Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. - page 24.

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Quote from: criptix on January 24, 2017, 08:56:27 AM

Climate science easy to understand and not complex.
You two are high iq for sure. Roll Eyes

There is a reason humanity can barely forecast weather for the next 3 days.
And the reason is not because climate is something easily understandable.

Climate is a physical system that includes thousands and more factors that play together.

Short: showing a chart from 1980 and saying we have no global warming is really smart

It's a bit useless to post here man.

They're not difficult to be proved wrong. We have done it multiple times already.
It's just that once they're proven wrong they stop answering for a week or so and then they start again the activity of the thread like nothing has happened...

I think we proved them wrong around 4 or 5 times already.
But they're exactly like religious fanatics, you can't get them to say what their sacred books forbid ^^

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Quote from: tvbcof on January 24, 2017, 09:31:45 PM

Quote from: criptix on January 24, 2017, 08:56:27 AM

Climate science easy to understand and not complex.
You two are high iq for sure. Roll Eyes

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No, climate science is quite complex. It's your 'global climate change' scam which is rudimentary and quite easy to understand.

Climate science does not exist.

There is study of glaciers. Bogs and permafrost. Ancient whalebones in Baffin Bay. Solar phenomena, including sunspots and internal dynamics.

All these fall under the misnomer of "climate science," but each is a scientific subject in it's own right.

And there can be no "science" based on ground based thermometers and their adjustments, without supporting data as to how the adjustments were made and why.

Think about that one...

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Quote from: criptix on January 24, 2017, 08:56:27 AM

Climate science easy to understand and not complex.
You two are high iq for sure. Roll Eyes

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No, climate science is quite complex. It's your 'global climate change' scam which is rudimentary and quite easy to understand.

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Quote from: criptix on January 24, 2017, 08:56:27 AM

Climate science easy to understand and not complex.
You two are high iq for sure. Roll Eyes

There is a reason humanity can barely forecast weather for the next 3 days.
And the reason is not because climate is something easily understandable.

Climate is a physical system that includes thousands and more factors that play together.

Short: showing a chart from 1980 and saying we have no global warming is really smart

NO! There is only one factor. Exxon. All global warming is the fault of evil capitalists of Exxon. (Full disclosure, above statement funded by Saudi Oil Supreme)

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Quote from: criptix on January 24, 2017, 08:56:27 AM

Climate science easy to understand and not complex.
You two are high iq for sure. Roll Eyes

There is a reason humanity can barely forecast weather for the next 3 days.
And the reason is not because climate is something easily understandable.

Climate is a physical system that includes thousands and more factors that play together.

Short: showing a chart from 1980 and saying we have no global warming is really smart

Even if there was global warming this year global cooling began. I think the earth is such a self-regulatory body that he will cope with such changes. There are people without it to do. Let him do his job and the earth will do their.

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Climate science easy to understand and not complex.
You two are high iq for sure. Roll Eyes

There is a reason humanity can barely forecast weather for the next 3 days.
And the reason is not because climate is something easily understandable.

Climate is a physical system that includes thousands and more factors that play together.

Short: showing a chart from 1980 and saying we have no global warming is really smart

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Quote from: tvbcof on January 23, 2017, 09:21:17 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2017, 06:27:22 PM

Quote from: criptix on January 23, 2017, 10:36:06 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 05:04:47 PM

Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 04:56:49 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 04:49:15 PM

I understood the argument, no problem. Here it is again.

He's claiming that it's easy for people to see through the conspiracy theorist bullshit (the bible in his example) because anyone can and should read (the science) and are easily able to realize it's legitimate?

The Internet has leveled the playing field for science, so that I can read technical articles on climate change.

This statement is sadly wrong.
Reading doesnt mean you understand it.
The case is that most people (non scientist) dont understand the math, physics, biology, chemistry etc involved and therefore dont get the whole picture.

Majority of people on this planet dont have more then basic school education.

I agree that most people don't understand what I say about climate science. They read what I say but don't understand. Therefore they should shut up and accept my status as Lordly Priest of Inner Sanctum of Denier Hillbillies.

The whole 'global climate change' scam is easy to see from a scientific, an economic, or at political standpoint. Anyone with an IQ above average can easily see it with only a little bit of extra study which can easily be performed on one's own.

You people think you are so clever with this 'sophisticated' climate scam, or are dupes yourselves. That is really pathetic because the scam is not complex at all. Two examples which are in the same category:

- Relatives die might go to purgatory, and you can get them out of it and to Heaven by giving the church some extra money.

- 'Cloward-Piven strategy': We can achieve 'revolutionary change' by building a welfare state then collapsing it. In actual fact this is simple and obvious. It doesn't indicate that you guys are especially bright...simply that you are extra scummy douche-bags who don't care about your fellow humans and the suffering which they will undergo when the rug is pulled out from under them. Fuck off!

