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February 15, 2016, 01:17:01 PM
I did say that when multiple tests offer the same results everytime, did I not?
God's been missing the last 2000 years. We have to think for ourselves.
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February 15, 2016, 01:16:48 PM
Translation: it's true because God says it's true. Not because it's a scientific fact that can be demonstrated again and again with the same results.

Translation correction: It's true because it's true. When God confirms it, we can be certain it is true. When it is a scientific fact, it is true. We can't always determine if scientific facts are true, simply because our abilities are so extremely limited. Because of this, we need to believe God rather than the things we think we understand in science.


I'll believe God when he comes down and speaks to me in person...

Until then, science is fact, and the bible is nothing more than a dusty old book written by a homophobic, slave-owning, polygamous, genocidal desert cult
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February 15, 2016, 01:14:41 PM
Translation: it's true because God says it's true. Not because it's a scientific fact that can be demonstrated again and again with the same results.

Translation correction: It's true because it's true. When God confirms it, we can be certain it is true. When it is a scientific fact, it is true. We can't always determine if scientific facts are true, simply because our abilities are so extremely limited. Because of this, we need to believe God rather than the things we think we understand in science.

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February 15, 2016, 01:14:10 PM
Answer the man. Surely you have to agree that the hebrew version was before the english one. And now the man, who knows the language tells you how it translates literally. And now you're accusing him of not believing God?!
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February 15, 2016, 01:12:47 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, Gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for Gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
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Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language

Since the Bible states elsewhere that God is One, we have a plurality of persons in a singular God, no matter how you look at it.


The Hebrew Bible says that?  I'd love to know what book, chapter and verse... please educate me

Deuteronomy 6:4

1 Timothy 2:5


Strange that neither Elohim nor El is used in either of those passages, eh? (1 Timothy is not even part of the Hebrew Bible)

Besides... you JUST CLAIMED, "was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say"... How meaning specific could it be when the word that God chose to write is Elohim (plural), but we are supposed to interpret as El (singular)?  God fucked up?

Anybody who thinks that he is going to understand God, when God is a user of cause and effect the way He uses it, is going to have trouble. The thing we need to do is accept what God says, because it is truth from God.


Which truth?  Did a singular God create the universe, or a group of Elohim?

According to the original Hebrew, it was a group of gods who created the universe...

If you don't believe what God says, you will have to read and think to figure it out. If you believe what God said, His Spirit will reveal it to you.


That's the problem... unlike you, I have read the bible... in multiple languages

The bible contradicts itself in any language... I suppose you'll have to take my word for it since you can't read Hebrew
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February 15, 2016, 01:11:36 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, Gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for Gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Quote
Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language

Since the Bible states elsewhere that God is One, we have a plurality of persons in a singular God, no matter how you look at it.


The Hebrew Bible says that?  I'd love to know what book, chapter and verse... please educate me

Deuteronomy 6:4

1 Timothy 2:5


Strange that neither Elohim nor El is used in either of those passages, eh? (1 Timothy is not even part of the Hebrew Bible)

Besides... you JUST CLAIMED, "was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say"... How meaning specific could it be when the word that God chose to write is Elohim (plural), but we are supposed to interpret as El (singular)?  God fucked up?

Anybody who thinks that he is going to understand God, when God is a user of cause and effect the way He uses it, is going to have trouble. The thing we need to do is accept what God says, because it is truth from God.


Which truth?  Did a singular God create the universe, or a group of Elohim?

According to the original Hebrew, it was a group of gods who created the universe...

If you don't believe what God says, you will have to read and think to figure it out. If you believe what God said, His Spirit will reveal it to you.

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February 15, 2016, 01:11:23 PM
Translation: it's true because God says it's true. Not because it's a scientific fact that can be demonstrated again and again with the same results.
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February 15, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
And as specific proofs appear his answers appear slower. What's the matter BADecker? Don't tell me you're out of ideas.

You finally posted again. Marvelous of you.    Cool
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February 15, 2016, 01:09:22 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, Gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for Gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Quote
Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language

Since the Bible states elsewhere that God is One, we have a plurality of persons in a singular God, no matter how you look at it.


The Hebrew Bible says that?  I'd love to know what book, chapter and verse... please educate me

Deuteronomy 6:4

1 Timothy 2:5


Strange that neither Elohim nor El is used in either of those passages, eh? (1 Timothy is not even part of the Hebrew Bible)

Besides... you JUST CLAIMED, "was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say"...
How meaning specific could it be when the word that God chose to write is Elohim (plural), but we are supposed to interpret as El (singular)?
God fucked up?

