Topic: Quickseller escrowing for himself - page 21. (Read 33647 times)

When escrowing my own deals? No.
Also, I know if I have sent/received whatever is being traded, and am going to act honestly (as I am being trusted to be as much) so if the other person is 100% above board then there will be no issues, and if they are trying to scam me then I will 100% know for sure.

Sure, there's that scenario, but why does X even have to be involved? The same thing could happen in a direct non-escrow deal. The same trust and expectation would be involved. The simple solution to that is to arrange the deal out in the open.

the difference is when it comes to a dispute.
have you ever been in a fight or misunderstanding? only a third party can be free of emotions and decide fairly

Where he is the thing, if someone is selling a widget and they want to have $100 in their pocket after all costs to them then there is no difference to the seller if I were to say that I would offer $101 for the widget and the seller pay any escrow fee, or if I were to say that I offer $100 and I pay any escrow fees (assuming in both cases that the escrow fee is $1). In both scenarios, the seller ends up with $100 in their pocket (both scenarios also ignore shipping costs).

However with that being said, in my experience, there is a greater chance that the person is not paying the escrow fee will send a tip my direction when acting as escrow. Therefore, if I were to use the scenario in which I cover the escrow fee (I offer $100 but I cover the escrow fee), then the seller may feel additionally compelled to tip me verses if the seller was paying the escrow fee - this would especially be the case if I were to release escrow while I would be able to quickly access my escrow wallet, so the seller not paying the fee + quick/good service = the seller being further pressured to send a tip, even if one is not solicited.

This is why I say that when escrowing your own trade that having the other party pay the escrow fee is going to be the most transparent way to handle business because they will know exactly how much money they are due, and will be minimally pressured to leave any kind of tip.

ok, understood


damn. i think its deceiving and scammy - even without escrow fees.

users on this forum cant check if someone is an alt. only badbear can (to some extent). so even if someone is on DT we should assume that he is not trustworthy as escrow, because the hole point of escrow is a trusted third-party and not that the other part is trustworthy (that is a big difference).

best practice would be that the customer selects multiple escrows and trader selects one which fits, or do you have another suggestion?

We very much disagree on this point.  I will state publicly that users of my escrow service can be 100% guaranteed that I am acting as an independent 3rd party.



I'm not asian.  This is what I'm known for running: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nastyfans-the-bitcoin-enthusiast-fan-club-est-2012-86854

Other than "OldScammerTag", there's only like a dozen or so guys in DefaultTrust, which is what I was referring to. I don't think QS ever claimed to have any accounts in that tier. And I still stand by my original assertion that it's not a scam per se to escrow your own trades, though let's call it what it really is: A deal in which you're sending first. However, tacking on additional escrow fees and making the counter party pay it is what tips the scales toward the shady side of things.

I don't think Tomatocage is Quickseller. I recently followed some trusted escrows here to see how they operate (incl QS). there's no way in my opinion that they are linked.

Isn't it known who OgNasty is?  I thought he was an Asian dude who runs a mining company....or something.

Hi,

Just that you know, you already got into my list of suspicious alts two months ago. I noticed the removing and adding of trust feedbacks. I have zero evidence to support anything I said, but from the past 3 days, you are acting strange.  


Edit: I don't think QS is TC. lol, that would be pretty difficult.

you mean like Wardrick claims to have and QS had at some point?
in my book you arent QS. but have you changed your mind regarding "its not a scam to escrow own trades"? i'd really like to put you back on my trust list... but with this just statement i just...cant...

And I actually find it kind of funny how so many people think I'm QuickSeller. And now QuickSeller himself thinks I'm OgNasty. I mean how cool would that be to have two accounts in DefaultTrust?

Yup. Seems like everybody used to give Vod shit about jumping the gun and flagging people with negative Trust. Then weeks/months later it's revealed beyond a shadow of a doubt that almost every single one of the people Vod flagged were in fact scammers.

I agree.  I've had a few brief conversations with TC in the past few months that make me positive he isn't QS.  That, or TC is a social genius in manipulation.  QS is just a hot head.

QS was once a trusted member on this forum.  When a person like that falls from grace, there is bound to be fallout.  This QS/TC accusation is just another reaction to what has probably shocked a few people.

Thanks for clearing that up man.

FWIW, I do not hate you, despite the fact that you have given me death threats. I do believe that you have scammed in the past and others should be warned about these previous transgressions. We can agree to disagree on the issue of you previously scamming.

I do however believe that despite the fact that I believe you have stolen a few hundred dollars in the past, that you should be treated with respect, and I see no reason to troll you on unrelated threads that have nothing to do with you trading.

Tomatocage isn't Quickseller. Quickseller hates my guts and is always petty with me. Tomatocage and me have had professional and serious conversations in the past. Tomatocage also acknowledges he liked me a lot back in the old days but with the one transaction that didn't leave both parties happy he had to leave a negative. Quickseller wasn't even around in the "old days" when I was one of the forum's main escrows.

I don't gamble anymore but I'd put my life savings on Tomatocage not being QS.

You should review this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wardrick-account-hacked-trust-abuse-resolution-in-sight-finally-1129059 and this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/someone-lowered-my-trust-i-dont-know-why-what-recourse-303613. Those two threads are the ones that tsp made all of his claims and explanations about his behavior.

You may be right Vod.  I'm always impressed by your intuition and judgement.

Still, I would like to hear from tcspacepilot about what he actually did.
If he did use a bot to game rewards, I wouldn't consider that good behavior.