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Quote from: tspacepilot on September 08, 2015, 04:04:36 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on September 08, 2015, 03:50:05 PM

tspacepilot is receiving positive feedback from people on default trust. They are thinking tspacepilot is really a good guy but is he? There was enough "evidence", even more then what they had on me suggesting TC escrows for himself. Nobody brought this up, one even said something about because he didn't charge an escrow fee. He still abused the trust system by leaving feedback for himself, which is what this WHOLE thing was about at first, me supposedly abusing tspacepilot by leaving negative feedback. If tspacepilot really is a good guy, why not run scripts or experiments against TC and krispy?

Scripts are in the OP, along with overview style instructions. If you have trouble running them, let me know.

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I don't think that TC escrowing for himself is wrong,

Oh, wait, okay. Nevermind then.

I am just saying that you are being a hypocrite and that you do not care about the community.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 08, 2015, 03:50:05 PM

tspacepilot is receiving positive feedback from people on default trust. They are thinking tspacepilot is really a good guy but is he? There was enough "evidence", even more then what they had on me suggesting TC escrows for himself. Nobody brought this up, one even said something about because he didn't charge an escrow fee. He still abused the trust system by leaving feedback for himself, which is what this WHOLE thing was about at first, me supposedly abusing tspacepilot by leaving negative feedback. If tspacepilot really is a good guy, why not run scripts or experiments against TC and krispy?

Scripts are in the OP, along with overview style instructions. If you have trouble running them, let me know.

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I don't think that TC escrowing for himself is wrong,

Oh, wait, okay. Nevermind then.

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tspacepilot is receiving positive feedback from people on default trust. They are thinking tspacepilot is really a good guy but is he? There was enough "evidence", even more then what they had on me suggesting TC escrows for himself. Nobody brought this up, one even said something about because he didn't charge an escrow fee. He still abused the trust system by leaving feedback for himself, which is what this WHOLE thing was about at first, me supposedly abusing tspacepilot by leaving negative feedback. If tspacepilot really is a good guy, why not run scripts or experiments against TC and krispy?

At the end of the day, I don't believe tspacepilot is a good guy. He had a problem with me and obviously cares nothing about the community in whole otherwise he would be after TC given the evidence posted by someone else.

I don't think that TC escrowing for himself is wrong, however I do think this whole thread is just an attempt to sling mud at me

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 08, 2015, 03:23:15 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on September 08, 2015, 12:49:13 PM

Since this seems to be a common practice I decided to remove the neutral feedback I had left on QS' profile just because I won't leave feedback everywhere.

It is NOT common practice.

I want to believe that. As I said I really don't like that practice at all. Probably at least a neutral is required to discourage using their escrow services. The problem is we'll never know who else does that or how common it is.

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 08, 2015, 03:23:15 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on September 08, 2015, 12:49:13 PM

Since this seems to be a common practice I decided to remove the neutral feedback I had left on QS' profile just because I won't leave feedback everywhere.

It is NOT common practice.

i have left a negrate on TC and QS (mainly because he didnt left as he said and is still commenting on this issue; otherwise i would have followed vod's opinion).

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on September 08, 2015, 12:49:13 PM

Since this seems to be a common practice I decided to remove the neutral feedback I had left on QS' profile just because I won't leave feedback everywhere.

It is NOT common practice.

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Quote from: eneilwex on September 08, 2015, 02:51:24 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 08, 2015, 01:02:34 PM

Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 10:46:45 AM

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT. Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

I wouldn't leave him negative trust. Obviously he's a great scam buster but I wouldn't leave him negative trust. He's proven how he can go on the offensive & ruin people. Who knows how many alts he has, it's not something I'd want to fight. I don't even trade here but I don't want negative trust. I'm not surprised people are scared to give him negative trust.

TSP has been persecuted & now the negative trust he had from QS is effectively worthless he suddenly has another one from a different account. I'd advise anybody who is just a normal poster (not on DT) to steer clear of QS & to not piss him off.

So what if he gives you negative trust? How will that affect your life in the real world? Should we cower in fear of the admins and mods? I will negative trust him If I knew how.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

If you're a trader, buyer or seller here and you're afraid you'll get trolled to the point where it would affect business in the real world, leaving a negative is not such a good idea IMO. This is why I do not getting involved with certain members and disputes, instead remain neutral and just point out things others may have missed.

