, 03:15:27 PM

When you watch, for example, the Youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc, you find that Big Bang and Black Hole theory contradict themselves and each other. Since they contradict, they are nonsense.

Sorry, I tried to watch the 2 hour video you linked, but after 60 seconds I had to stop... The guy claimed that we have never witnessed the event horizon of a black hole, which is simply untrue... If his initial premise is a lie, his entire argument fails

We have observed black holes via telescope and we can see the event horizon. We can also see the predicted gravitational lensing of stars behind the black hole, which shows the theory has accurate predictive qualities (required to be considered a theory)
http://www.space.com/31548-event-horizon-telescope-black-hole-photos.html

He then goes on to claim that according to black hole theory, all matter should be inside the black hole, and that there cannot be more than 1 black hole
It's a shame we just built a brand new telescope to study black holes since there is only 1 of them, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_massive_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quasars

Guy does not have a clue...

You keep making the claim that there is scientific proof that God exists, yet you fail to provide this proof every time you are asked for it

You do not even understand the rigorous requirements for your evidence to be accepted by the scientific community

If you ever provide actual scientific evidence, or provide a link to a source for such evidence, I will gladly look at it and refute it...

But, if the best you have is propaganda/lies, you have nothing with substance worthy of debate

There you go, listing a batch of Wikipedia posted propaganda again.

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:51:32 AM

Why not google some of the "facts" in his video? Don't take my word for it... do some research... consult google... google will enlighten you to exactly how wrong this guy is... I found 3 blatant lies in the first 60 seconds...

Since you can't even understand that scientific theory is not fact, why Google anything? The theory/fact lies have been around long enough, and have embedded themselves deeply enough, that Google might say just about anything regarding this.

The first 60 seconds of the video are so brief that the things said can be interpreted in many ways. You can probably find ways of interpreting them that are not truth. That's you, not the video. Why? Because the things said can be interpreted in ways that show that they are truth, as well.

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:51:32 AM

Also note, and this is very important!!!
Pay attention to his speech patterns... you will notice that he is talking as if to a child... exactly the same tone that many religious preachers use... exactly the same tone that many con-artists use... it is the way people unconsciously talk when they know they are feeding you bullshit, and hope you are not smart enough to call shenanigans

Fortunately, the clarifications that he made, point out things that we all should have thought of long ago. Silly us. We wanted to believe in scientific theories. Now he shows us how some of the greatest science theories are completely false and misleading.

Actually, I have wondered for a long time if Hawking is actually doing his own thinking, or if he is being fed some political garbage that he spits out to us in the form of theories. The clarification that not only I recognize the nonsense in some of the things that Hawking says, makes me question his sanity a whole lot more... especially in the light of his needing to eat, as well as desiring recognition.

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Quote from: xht on February 16, 2016, 05:30:03 AM

yes god exist and there are profs like who created nature who did the big bang who created you and when bad things happens to you doesn't mean he hates you everything happens has its own reason.

Then who created God?

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Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:35:43 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:09:02 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us, rather than continuing to say that you have debunked the proof that God exists found in combining the 3 scientific laws, when you really haven't debunked anything?:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal complexity.

Cool

I feel like it's already the 4th time I ask this but...

Why do you believe those 3 laws are proven? Where is your proof of those 3 laws?

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Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:38:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:35:43 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:09:02 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us... (useless comment clipped)

Because you continue to fail at providing evidence/proof which meets the standards of science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frye_standard

Now what does your failing to provide evidence/proof, or your linking to a propaganda Wikipedia article have to do with focusing on us rather than rebutting the scientific proof that God exists?

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:38:51 AM

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence — Marcello Truzzi

That's exactly the reason why big bang and black hole theory is nonsense. The evidence for their existence is so extraordinary that it is entirely contradictory and nonsense.

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:38:51 AM

Linking to Christian propaganda videos does not help your case... those sources you linked are the very definition of pseudoscience... I refuted the first 60 seconds, and there was no point watching further since it was obviously deliberate misinformation...

That's why I haven't done this. Yet you continue to link to religious articles in Wikipedia, and believe unproven scientific theories, showing that you are deeply into religion.

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:38:51 AM

I also asked you to queue up the math portion (which you claim proves something) so I could refute that separately... Why have you refused to do this?

For the same reason that you haven't watched the video.

However, the math is so simple, that even you, a math major or whatever, could figure it out from the words.