Who are you to argue against the plotline? This is settled fiction.

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2017, 06:27:22 PM

Quote from: criptix on January 23, 2017, 10:36:06 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 05:04:47 PM

Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 04:56:49 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 04:49:15 PM

I understood the argument, no problem. Here it is again.

He's claiming that it's easy for people to see through the conspiracy theorist bullshit (the bible in his example) because anyone can and should read (the science) and are easily able to realize it's legitimate?

The Internet has leveled the playing field for science, so that I can read technical articles on climate change.

This statement is sadly wrong.
Reading doesnt mean you understand it.
The case is that most people (non scientist) dont understand the math, physics, biology, chemistry etc involved and therefore dont get the whole picture.

Majority of people on this planet dont have more then basic school education.

I agree that most people don't understand what I say about climate science. They read what I say but don't understand. Therefore they should shut up and accept my status as Lordly Priest of Inner Sanctum of Denier Hillbillies.

The whole 'global climate change' scam is easy to see from a scientific, an economic, or at political standpoint. Anyone with an IQ above average can easily see it with only a little bit of extra study which can easily be performed on one's own.

You people think you are so clever with this 'sophisticated' climate scam, or are dupes yourselves. That is really pathetic because the scam is not complex at all. Two examples which are in the same category:

- Relatives die might go to purgatory, and you can get them out of it and to Heaven by giving the church some extra money.

- 'Cloward-Piven strategy': We can achieve 'revolutionary change' by building a welfare state then collapsing it. In actual fact this is simple and obvious. It doesn't indicate that you guys are especially bright...simply that you are extra scummy douche-bags who don't care about your fellow humans and the suffering which they will undergo when the rug is pulled out from under them. Fuck off!

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Quote from: criptix on January 23, 2017, 10:36:06 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 05:04:47 PM

Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 04:56:49 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 04:49:15 PM

I understood the argument, no problem. Here it is again.

He's claiming that it's easy for people to see through the conspiracy theorist bullshit (the bible in his example) because anyone can and should read (the science) and are easily able to realize it's legitimate?

The Internet has leveled the playing field for science, so that I can read technical articles on climate change.

This statement is sadly wrong.
Reading doesnt mean you understand it.
The case is that most people (non scientist) dont understand the math, physics, biology, chemistry etc involved and therefore dont get the whole picture.

Majority of people on this planet dont have more then basic school education.

I agree that most people don't understand what I say about climate science. They read what I say but don't understand. Therefore they should shut up and accept my status as Lordly Priest of Inner Sanctum of Denier Hillbillies.

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 05:04:47 PM

Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 04:56:49 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 04:49:15 PM

I understood the argument, no problem. Here it is again.

He's claiming that it's easy for people to see through the conspiracy theorist bullshit (the bible in his example) because anyone can and should read (the science) and are easily able to realize it's legitimate?

The Internet has leveled the playing field for science, so that I can read technical articles on climate change.

This statement is sadly wrong.
Reading doesnt mean you understand it.
The case is that most people (non scientist) dont understand the math, physics, biology, chemistry etc involved and therefore dont get the whole picture.

Majority of people on this planet dont have more then basic school education.

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Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 07:58:44 PM

I rate this troll 10/10, almost as stubborn as a christian fundamentalist. I think I'll do my intelligence a favor and return to reality though, it's been fun!

Long term denier though I may be, you have a point there. What do you say, BTC-Joe? How about some, uh...consideration?

The question is not of the opposition of points of view, but of the clarity and understanding of the expression of them.

I think.

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I rate this troll 10/10, almost as stubborn as a christian fundamentalist. I think I'll do my intelligence a favor and return to reality though, it's been fun!

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Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 04:56:49 PM

He's claiming that it's easy for people to see through the conspiracy theorist bullshit (the bible in his example) because anyone can and should read (the science) and are easily able to realize it's legitimate?

Science is not a replacement for the bible, and trying to dismiss facts and skepticism as a "conspiracy theory" just won't work anymore - but it does make you look like a fool.

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Quote from: SgtMoth on January 22, 2017, 12:51:31 PM

Quote me on where I said bitcoin being the work of some japanese dude? Did you just post on a thread showing your level of stupid? demons,lol. Left wing nutcases is what they were, not demons. They tried to take over the world and to do that, you must kill millions. Now go back to your Alex Jones with your tinfoil hats.

That's the official story behind bitcoin - that it was a project started by a japanese guy with a curiosity about economic systems. Alex Jones doesn't shun bitcoin, but it's no secret that central bankers have been working hard to eliminate physical cash and anything else of value, like gold.