Remember what happened to Vod and the fake allegations against him? Can't remember if that was all because of negative trust but either way, I don't think anyone wants that to happen to them. Remember that some members are willing to go further then the rest.

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Quote from: eneilwex on September 08, 2015, 02:51:24 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 08, 2015, 01:02:34 PM

Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 10:46:45 AM

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT. Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

I wouldn't leave him negative trust. Obviously he's a great scam buster but I wouldn't leave him negative trust. He's proven how he can go on the offensive & ruin people. Who knows how many alts he has, it's not something I'd want to fight. I don't even trade here but I don't want negative trust. I'm not surprised people are scared to give him negative trust.

TSP has been persecuted & now the negative trust he had from QS is effectively worthless he suddenly has another one from a different account. I'd advise anybody who is just a normal poster (not on DT) to steer clear of QS & to not piss him off.

So what if he gives you negative trust? How will that affect your life in the real world? Should we cower in fear of the admins and mods? I will negative trust him If I knew how.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

In that case you should give a negative to TC, he is the one behind all this. QS was only a puppet who was discarded when he was more trouble than was worth.

Follow this link, scroll down and leave your rating https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=37522

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I think QS removal from DT is punishment enough for the "crime".

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 08, 2015, 01:02:34 PM

Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 10:46:45 AM

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT. Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

I wouldn't leave him negative trust. Obviously he's a great scam buster but I wouldn't leave him negative trust. He's proven how he can go on the offensive & ruin people. Who knows how many alts he has, it's not something I'd want to fight. I don't even trade here but I don't want negative trust. I'm not surprised people are scared to give him negative trust.

TSP has been persecuted & now the negative trust he had from QS is effectively worthless he suddenly has another one from a different account. I'd advise anybody who is just a normal poster (not on DT) to steer clear of QS & to not piss him off.

So what if he gives you negative trust? How will that affect your life in the real world? Should we cower in fear of the admins and mods? I will negative trust him If I knew how.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 08, 2015, 02:46:49 PM

makes internet meme which doesn't take timeline into account

Good job, QS, you've discovered the fun of the world-wide-web! I hope you enjoy yourself out there!

In case you consider that it might be relevant, I'll point out that the information that TC has been self-escrowing has come to my attention in the last hour. Feel free to open up a scam-accusation thread against him. I wish you luck.

EDIT:

Ooooo! I get it. You think I was saying double-standard as in "if it's okay for TC it should be okay for QS". That explains your cute poster. Let me clarify: I'm suggesting that it shouldn't be okay for QS or for TC. I hope that helps!

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Quote from: tspacepilot on September 08, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

Quote from: koshgel on September 08, 2015, 01:03:14 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on September 08, 2015, 12:49:13 PM

Quote from: koshgel on September 08, 2015, 12:40:39 PM

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sold-200-btc-bitstamp-5-793183

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

He accidentally posted from the extraKrispy account when he created a thread in currency exchange under his main. He admitted it was his alt when someone in that thread called it out. I can look for the thread but it was months ago..

Edit - Found it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-18-btc-bitstamp-1-938340

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10358524

Again. I dont think Tomatocage is doing anything malicious on purpose but the double standard here via witch hunts is disconcerting.

That's a very interesting find, koshgel. It certainly explains why he said upthread that escrowing for yourself isn't a big deal. It seems slightly less malevolent than the QS scheme because it appears that each time he was the one to pay escrow fees. That said, I think you're right to ask about double standards here.

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Quote from: koshgel on September 08, 2015, 01:03:14 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on September 08, 2015, 12:49:13 PM

Quote from: koshgel on September 08, 2015, 12:40:39 PM

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sold-200-btc-bitstamp-5-793183

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

He accidentally posted from the extraKrispy account when he created a thread in currency exchange under his main. He admitted it was his alt when someone in that thread called it out. I can look for the thread but it was months ago..

Edit - Found it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-18-btc-bitstamp-1-938340

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10358524

Again. I dont think Tomatocage is doing anything malicious on purpose but the double standard here via witch hunts is disconcerting.

