Topic: Recovery program beginning in January for PB Mining customers. - page 55. (Read 143950 times)

YOU ARE THE MOST SCREWED UP DUMB ASS MOTHER FUCKER EVER. YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID. if thats what happened he is even more responsible. that would mean he didnt even have any mining to sell. our contracts are with him. if he falls victim it has nothing to do with us. everybody in the world that owed money could just say something happened to them-therefore no pay back.. you are a jack ass dumb fuck.. excuses for theft are not reasonable-fuck off

Does your definition of a Ponzi includes honest admission by the "scammer" that he is in a dire situation and efforts to recover ?

Personally, I'm still not convinced lunamine is a scammer
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So, lunamine, since you are probably reading this, have some courage and say whatever happened. If you are victim of some "blackmail", then please do know that the best answer to blackmail is to make the information public : blackmail then loses all leverage. This would be much better than to let your reputation, and people's willingness to grant you the benefit of doubt, go to shambles.

Does your definition of a Ponzi includes honest admission by the "scammer" that he is in a dire situation and efforts to recover ?

And on to the next ponzi we go.

I'm in Saskatoon and I'd be more than happy to take a lead on submitting a report. However, I'd have to be in ownership of a PB account I suspect. I'll have to figure out how I can purchase an account (probably here in the market would work) and then I'd be able to submit a report.

YOU ARE THE MOST SCREWED UP DUMB ASS MOTHER FUCKER EVER. YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID. if thats what happened he is even more responsible. that would mean he didnt even have any mining to sell. our contracts are with him. if he falls victim it has nothing to do with us. everybody in the world that owed money could just say something happened to them-therefore no pay back.. you are a jack ass dumb fuck.. excuses for theft are not reasonable-fuck off

And the mistery behind the "You agree you are not a Canadian" is solved.
This was all planed who belives hes trying to payback is a child.

yes. i think that are his real miner

Its like the  umpty-umpth time Ive seen this movie. Its getting boring. Warning, spoilers ahead:

- Obvious ponzi launches.
- Attracts hordes of fans/shills/sign beggars/ponzi pushers that post 'I have been paid, therefore its legit'
- People with common sense point out the obvious (duh, its a yet another ponzi)
- People who lack common sense or pretend to lack it, repeat ad nauseam "you cant prove its a ponzi"  and come up with the most creative and outrageous explanations for how it could work.  This is actually pretty neat for any scammer, dont bother writing an explanation for how you generate impossible profits, people will fill in the blanks for you.
- Ponzi collapses and Kübler-Ross model sets in in at varying speeds for different people: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Many still seem stuck in phase 1.

And on to the next ponzi we go.

Ponzi collapses and Kübler-Ross model sets in in at varying speeds for different people: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Many still seem stuck in phase 1.

I think he just tries to convince himself

And the mistery behind the "You agree you are not a Canadian" is solved.
This was all planed who belives hes trying to payback is a child.

I'm in Saskatoon and I'd be more than happy to take a lead on submitting a report. However, I'd have to be in ownership of a PB account I suspect. I'll have to figure out how I can purchase an account (probably here in the market would work) and then I'd be able to submit a report.

And the mistery behind the "You agree you are not a Canadian" is solved.
This was all planed who belives hes trying to payback is a child.

Following what I said earlier, I think Jason obviously either is a victim of blackmail or not. However if he wants to move forward it may not matter whether the persecution claims are true anyway. However, if he is the victim as such, as I said before he may have been lured into buying even cheaper "wholesale bitcoin mining contracts" than what he was selling. So then last week they say "Surprise, there is no generation of BTC and by the way the coins we were feeding you were actually a loan" or something similar "and furthermore we want pay-back with 22% interest or we harm you and/or family and let your customers know they are a victim of a ponzi scenario."

So let's say that is actually what happened. Sorry for confusing the issue earlier in thinking he too was a victim of a larger ponzi scheme that is falling apart now, but that certainly is possible too. However I think ponzi schemes are traps investing providers fall into and they are too weak willed to come clean until it is way too late. I doubt that another weak willed provider of a larger ponzi scheme in this case would be credibly threatening him and/or his family. Instead I think it simply a case where he is victim of loansharking on a multi-million dollar scale, and I believe the loans of BTC came from an international source like Russia or China. I suppose there even could be more than one source of them. At least I think this is the scenario he wants us to believe.

So the question is now, what should he do if indeed this is the case or even if he is pretending this is what happened?

• My suggestion to him is to in fact, buy BTC on the open market with his own and/or family borrowed money. Ironically of course, his family will not have loan sharking terms for him but hopefully give him interest free money. My thought, I reiterate, is he does come from a family of big money and that's why he was able to make his website work as smoothly as it has for almost a year. My thinking is he is used to very high expectations and has legitimate business connections and knowledge that let him operate at this level. I bet there have been family members who have been warning him all along that things sounded fishy and he should be very careful etc. Note: so far I don't think he is doing this a the BTC price has stayed around $350 for the last few days and I'm guessing if someone is trying to buy 1000's of bitcoins the price would be rising quickly.
• He then should pay off the loan sharks for every BTC they have provided to him over the past year that they claimed was derived from mining, along with say 22% interest they are blackmailing him for. He can then wipe his hands clean of the loan sharks.
• Next and definitely concurrently, he should refund also with BTC purchased on the open market with Canadian dollars or just dollars flat out, all who have lost faith in him with BTC at the rate at which they bought GHs at. He could also add a bit of interest for the inconvenience of breaking the contract too .
• Then for his remaining customers he should do the hard and expensive work of finding legitimate wholesale providers like any good business person and again he needs again to pay for this out his and/or his family's pocket.
• Finally he needs to cooperate with Sgt. Failler, The Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre and this forum and come completely clean about what happened and what he has done and will be doing as he is doing it. Are any Americans having any luck with the Anti-Fraud Centre site? I'm trying to get a key and all. In the wee hours it errored out on me. Now it says it doesn't recognize my Email so I have to reregister.

And let me reiterate this is going to be extremely expensive for him literally, emotionally and mentally, but if the is the scenario that occurred or even if it is just what he wants us to believe this is what is going on and he has some honesty as a business person and human being it is a way out and a way forward. He needs to pay off anyone who wants an immediate refund in Canadian dollars say at 150% of the going rate for GHs right away and he needs to be under law enforcement supervision right away too.

I made a report to the Royal Canadian Mounties online Anti-Fraud Centre. THe website is working now for me.

I also received a call back from Valerie, the civilian assistant to Officer Failler. She reports that she cannot start a case unless a Saskatoon resident makes a complaint, so if there are any readers of this thread who are from Saskatoon and are not showing their normal returns and are worried about this all falling apart like the rest of us are worried, you might be the one to get some action finally going.

Otherwise Valerie, who according to department procedure won't give her last name, reported that all of us in the states and Canada have to make a report to our local police and they then are supposed to send a report to the Saskatoon police. You are supposed to tell the officer you spoke with Valerie (so do call her before making the report) and to give the officer Valerie's direct number: 306-975-8243. This is the normal procedure for fraud like this. Write to me if you want to know the time frames involved.

Valerie reported she is not a an officer but a civilian. By the way I saw a reference to other responsibility of officer failler. He has to deal with about 1000 stolen autos in Saskatoon every year, show please show some sensitivity to what goes on in that office besides fraud and this possible particular one.