Topic: PytagoraZ & komisariatku are alts - page 2. (Read 2682 times)

Real credit goes to djuragan I had to search hard to find back the link.

Great job nutildah and also, very wise decision to wait until the loans were paid back to shasan. No wonder you won the title of Best Scam buster of the forum!
I tagged both accounts myself as well. Other than that, should also the other accounts found by jokers10 be tagged as well?

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Impressive work, jokers10! Your finding brings more light over the amplitude of entire situation.

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LMAO, this was precisely what crossed my head when I started reading this thread. For the reference though, let's give credit to The Pharmacist for the lovely picture =)))

Absolute pure class from you for holding on to this while both accounts had outstanding loans.

Well, he was a manipulator and quite a seasoned one therefore many members fell for his tactics. Fortunately, I discovered very early on he was an alt-account but did not find a link between him and his other accounts.

It seems this issue is potentially is far bigger connected than anticipated at first glance.

I am glad I tagged his account as far back as July 2023 but could not locate his alt-accounts. Thankfully nutildah listed the connection and members can now look back to learn about how they were duped by him.

When people are compulsive liars they do end up winning the trust of others quite easily.

Another name to add to the list.

The plot thickens more. There are already a huge number of potentially associated accounts therefore we could be looking at industrial scale account farming.

In general with common observation yes your have observed it correctly but in my experience all it was not necessary if a user has a certain goal and be honest in their activities. In my experience it's not about living in a poor or economically down countries. It's about users to have lack of experience and proper goal with a good mindset, these people also don't want to study, learn, understand a knowledge and apply everything to improve their personal skills.

Most of the users in the forum want to make quick money, they want it today, even without achieving the first rank. If they would observe the influential members (who are making 10 to 100 times more money only from signature and avatar campaigns than those of general members) and followed their footsteps then they would make better amount of money than they make having a dozen of alternative accounts and abusing different opportunities.

Respect to Nutildah for his exellent judgment for waiting until the loans where fully paid back before posted this! RESPECT. IMO Everyone should follow this path because it will help a lot of lenders to get their money back! 🙏

I'm rather rich in a poor country then poor in a rich country.

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Question to PytagoraZ/komisariatku: How in the hell do you find time and pleasure to running so many accounts and be on this forum? It must been taking hours each day? I have hard to believe it's no other way to get an income that you also can be proud of. "11(?) accounts".  Even I struggle to find time to be active on one account.


.... It's really benefits and make thing much easier to be from a country that have an active local board indeed! But I think is much less fun to get boosted your way up in rankings, so much more joey to farm your journey the real way with struggle/patience/time so your journey get real that will for sure make your self appreciate the task a lot more. That's important isn't it to be a signature campaign IMO.


I have recommend one friend about this forum because he was new into crypto, and the questions I couldn't answer I told him to search for the questions here because it's a lot of high skilled users here.
But as far I know he hasn't posted a single post, he just come in time to time and read about things he want to learn about. other then that? No. But he also got a life with a job, family so no time to spend hours here weekly.

I think this man after getting caught, is now using his alt. Kudos to Nutildah for letting the loan be paid by these two accounts before reporting this post. I'm 100% sure that if Nutildah had posted this at the time when these two users haven't pay the loan, it would have ended up defaulting or not being paid the loan.

Curious... how normal is it in your circle of friends to bought someone a new laptop? Can I be your friend? I have this specific laptop in mind that I've been wanting to have.


Aside from buying someone a new laptop, is it also normal to borrow an unused account? Ok, that one probably quite common if they're from the same circle of multi-acc bounty hunter. But umm... why? Why even bother using her... his [?] account just to submit a content bounty entry? Even when the account is dormant and leave unused, you can just use yours.

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Resorting to providing private information to a trusted member on the forum has been offered from time to time to resolve a dispute. Like always, every case is unique and should be approached on case-by-case basis, but one that can be agreed is that it is a very drastic measure and will be a burden to the user agreed to validating it to prove the submitted data.