(bear in mind this is still the first sentence of Genesis (7 words)... don't even get me started on the second verse!)

Anybody who thinks that he is going to understand God, when God is a user of cause and effect the way He uses it, is going to have trouble. The thing we need to do is accept what God says, because it is truth from God.


Which truth?  Did a singular God create the universe, or a group of Elohim?

According to the original Hebrew, it was a group of gods who created the universe...
legendary
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February 15, 2016, 01:08:02 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, Gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for Gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Quote
Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language

Since the Bible states elsewhere that God is One, we have a plurality of persons in a singular God, no matter how you look at it.


The Hebrew Bible says that?  I'd love to know what book, chapter and verse... please educate me

Deuteronomy 6:4

1 Timothy 2:5


Strange that neither Elohim nor El is used in either of those passages, eh? (1 Timothy is not even part of the Hebrew Bible)

Besides... you JUST CLAIMED, "was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say"... How meaning specific could it be when the word that God chose to write is Elohim (plural), but we are supposed to interpret as El (singular)?  God fucked up?

Anybody who thinks that he is going to understand God, when God is a user of cause and effect the way He uses it, is going to have trouble. The thing we need to do is accept what God says, because it is truth from God.

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February 15, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
And as specific proofs appear his answers appear slower. What's the matter BADecker? Don't tell me you're out of ideas.
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February 15, 2016, 01:00:54 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, Gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for Gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Quote
Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language

Since the Bible states elsewhere that God is One, we have a plurality of persons in a singular God, no matter how you look at it.


The Hebrew Bible says that?  I'd love to know what book, chapter and verse... please educate me

Deuteronomy 6:4

1 Timothy 2:5


Strange that neither Elohim nor El is used in either of those passages, eh? (1 Timothy is not even part of the Hebrew Bible)

Besides... you JUST CLAIMED, "was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say"...
How meaning specific could it be when the word that God chose to write is Elohim (plural), but we are supposed to interpret as El (singular)?
God fucked up?

(bear in mind this is still the first sentence of Genesis (7 words)... don't even get me started on the second verse!)
legendary
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February 15, 2016, 12:59:36 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, Gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for Gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Quote
Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language

Since the Bible states elsewhere that God is One, we have a plurality of persons in a singular God, no matter how you look at it.


The Hebrew Bible says that?  I'd love to know what book, chapter and verse... please educate me

Deuteronomy 6:4

1 Timothy 2:5

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February 15, 2016, 12:55:40 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, Gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for Gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Quote
Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language

Since the Bible states elsewhere that God is One, we have a plurality of persons in a singular God, no matter how you look at it.


The Hebrew Bible says that?  I'd love to know what book, chapter and verse... please educate me
legendary
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February 15, 2016, 12:52:24 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, Gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for Gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
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Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language

Since the Bible states elsewhere that God is One, we have a plurality of persons in a singular God, no matter how you look at it.

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February 15, 2016, 12:47:58 PM

...God, Who science proves to exist, actually did examine science before He set it in place

Yet another claim pulled directly from your ass

Prove it

It is a logical conclusion based on the things that god's witnesses in the bible said and say.


It is a hearsay (at best).

Oh, because the bible says so?

The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud like a cow

The bible says unicorns exist

The bible condones slavery in no less than 5 different books

The entire old testament is filled with murder and genocide

The bible places Jesus in cities hundreds of miles apart on the same day

The bible says the earth has four corners (implying the earth is flat)

The bible says God created light... 3 days before he created the sun and stars...

The bible is wrong on so many things... Literally hundreds of provable errors and contradictions

I will gladly provide dozens of links to scholarly sources on the subject if you are interested


The one thing that annoys me the most is that "everyone can understand bible in their own way" or such the cases that you've said can be understood differently from person to person or completely ignored. Ignoring the bad parts and counting just he good ones, The Evolution of Bible. Therefore bible is as much as a blank papers bounded together, it's just a great hitorical artifact, nothing else absolutely.

This is why the real Bible, the original written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, was written in those languages, which are meaning specific in the things that they say.


So you talk and read Hebrew Aramaic and Greek then? Or you don't understand the Bible either?

Actually, now that you mention it, I do...

I have read the book of Genesis in the original Hebrew, thanks for noticing... I have also read the Zohar, but that hardly counts since it is only commentary on the Hebrew Bible...

Here is an example from the first sentence of Genesis...

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Literally translates:
In the beginning, gods created the Heavens and the Earth

Elohim is the plural form for gods, not singular God... that would be El (אֵל), not Elohim (אֱלֹהִים)... Elohim is plural...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
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Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew

Not bad for an old Jew, eh?