Yes, you're so "enlightened" and so sure that demons do not (or cannot) exist. Leftards will never take over the world, especially now that demons have been put on notice. They and their underlings will be vanquished. Alex Jones has been thoroughly vindicated. But thanks for repeating a meme. You're clearly a "free thinker". haha

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Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 11:51:42 AM

Science is a tool... and tools are meant to be used. Meant to be used by scientists. Do you understand what the word scientist means?

No bud, no. The scientific method can be applied by anyone. There are no arbitrary qualifications required to perform science, and a scientist is one who practices science - not one who has "permission" to "perform" science.

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Now that we've established there is a group of people that use science who we call scientists, it should then be fairly easy (for most people at least) to understand that said group of people can have agreements on scientific issues and develop a consensus among the scientific community. So again, I ask you what your credentials are to go against what these people are saying about climate change?

You haven't established anything other than your inability to think independently. You are repeating the same tired leftists tropes that have been said thousands of times before. Answer my question, or shut up. That is how a discussion works...but as we can clearly see, you cannot answer my question which is why you're several responses in and still trying to deflect.

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Also, climate gate has been debunked for years, leading scientists have been unequivocally reaffirming the consensus on global warming ever since, and my political party doesn't align with the left.

Wow, what a dipshit. He literally googled "climategate debunked" and posted the first couple of links that google spit out. This braindead zombie wants us to believe he knows what he's talking about, but he thinks that truth can be "debunked" with additional propaganda. LOL

"Leading scientists"? Who? Name one who isn't a leftard shill, and then list a single contribution to science these "leading" scientists have made that would put them in the same class as actual leading scientists such as Einstein, Galileo, or, especially Tesla.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on January 22, 2017, 05:07:55 AM

Many youth in schools are indoctrinated in the idea they should not believe in anything which lacks conclusive evidence.

This is why climate change denialists exist..

They think they should not believe in climate change unless someone can prove 100% it is real.

Indeed!
While in reality nothing can be 100% proven!

You got to be able to think and act on theories, theories based on probabilities and multitude facts!

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Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 04:56:49 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 04:49:15 PM

I understood the argument, no problem. Here it is again.

He's claiming that it's easy for people to see through the conspiracy theorist bullshit (the bible in his example) because anyone can and should read (the science) and are easily able to realize it's legitimate?

The Internet has leveled the playing field for science, so that I can read technical articles on climate change. By contrast as late as the 1990s that required a visit to a university library, which most people didn't even know where or how to get to. The pseudo scientific con games of global warming, invented by Al Gore et al in 1988, prior to these changes.

Sciency Priests, lol....

By the way the presentation of the "flat line RSS measurements" back to 1996 shows a very important fact. That RSS temperature has not changed for a statistically significant period of time means that alarmist calculations of "Climate sensitivity" are proven wrong. In plain terms, natural variability plays a greater role than man's contribution.

Subtle point, but important.

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2017, 04:49:15 PM

I understood the argument, no problem. Here it is again.

He's claiming that it's easy for people to see through the conspiracy theorist bullshit (the bible in his example) because anyone can and should read (the science) and are easily able to realize it's legitimate?

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Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 12:55:31 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on January 22, 2017, 12:50:13 PM

Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 12:23:03 PM

Not sure what you're getting at bringing religion into the conversation. ...

I think you probably are, but I'm not certain of this.

I might be, but I'm not certain either, which is why I asked...

I understood the argument, no problem. Here it is again.

One of the features of the new-age religion being pumped is that it tries to elevate 'scientists' to a priest class who cannot be questioned by mere mortals. I call them 'scientpriests.'

There is a bumpy patch here in that some scientists don't necessarily cop to the official dogma at all times. It's a particularly large problem for scientists who have tenure, or Nobel prizes, or are independently wealthy. Or are simply fans of the scientific method in general and have some ethical principles. They have the basic foundation to become heretics, and a fraction of these will not do so quietly and privately. This is why the new-age religion needs to criminalize 'climate skepticism'

In point of actual fact, about 50% of mortals have the basic capability to understand scientific principles well enough to see right through the fraud, and a small fraction of these peeps will do just that. Many others will make the right decisions about who is credible and who huckster whether because they bought-off, intimidated, or have extra-scientific philosophical elements at play.

Although ecclesiastical history is not my specialty, the whole new-age religion thing as it relates to 'science' has interesting parallels to the Cathlic reaction to the Protestant reformation in my understanding of it. The Catholics had their priests who were the only ones authorize to read the bible (or read anything at all for that matter.) Then Martin Luther came along and said 'Hey, this is bullshit! Anyone can and should read the fuckin' thing for themselves and think about it!'

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Quote from: tvbcof on January 22, 2017, 12:50:13 PM

Quote from: GMPoison on January 22, 2017, 12:23:03 PM

Not sure what you're getting at bringing religion into the conversation. ...

I think you probably are, but I'm not certain of this.

I might be, but I'm not certain either, which is why I asked...

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