On this case, for example, just to let you understand how heavy is the burden and why this is not an ideal method [not to mention that it's kinda against forum's private nature], how do you propose nutildah to know that komisariatku did not just ask someone next to him, or his friend next city [to be sure they will have different IP] to pretend to be PytagoraZ?

Do you also use each other old underwear and toothbrushes by any chance?
With silly statements and stupid pretending when talking to yourself like this you are only digging deeper hole for yourself.
Congrats on ruining your accounts, and I can't wait to see other alt accounts you used for cheating

So far, all people who claim their "nephew" or "friend" owns their accused alt account, are from "poor" countries. It makes sense: a "signature income" makes a much larger share of your total income if your "local" income is much lower.

You have admitted your misdeeds, yet why do you want to say they are not your accounts? You have multiple accounts.
Let's temporarily borrow the account and run it. If the account is not owned, it will no longer be used. But why would you run with that account? These cause reputation problems in the forum.

Apart from these accounts, you have some more multi-accounts. You should not be in this forum and should leave it.

Thank you, @nutildah, for bringing up such a beautiful case.

I've told exactly one person about how members here can potentially get paid for making posts, and this person would have been the only one I know who'd be interested.  But then I explained that in order to make more than a pittance he'd need to rank up and that it isn't exactly easy.  He didn't care either, and as I said it might be different in other countries but the most logical explanation in situations like this is that accounts are connected.  I've seen excuses like the ones given here more than a few times over the years, so.

Still thinking about reevaluating my post history review offer.  It wasn't abused in this case, but I've been getting PMs from members I respect hinting that I ought to just ditch the whole endeavor, and I'm beginning to agree with them.

For me it does because in the past I've been in a few situations where it looked near 1:1 impossible to prove my innocence and it stressed me every minute of the day for a while I had to fight something for 6 months straight where it looked like I was guilty because I was told not to say some confidential information that was shared to only me, only for the bad results to happen the next day. Even with the other person who had this info telling him I had nothing to do it took an extremely long time just for the person who told me to realize the full story because I continued persisting and did everything humanly possible. Because of how long it took I lost pretty much alot of other valuable experiences with the dude including the trust that was built up until I was proven innocent.

Another time I had thousands of dollars hostage for about a week and they had serious coincidental proof of me "exploiting their website to duplicate money" it was getting to the point where I was starting to think I miscounted the money I withdrew/deposited and thought I was guilty for a while. I ended up failing my studying for a little because of it. They only realized I was innocent because I calmed down later that day, reviewed it fully, realized I was innocent and didn't take any "exploited" money from my account, and went to far and beyond lengths almost no one else would go to just to prove it. If it has anything to do with stuff considered important to me being at risk then I'll do anything just to try and get it back.

Other stories, etc. Whatever bits of trust this dude had remaining has just vanished the moment he lied here though. I'm just tired of people acting like they're from the circus over and over trying to act "innocent" expecting people to trust their words while not posting any actual proof against very clear incriminating evidence. Same thing just happens over and over, and it gets dull.

And yeah there will always be another "what if" scenario for almost everything but I'd figure that someone tell him to try something instead of relying on words with no proof as backup. You are right too, this website literally has proven to me all the people here who you think are good and trustworthy only to turn out to do things people would never have believed.

To me it just seems like people here on Bitcointalk fail to learn and have to go say the same NPC wordplay everytime they're caught and exposed and I've only seen one person come clean so far out of the (approximate) 50-100 I've viewed here from older and newer threads. All this because he wanted a few extra dollars per week from campaigns or small rewards from bounties. Didn't mean to make this super long but yeah that is why I'm out here saying all this.
 

Forgot about this rule, I was told about it before and had my posts merged as a result a couple of months back. I'll delete my previous post and edit my previous post to include what I've said. Thank you!