That's a very interesting find, koshgel. It certainly explains why he said upthread that escrowing for yourself isn't a big deal. It seems slightly less malevolent than the QS scheme because it appears that each time he was the one to pay escrow fees. That said, I think you're right to ask about double standards here.

EDIT:
I think the fact that Quickseller finally fully demonstrated the volitility of his modus operandi to the observers in this thread probably also has a lot to do with his fate. For a long time, QS' unrepentant ire was only fully unleashed on newbie accounts and those with no trading history. Those who he saw as "above" him in some way were always treated with reverence. As QS seemed to fully explode and unleash the bile on Vod just upthread, the calling of "asshole" and stating how he's above the rules and risks that others have to abide by, I think a lot of people who weren't really involved in his treatment of newbie accounts got to see the kind of personality we're dealing with here.

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Quote from: Cxinbolen on September 08, 2015, 02:38:00 PM

So if TC also did what QS did here... shouldn't he be taken off of DT as well? Or is there something else that I'm missing.

No idea. That would explain why he supports self-escrowing.

I don't think I should post here anymore. Wardrick is nuts already... Now if TC goes off DT too, he is probably going to give me a negative trust for God knows what..

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So if TC also did what QS did here... shouldn't he be taken off of DT as well? Or is there something else that I'm missing.

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Quote from: koshgel on September 08, 2015, 01:03:14 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on September 08, 2015, 12:49:13 PM

Quote from: koshgel on September 08, 2015, 12:40:39 PM

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sold-200-btc-bitstamp-5-793183

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

He accidentally posted from the extraKrispy account when he created a thread in currency exchange under his main. He admitted it was his alt when someone in that thread called it out. I can look for the thread but it was months ago..

Edit - Found it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-18-btc-bitstamp-1-938340

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10358524

Again. I dont think Tomatocage is doing anything malicious on purpose but the double standard here via witch hunts is disconcerting.

WoW a lot of things are appearing out of nowhere, that honestly makes tomatocage look really suspicious and as i said before if other guy did the same as quickseller or tomatocage, giving themselves trust and someone found out they would have a lot of negative ratings by now...

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People I know (reasonably well - excl. admins here) and I trust.

theymos
BadBear

dooglus
Vod
shorena

and a couple of mods.

That is just it.

I trust some others, but either I don't know them much or too personal or almost didn't make it.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on September 07, 2015, 10:39:32 PM

You may be right Vod. I'm always impressed by your intuition and judgement.

Still, I would like to hear from tcspacepilot about what he actually did.
If he did use a bot to game rewards, I wouldn't consider that good behavior.

You should review this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wardrick-account-hacked-trust-abuse-resolution-in-sight-finally-1129059 and this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/someone-lowered-my-trust-i-dont-know-why-what-recourse-303613. Those two threads are the ones that tsp made all of his claims and explanations about his behavior.

After hearing tspacepilot's explanation, I side with his word over tradefortress.
TF not only knew there was a bot, but demand an arbitrary payment amount.
As always, there are two sides to every story.

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on September 08, 2015, 12:49:13 PM

Quote from: koshgel on September 08, 2015, 12:40:39 PM

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sold-200-btc-bitstamp-5-793183

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

He accidentally posted from the extraKrispy account when he created a thread in currency exchange under his main. He admitted it was his alt when someone in that thread called it out. I can look for the thread but it was months ago..

Edit - Found it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-18-btc-bitstamp-1-938340

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10358524

Again. I dont think Tomatocage is doing anything malicious on purpose but the double standard here via witch hunts is disconcerting.

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Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 10:46:45 AM

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT. Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

I wouldn't leave him negative trust. Obviously he's a great scam buster but I wouldn't leave him negative trust. He's proven how he can go on the offensive & ruin people. Who knows how many alts he has, it's not something I'd want to fight. I don't even trade here but I don't want negative trust. I'm not surprised people are scared to give him negative trust.

TSP has been persecuted & now the negative trust he had from QS is effectively worthless he suddenly has another one from a different account. I'd advise anybody who is just a normal poster (not on DT) to steer clear of QS & to not piss him off.

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