Topic: PytagoraZ & komisariatku are alts (Read 2679 times)

Personally I would bar alt accounts from entering the contest -- I mean a lot of the ones that don't even look like pies are probably all made by the same person or people. But of course its not always easy to prove who is or isn't an alt, etc.

For the price prediction contests though, that's just pure scumbaggery to use multiple accounts in the same contest. I frankly don't care if its in the contest runner's rules or not, for me it implies an inherent non-trustworthiness.

There is one sizable farm that actually all enters these contests together. I busted about half of them, was just getting annoying seeing them all take advantage of other peoples' generosity and nobody noticing or doing anything about it... Will get around to them next.

Just for a quick recap, if all the names of the associated accounts are compiled then this is what the complete list should appear as:

akbarharyadi8
asrinur
coklat gurih
cyberdg
Hagz
havi agasa
komisariatku
Maftukh
nyupangcoin
pentol86
PytagoraZ
razor92
tu_kang

Personally, I would not limit the total to the names mentioned above because once the can of worms is opened, it usually leads to surprises.

I support the forum mission of being as free as possible as I have stated previously on my posts. I was just providing some rationale (from my perspective) of what could motivate the use of multiple accounts, I am sure that there can be others (and more depending of one's perspective).

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I wasn't aware that similar events happened with BCA. If I do run next year edition more feedback will have to be gathered in order to reach a set of balanced rules I guess...

No worry, Rick! In fact, to be sincere, paid2 made the initial remark about this issue... It crossed my mind too, but he mentioned it faster than me (he is younger and faster, heh... -- also having bought his second palace with BTC too, but that's irrelevant now lol)


While I agree with LV general idea, it's also true that, strictly regarding this contest, there really is no rule preventing PytagoraZ from being eligible. This, of course, is not pointing the finger at you, but an observation... We can only learn from such incidents and better the set of rules in time. Same happened with BCA during years and also with other similar events. It's really impossible to anticipate everything what can happen the future, what a particular user may do or try... so we can only adapt to the situation.

You missed a scenario that comes down to Bitcointalk being as free as possible, and offering free speech:

As shown above, theymos disagrees.

Considering the ongoing discussing I went ahead and made another reading of mprep's unofficial lsit of (official) Bitcointalk rules[1]. Considering the case at hand, the relevant rules that I found were the following (someone correct me if I am wrong):
Note: None of the accounts presented by jokers10[2] are banned from the forum so I didn't post the rule number 25. Perhaps one may find more accounts that may be related but as of now it doesn't seem applicable.

From my perspective, there are a couple of scenarios (that come to my mind as of now) where the need of having multiple accounts is justified and understandable (but always with transparency regarding it):

• Separating a business concept from the user account - Assuming that a user wants to launch a new business/service in the forum of his conception, and as long as there is transparency on the process, I see as understandable the desire to separate the user account from the business account.
• OPSEC reasons - LoyceMobile[3] is a good example of it. If a user wants to keep up to date with the forum discussion but isn't near their device of trust 24/7, then it makes sense to create a "secondary" account mainly used in a not so secure environment;
• Scrapping tools (by means of a bot) - Self explanatory.

The not so honorable need to have multiple accounts, from my perspective, only boils down to the following:

• Account farming for the purpose of enrolling in signature campaigns;
• Ban evading;

The previous two actions are motivated by ill intentions in either scenario - as both actions break signature campaign rules(1) and the forum rules (#25)[1] - and the people that do end up creating the accounts for these purpose definitely know that what they are doing is wrong (but decide to ignore it with the mantra of "I am too smart to be caught"). As consequences besides banning I know that, depending on the forum, there are different ways to deal with this issue : Either ban entire IP's from countries where this kind of behaviour has a pattern and abuse ( or even banning the usage of TOR and VPN to access the account so that these cases could be detected more easily. As it stands removing VPN and/or TOR usage would be a hit to the freedom of the forum (and the privacy that I, as many, advocate for) so I do not think these are feasible choices.

On this particular case, and after (re)reading the whole thread, the action of both users (or the user) isn't a correct one towards the community. Assuming that all the accounts are from Indonesia, we are talking about a country with a population of 279,204,661[4] (and increasing every second!) - that is the fourth most populous country[5] - and that, somehow, the cosmic event that justifies the connection of these users[2] is that they happen to be just friends[6]? . What would be the odds of it happening right here in the forum in this specific condition?

As for PytagoraZ participation on the contest, the edition that I am running doesn't state rules to deal with this kind of behaviour and I don't know if it would be fair to insert them right now considering the stage of it. I will consider this a lesson learned and, if the next edition happens by me, will surely take this into consideration in order to create a more fair contest amongst everyone.

Overall I tend to agree with GazetaBitcoin perspective (considering that the contest doesn't have a rule for this scenario but I am open to discussion):


There is still a lot of time to vote and I highly encourage anyone to vote (it's free!) since I believe we have some great entries on this year edition and that this event shouldn't let other contestants feel that they are being damaged in any way... I will update my second post on the voting thread alerting users for this situation as I believe that is the only thing that I can do as of now. The decision will rest upon each user interpretation of the whole situation.

PS: Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention @GazetaBitcoin.

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[1]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
[2]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63813270
[3]https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loycemobile-1903546
[4]https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/indonesia-population/
[5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia
[6]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63813430

I forgot the reason I used that account because maybe I did that in 2017 or 2018. Maybe I joined the same campaign or another reason, I really forgot. I admit that I have done that and I do it more often with the tu_kang account.