You were told that publishing personal information is unsafe and there is no need. Why do you advise something that makes absolutely no sense? Whoever is on the other side of the screen should not show themselves. The forum adheres to confidentiality.
On the other hand, just imagine that there are a lot of farmers on the forum, and many have received negative tags. Is it possible to believe the evidence of cheaters who bring a friend, mom, and dad, as well as their cat, to a video call, but only one person will remain the true owner?
Don't forget, this is the internet, and we can be anything in the plural.

Better study the forum rules and learn the multi-posting rule.
32. Posting multiple posts

Well it’s more than obvious that the story is unbelievable so far but personally I’d let anyone who is willing to go that far to prove their innocence to just let them do so even if it’s to a far extent. For a situation like this where it’s basically open and shut, providing some strong proof(privately of course) to justify the claims made by him is better on his side than to look like a clown on the forums with his livelihood ruined trying to disprove(with poor evidence and mere words) against an open and shut case with near undeniable proof of the connection. I just simply showed him a better way to help effectively prove his claims (I doubt it too, most of the people on these forums who have been caught try to lie their way out instead of being honest, which would at least make them look like a normal individual)



I wouldn’t have posted that publicly, private is the way to go.

If you look back people have said some unbelievable excuses and have always ended up looking like a bozo while trying to disprove the truth. I appreciate that you’re at least trying here with proof for this situation and not just using words against extremely strong proof, along with the lie you told and other things the community has gathered isn’t helping your case as well.

An image(which can be faked photoshopped whatever) is not the way to go though, but it’s better than absolutely nothing.

If you are innocent and really want to prove it, the only suggestion I can tell you is to keep going with this and not post any sensitive info publicly here. Otherwise honestly it is simply almost impossible to believe your side considering the clear evidence they gathered against you. To everyone here, this story you shown is unbelievable so far. You were literally caught posting on the wrong account, why would you have your “irl friends” log in info? You were also caught lying in this thread too, another huge red flag only furthering thinning the ice on any remaining person who has a glimmer of hope for your words here

I'm not surprised by your answer because nothing will change even though I can prove it with a video call.

I have also admitted my true mistake. So you have every reason to tag me.



 

Nope, I would never condone that sort of thing or ask anybody to participate in it. All the evidence necessary to prove these two accounts are alts can already be found on the forum & its archives. One's personal privacy should never have to be invaded for the purpose of these types of investigations.

komisariatku seems to be telling one lie after another -- just utterly shameless that each lie becomes more ridiculous than the last. I will not be removing these tags.

As much of a privacy ruining decision that is(to one singular trusted person who wont share your face/voice to anyone), its still the only effective way of proving your innocence, especially with all the undeniable proof stacked up brought by everyone here and the "irl" defense being used repeatedly.

It's not exactly like KYC where they straight up ask for your legal ID (which has.. everything)

Video call? it will ruin my privacy and nutildah, it's not that easy guys and I never knew there was such a way because most people don't like kyc and guard their privacy

Ok, I believe you on that. That can help a little since a track record of honesty is good. but that is only a little drop proven compared to everything else here. What Im trying to say is unbelievable is how these are all your irl “friends” including the account that Nutildah is accusing you of being. You could be innocent everywhere else but it wouldn’t really matter at all if you can’t disprove the important key accusations made from this thread.

You need to go out of your way and do what I said in my previous post if you are really innocent, and that includes your “friend” following the advice too. It is your only way to provide definitive proof that you aren’t the person running the other account. And it will prove that you two are different people.

I've mentioned my mistakes in the past and I don't sugarcoat them. In the past, most bounty hunters were cheaters, even bounty managers at that time were also cheaters. The conditions are very different from now, I'm sure nutildah knows those dark times and alt accounts were something that almost everyone had, especially at the end of 2017 and the beginning of 2018. One of the managers that I still remember and is still active today is irfan_pak, he is very thorough in assessing blog campaigns, I am often accepted into his campaigns because I have never plagiarized and my previous base was a blogger so I had no difficulty in writing articles well enough without having to plagiarize.