What about you BADecker... you said you don't read Hebrew, but have you even read the bible in English?

I ask because you don't appear to know much about what it says... yet you make claims that there are translation errors after you admit you can't even read the language
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February 15, 2016, 12:46:50 PM
When we don't know if something scientific is law or not, we form a theory about it. The theory isn't there to state that the thing is a law or not. The theory isn't there to make the thing a law or not. The theory is there to help us examine the thing in more detail, so that we can figure out if the thing is a law or not.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

You are wrong again!

Science does not "form a theory about it"... nobody "forms a theory"... everyone "forms a hypothesis"

In science, everything starts as a hypothesis

Only after testing and confirmation (proof) does the hypothesis graduate to become a theory or law.  A theory is factual/proven consensus reality, whereas a hypothesis is just an educated guess

A theory and law are equally verified/proven hypothesis... a law is not better than a theory, nor a theory better than a law... neither can be equated to a hypothesis, like you keep trying to do
(times I explained this to you = 17)

I see you forgot that the dictionary shows that the word "hypothesis" is a synonym of the word "theory."


I see you forgot words can have multiple meaning in different context (times I explained this to you = 4)

Faggot can mean a bundle of sticks, a cigarette butt, or a homosexual... If someone is "throwing a faggot on the fire"... context tells me the definition I should use would be the one about a bundle of sticks... possibly a cigarette butt... I hope they are not throwing a homosexual on the fire... then I'd have to assume they were a Christian!

In a scientific context, you should be using the first dictionary definition from your list... the one that specifically mentions scientific theories...



Haven't forgotten at all. The hypothesis about a thing that is stated as a theory, is even more questionable than the theory itself... at least until the thing being theorized about has been proven to be a law or not.

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February 15, 2016, 12:42:23 PM
When we don't know if something scientific is law or not, we form a theory about it. The theory isn't there to state that the thing is a law or not. The theory isn't there to make the thing a law or not. The theory is there to help us examine the thing in more detail, so that we can figure out if the thing is a law or not.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

You are wrong again!

Science does not "form a theory about it"... nobody "forms a theory"... everyone "forms a hypothesis"

In science, everything starts as a hypothesis

Only after testing and confirmation (proof) does the hypothesis graduate to become a theory or law.  A theory is factual/proven consensus reality, whereas a hypothesis is just an educated guess

A theory and law are equally verified/proven hypothesis... a law is not better than a theory, nor a theory better than a law... neither can be equated to a hypothesis, like you keep trying to do
(times I explained this to you = 17)

I see you forgot that the dictionary shows that the word "hypothesis" is a synonym of the word "theory."


I see you forgot words can have multiple meaning in different context (times I explained this to you = 4)

Faggot can mean a bundle of sticks, a cigarette butt, or a homosexual... If someone is "throwing a faggot on the fire"... context tells me the definition I should use would be the one about a bundle of sticks... possibly a cigarette butt... I hope they are not throwing a homosexual on the fire... then I'd have to assume they were a Christian!

In a scientific context, you should be using the first dictionary definition from your list... the one that specifically mentions scientific theories...

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1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
legendary
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February 15, 2016, 12:40:17 PM
When we don't know if something scientific is law or not, we form a theory about it. The theory isn't there to state that the thing is a law or not. The theory isn't there to make the thing a law or not. The theory is there to help us examine the thing in more detail, so that we can figure out if the thing is a law or not.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

You are wrong again!

Science does not "form a theory about it"... nobody "forms a theory"... everyone "forms a hypothesis"

In science, everything starts as a hypothesis

Only after testing and confirmation (proof) does the hypothesis graduate to become a theory.  A theory is factual/proven consensus reality, whereas a hypothesis is just an educated guess
(times I explained this to you = 17)

I see you forgot that the dictionary shows that the word "hypothesis" is a synonym of the word "theory."

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February 15, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
"Exactly!"

We're proving in a logical way there is no God and you go like: "You don't think there is a God which means you have faith which means you believe there is a God which mean bla bla bla". But that's okay. You are free to believe whatever makes you happy. Me? Star Wars makes me happy and I believe it. Also cool. Just don't try and impose your flawed belief system upon others.

Best regards!  Grin

Actually, you are just talking.

I showed you the proof that God exists. When you examine my posts, you will find that I showed how the proof works when asked pointedly about aspects of the proof.

Nobody has been able to show how the proof doesn't work. Essentially the best that they can do is emphatically say that the proof doesn't work. Simple talk doesn't make it so.

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