Three different big bang theories, plus 4 black hole theories that could only exist in different universes than the big bang theories express, plus the fact that not all the black holes could exists simultaneously in the same universe, equals big bang/black hole nonsense. If the nonsense is believed, the believer has a false religion going for himself.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:47:00 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:38:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:35:43 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:09:02 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us... (useless comment clipped)

Because you continue to fail at providing evidence/proof which meets the standards of science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frye_standard

Linking to Christian propaganda videos does not help your case... those sources you linked are the very definition of pseudoscience... I refuted the first 60 seconds, and there was no point watching further since it was obviously deliberate misinformation...

I also asked you to queue up the math portion so I could refute that separately... Why have you refused to do this?

You say that you could refute something, but you haven't. That's okay, of course. So, what does that have to do with focusing on us rather than focusing on the fact that the existence of God has been scientifically proven?

I suppose I'll repost this since you seem to have forgotten already

Quote from: Moloch on February 15, 2016, 03:27:18 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 15, 2016, 03:15:27 PM

When you watch, for example, the Youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc, you find that Big Bang and Black Hole theory contradict themselves and each other. Since they contradict, they are nonsense.

Sorry, I tried to watch the 2 hour video you linked, but after 60 seconds I had to stop... The guy claimed that we have never witnessed the event horizon of a black hole, which is simply untrue... If his initial premise is a lie, his entire argument fails

We have observed black holes via telescope and we can see the event horizon. We can also see the predicted gravitational lensing of stars behind the black hole, which shows the theory has accurate predictive qualities (required to be considered a theory)
http://www.space.com/31548-event-horizon-telescope-black-hole-photos.html

He then goes on to claim that according to black hole theory, all matter should be inside the black hole, and that there cannot be more than 1 black hole
It's a shame we just built a brand new telescope to study black holes since there is only 1 of them, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_massive_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quasars

Guy does not have a clue...

You keep making the claim that there is scientific proof that God exists, yet you fail to provide this proof every time you are asked for it

You do not even understand the rigorous requirements for your evidence to be accepted by the scientific community

If you ever provide actual scientific evidence, or provide a link to a source for such evidence, I will gladly look at it and refute it...

But, if the best you have is propaganda/lies, you have nothing with substance worthy of debate

Why not google some of the "facts" in his video? Don't take my word for it... do some research... consult google... google will enlighten you to exactly how wrong this guy is... I found 3 blatant lies in the first 60 seconds...

Also note, and this is very important!!!
Pay attention to his speech patterns... you will notice that he is talking as if to a child... exactly the same tone that many religious preachers use... exactly the same tone that many con-artists use... it is the way people unconsciously talk when they know they are feeding you bullshit, and hope you are not smart enough to call shenanigans

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Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:38:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:35:43 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:09:02 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us... (useless comment clipped)

Because you continue to fail at providing evidence/proof which meets the standards of science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frye_standard

Linking to Christian propaganda videos does not help your case... those sources you linked are the very definition of pseudoscience... I refuted the first 60 seconds, and there was no point watching further since it was obviously deliberate misinformation...

I also asked you to queue up the math portion so I could refute that separately... Why have you refused to do this?

You say that you could refute something, but you haven't. That's okay, of course. So, what does that have to do with focusing on us rather than focusing on the fact that the existence of God has been scientifically proven?

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Quote from: xht on February 16, 2016, 05:30:03 AM

yes god exist and there are profs like who created nature who did the big bang who created you and when bad things happens to you doesn't mean he hates you everything happens has its own reason.

Great wisdom! I applaud you. But the scientists have still fooled you a little. Big bang and black holes don't exist in any of the ways that we understand them. Whatever they are, you could apply any name to the things we see about them. The theories are full of lies, contradictions and nonsense. Watch the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc to see what I mean.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:35:43 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:09:02 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us... (useless comment clipped)

Because you continue to fail at providing evidence/proof which meets the standards of science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frye_standard

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence — Marcello Truzzi

Linking to Christian propaganda videos does not help your case... those sources you linked are the very definition of pseudoscience... I refuted the first 60 seconds, and there was no point watching further since it was obviously deliberate misinformation...

I also asked you to queue up the math portion (which you claim proves something) so I could refute that separately... Why have you refused to do this?

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Quote from: xht on February 16, 2016, 05:30:03 AM

yes god exist and there are profs like who created nature who did the big bang who created you and when bad things happens to you doesn't mean he hates you everything happens has its own reason.

Thank you for volunteering as an example of someone who does not have 120 IQ

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Quote from: Moloch on February 16, 2016, 05:09:02 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us, rather than continuing to say that you have debunked the proof that God exists found in combining the 3 scientific laws, when you really haven't debunked anything?:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal complexity.

Cool

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hey you, yeah you, fuck you!!!

yes god exist and there are profs like who created nature who did the big bang who created you and when bad things happens to you doesn't mean he hates you everything happens has its own reason.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 16, 2016, 05:04:13 AM

I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

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