Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 16. (Read 96808 times)

The timing and quantity of units they claim MS fraudulently took delivery of looks suspiciously like they may be inventing a cover story for diverting real units toward their Rent Some Minions customers now that cex.io GH's won't generate income.

that's a good point.  why would someone 'steal' something that was essentially worthless.  makes no sense.

they've said on their forum that they have shipped all X-3's, and for people to contact them if they haven't gotten theirs for some reason.

no idea what's going on with the X-1's/1.5's, and people are not getting any help at all with miners that have malfunctioned, but you're likely right, they'll just go dark and let this slide away, hope to rework some scam in some other way maybe.....

Why would Minersource even want 250 X3's?  Even if they had a fantastic deal on power, they are so inefficient they wouldn't make them enough money to justify the labor cost to install them and deal with the headaches.  It sounds more like Minersource agreed to pay them for the units a long time ago, BA sent them really late, and BA was upset that Minersource didn't agree to pay for them after all this time.  That's the only thing that makes any sense. 

Likely BA was mining with these until they became worthless and then sent them out. 

I also think if you're still waiting on an X3, they don't have any idea who is and isn't anymore.  So unless you contact them directly, they won't ever send you your miner.  That's why they ask for your address in their email response they send out.  Because they don't know who they owe and who they don't.

Probably the same for X1, but my guess is they aren't working on those since they didn't bother sticking them into their own mining farm. 

Since they are worthless now, I suspect they'll wrap up any further shipping and assembling soon, and just quietly disappear.

The best part is these total lying pieces of shit trying to turn the very customers they have fucked into tools to turn on someone else.

Yeah, we know we've screwed your brains out, but attack THAT other guy over there.  SUE!  SUE!  SUE!

Give me a break.  They must really think people are stupid, or they are typical fraudsters, trying to manipulate yet again the same people they have already fucked.  They've already taken people's money and left them with nothing.  Now they're trying to convince them to organize legal action against someone else.  It's right out of the sociopath's handbook.

If people should be suing anyone they should be suing Black Arrow and Alex Sovu, who through his account on this forum and theirs made promise after promise to get people's money and then broke them one right after the next.  As long as you're going to be in the US for this Alex, would you care to take up these consumer issues in US District Court I wonder or would you still like to hide behind Hong Kong law, scum-ball.....

that this was not the first stop on this joyride is my guess also and it seems logical that this issue of refunds could be some of it at least.   MS has given some, I think they were refunding out of pocket at one point because BA was refusing, although I don't know that for sure.  BA has totally refused any refunds after months of saying they would, making one lame excuse after another to delay them (please wait, everyone is busy building miners, we'll issue them as soon as we catch up) and then simply denying them altogether, deleting the refund thread on their own site that they themselves started and have proceeded to try to jam this junk on people ever since.

It would be very much like BA and Alex in particular to misrepresent the situation and try to lay total blame on the other party.  It's what they done all along through all of this.  A year late, miners that start on fire, major quality issues and on and on and on, and yet none of it is their fault.  We seen the suppliers blamed, the customers were berated for pushing too hard resulting in no testing or removal of defective components and miners that burned.  At one point it was the shipper's fault.  They were making people pay shipping to send these defective components back.   Never was/is anything the fault of the people actually running this mess. 

And yes, I have little doubt these guys were/are running a mine.  First they said the datacenter was ready, then it didn't exist, then you could pay their "partner" (who has never been identified) for hosting (for a fee of course).  sure they had X-3's to deliver now, even they can't use them any longer- it is the stereotypical scam in this business.  Take the customer's money, mine them until they're useless and then ship them out.   

They've been so totally devoid of ethics of any kind, this latest issue with MS just being the latest example, that it is clear they have none.   If they could have been running a mine, they have been.  I have little doubt about that.

An X3 makes like $2 a day now, it's not like this product's worth a wooden nickle anymore. I'm hoping if I ever see one in the next few years it'll be a priceless collectors item in a few decades; if it stays in the wrapper.

137x X3 units are now worth what, $30k at most.

I have no proof, nor do I have any direct dealings with MS, but I've seen many reports of MS customers actually receiving refunds for their delayed miners. It would not surprise me at all if this conflict arose from BA not crediting MS for providing those refunds - as they are required to do by law.

BA has always been about screwing the little guy. The resellers were given shipping priority from the start, although they didn't come on board for 3-4 months after BA had been selling directly.

I was pondering that question myself, but you already know what I believe to be the answer.  What other alternatives could there be?  Either they have been running units in a massive farm this entire time, or they can manufacture that many units in a very short time frame and ship them out almost immediately...and yet have failed to do that for the better half of 6 months since the chips arrived...

What I want to know is, if there is still a customer backorder, why on earth did they have 130 units in stock to ship immediately as one batch? I'd be surprised if they were units rolling off the line, as it means they had 130 boxed and tested units ready in the same ~6 hours to 2 days.

Why not? He's been doing that to his customers

All we really know is that no matter what is really going on, the end result is that BA is going to dream up some way that this situation continues to fuck their customers and try to extract more money out of them.

yeah, if it's true this is the case.

While I find it funny if it's true, I also find it unlikely on many levels and on both sides of this equation.

We're supposed to believe Matt just woke up one day and decided to try to rip them off for hundreds of thousands of dollars via a completely documented means.  I don't know this guy but that takes a special kind of stupid.

On the other side of the coin we're supposed to believe that this just flew right on through Black Arrow.  They're total nitwits but I don't believe that either. 

I think there's a lot more going on here than those assholes at Black Arrow are telling people.   

In the meantime they've justified, based on their word only without any supporting evidence whatsoever being offered, fucking MS customers and totally cutting them loose.  That they would do THAT is something I do believe, as these people have proven nothing if not that they will fuck people whenever and however possible.

Matt is as fucking bad as BA but yes it is funny he managed to fuck them back. However on the same token because of this he's just fucked anyone that had outstanding orders from MS... they definitely ain't gonna get shit now

You forgot the part where you can paid Matt to host the miner for you, of which you may or may not get your mining rewards payout.

If you check his account, you see he's no longer listed as "staff".

Nothing at this FUBAR company would surprise me any more.

I love MinerSource. They have the perfect business. They take pre-orders, receive product from suppliers, but then keep both the money and the hardware! Now that's some serious profit margins!

I know.  A first year accounting student would literally know better.  It's hysterical.

I wonder who was the genius that did this (assuming it is in any way true and not just some insurance scam or something).  Please tell me it was that arrogant shit-stain Alexey, head of customer service.  I'd absolutely piss myself.....

HAHA makes me laugh more and more every time I read it, BA, I hope you read this thread too as I really don't want to create another account just to tell you how stupid and incompetent you are.  I mean really?  You shipped 137 miners that weren't paid for??  HAHA checks and balances ftw am I right.  Sure sucks to be the one that gets screwed over doesn't it?  Still not sure why you would post that here as if anyone would have any sympathy for your lying sorry asses.

Pasting this here for archival purposes

if it's true it's fucking hilarious.

Hello, Black Arrow?  Please ship me the 250 miners you owe me.

Errrr, Derp, OK, just let me find a few boxes and I'll send them right out.




On the one hand I do not believe it, because everything they say and, in particular everything BlackArrow says, is utter bullshit.

On the other hand they've proven to be nothing if not utterly incompetent, so it's possible that someone could steal something from them from the other side of the planet that they would have to box and ship to the supposed thief themselves.  That takes a special kind of stupid, to be found in few places, but Black Arrow has proven that it is certainly one of them.

Hey motherfuckers, good luck having a judgement enforced.   Shoe is on the other foot now isn't it assholes??   bahahaha!