Regarding me buying a laptop, he is a close friend of mine and asked me to teach him how to earn money for his college education and he doesn't have a laptop. I bought him a laptop but he failed to take part in the campaign because he couldn't write blog articles, in the past I preferred to take part in blog campaigns than anything else.

For those accusations, I admit everything

Talking about using an existing account rather than creating new one, past mistake, and things around it, do you mind to perhaps explain to me the situation with using maftukh's account to submit a content bounty? It's a content, I can't see the necessity of borrowing an account, be it currently actively used or dormant, just to submit an entry, that can be done through your own account. Unless you mistakenly made the post with different account, i.e. you didn't mean to submit with maftukh's account, but you didn't realize that you did?

Yes, as described. We are different people, if I have many accounts it is easier for me to use an account that already has a rank than to create a new account. But for past mistakes, I have admitted them and if anyone finds out my other mistakes I will admit it if it is true and say no if it is not true.

Thank you Shasan for all the help you have provided and I apologize if I have made many mistakes to you

I have no interest in anything of you whether positive or negative. I was curious to know the reality of both of your accounts and it is revealed by Nutildah I am thankful for that. Also, for the kindness of Nutildah, I think my fund has been recovered though it is not sure if you would repay or not. Thank you as well for the repayment and wish you all the best.

I thought about this since first moment I saw this thread. Unfortunately, the contest has no specific rules for dealing with current case. I believe there is nothing to be done about it -- at least by RickDeckard. The only thing which would be common sense, in this case, would be for users to not vote him anymore.

But since this is a forum where free speech is encouraged as much as it is possible, this involves also that people can vote for him and his pie. Receiving votes may look abnormal or immoral but, since no contest rules are broken, I don't think there is anything which can be done.

Maybe we can have Rick's input too, in case he sees this post...

I just went back to the past through those links you provided, because I had grown curious about that image since the first time I saw it. It seems it kinda has become some kind of recurring meme here in the forum, specially in the reputation section. Anyways...
Picture me surprised, because I always assumed the picture itself was a fabrication, some edition made by some forum member as an allegory to the typical group of people who join in here in groups to take some advantage off bounty campaigns, never expected the material to have been uploaded by one of the participants themselves as part of a plea for their accounts not to get tagged. 🫨

It is like whoever shared the picture in the first place lacked any bit of awareness on the rules and etiquette of the forum (or any online community of this type) on what it is frown upon and what it is not. One does not stop seeing baffling stuff around here as years pass by. Though, even though compared to the scams and massive financial losses this should be nothing in my eyes, for some reason it still impresses me.

I admit my many mistakes in the past. So there is no benefit for me to lie about the account, if the account is mine then I will admit it.

You can ask me if you find any other mistakes of mine, or if you prefer to believe in your own assumptions, that's fine.

You are kind-hearted person who taught about the forum, campaign, and so on and later took the account from the real owner. Please try not to speak too much lie. People on the forum are not too foolish. And never think you are the smartest one.

Provided he hasn't cheated on that contest using his alts or tried to vote using the alt accounts, I think he can potentially win the prize. I looked through the contest rules and I didn't see any mention of users getting disqualified once they got tagged by DT members.
Maybe the organizer forgot some of those details, but it means that even users who had been tagged in the past could participate in the contest.

I was about to post this but since you've already done so, I'll just give my suggestion. If he violates the contest rules, he should be disqualified from receiving any prize. However, if the rules don't mention it he still has a chance to win the prize (specially he submitted a great entry). I believe the decision should be left to the contest organizer and its participants but if you ask me whether he can still win the prize, I will disqualify him as he may have submitted another entry using his alt in the contest. Once a cheater always a cheater.

In the light of recent discoveries, should we accept that PytagoraZ continue to get votes and therefore potentially win a prize?

He has cheated in the past with alts in some contests.

[VOTING PHASE OPEN] 🥧 Bitcointalk Pie Baking Contest (2nd Edition) 🥧

(Don't want to spam Pie baking thread and don't want to create a new topic for this)

The game for many accounts in this farm is clearly over. I did not expect the main protagonist to vanish without trying to drag this out for a few pages of the thread in the hope that some or all of the tags will be removed. Unfortunately for him (as with many others), he is wasting his time as it seems members (including myself) will not remove the tags.

I always knew the PytagoraZ account was playing a manipulative game therefore tagged it last year but cannot recall ever interacting with the komisariatku account.

If he has other accounts in his farm that have not yet been identified, eventually they will be. Maybe he should focus on trying to protect them and just give up on the ones mentioned in this thread.

Yes, I know about that. I'm quite interested in psychology and used to like reading about psychoanalysis, although I thought Freud seemed pretty crazy with his experiments. Would you like to explain something about that?

Didn't the OP tell me to defend myself in this thread? Maybe you need to buy glasses so you can read clearly. That's not humble at all, if you want to argue with me, come on


What do you want to convey? Did your mother lose her underwear?

I'm not interested in arguing with you

Or maybe wait till you meet him again at the coffee shop?

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I suggest you read about Dissociative identity disorder, it's when someone has two or more distinct personalities, the peak of it is when those personalities start to communicate with one another.

My humble advice -- stop trying to defend yourself, even if you (or both of you) were actually innocent, there is nothing you can say or do to undo what has been done, you will probably start a new account or use one of the "unfound" accounts to start climbing a ladder again, might as well just save the efforts and start now.