Regulation: Brazil closes 2000 gambling sites

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on January 14, 2025, 05:48:32 AM

There is no good action coming from the Brazilian government, they are desperate to collect more simply because they are spending too much... There are 39 ministries and infinite commissioned positions that should not even exist, the president was a guy who was incarcerated shitting in a hole and out of nowhere he was elected, all of this has a very high price of vote buying and influence peddling, which means infinite spending of public money... and in the end it turns into a snowball.

Think with me criptoevangelista. There is no way a country that voted for an ex-convict twice in a row can succeed. It had a president named Dilma who was nothing more than a puppet who was impeached because of how disastrous it was. Adding up almost 20 years in power... such wasted time. What were the people thinking when they elected an ex-convict who only knows how to tax the people?

Now they have decided to tax PIX, which is the most widely used payment method, including in online casinos in brazil. Neighboring countries like Argentina were starting to use it. Now they have decided to go back on their word due to the abuse they received on social media, because of how bad it was for this government.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on January 14, 2025, 05:48:32 AM

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on January 09, 2025, 04:41:13 AM

Thank you for this update, it's a welcome development and more reason why the Brazilian government decided to take drastic measures on the gambling business in the country. The R$1.5 billion ($245,100,000 ) is big money, more will come soon. This shows how desperate the bookies are to retain their operation in the country and hints at how huge they are raking in on the Brazilian citizens and residents.
I wouldn't want to talk much about this because we know the numerous government obligations. And whether they use the tax well or not, that doesn't give the bookies the right to pocket all the money to themselves. The government should only be made accountable.

Yeah I just think that the government shouldn't take drastic measures that stifle the flow of capital and innovation. The gov should not even interfere where it's not called. How can some people not realize that every 'good action' by the government always has a reason behind it, which is to collect more and more money to pay the debts that are imposed on us and that were created by them? Unfortunately, it will not be different with the regulation of online casinos.

There is no good action coming from the Brazilian government, they are desperate to collect more simply because they are spending too much... There are 39 ministries and infinite commissioned positions that should not even exist, the president was a guy who was incarcerated shitting in a hole and out of nowhere he was elected, all of this has a very high price of vote buying and influence peddling, which means infinite spending of public money... and in the end it turns into a snowball.

I don't see it your way, go and do your findings, the Brazilian government are trying to sensitize their citizens on gambling, that is what I call a responsible government. And this tax of a thing is their right, or is it not? So whether they even use it judiciously or not is not the problem, but it is due to the government to collect. The citizens should then make their government accountable if they feel cheated. The responsibilities and obligations of the government at home and abroad are larger than you can think.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on January 09, 2025, 05:46:56 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on January 09, 2025, 04:41:13 AM

Thank you for this update, it's a welcome development and more reason why the Brazilian government decided to take drastic measures on the gambling business in the country. The R$1.5 billion ($245,100,000 ) is big money, more will come soon. This shows how desperate the bookies are to retain their operation in the country and hints at how huge they are raking in on the Brazilian citizens and residents.
I wouldn't want to talk much about this because we know the numerous government obligations. And whether they use the tax well or not, that doesn't give the bookies the right to pocket all the money to themselves. The government should only be made accountable.

Yeah I just think that the government shouldn't take drastic measures that stifle the flow of capital and innovation. The gov should not even interfere where it's not called. How can some people not realize that every 'good action' by the government always has a reason behind it, which is to collect more and more money to pay the debts that are imposed on us and that were created by them? Unfortunately, it will not be different with the regulation of online casinos.

There is no good action coming from the Brazilian government, they are desperate to collect more simply because they are spending too much... There are 39 ministries and infinite commissioned positions that should not even exist, the president was a guy who was incarcerated shitting in a hole and out of nowhere he was elected, all of this has a very high price of vote buying and influence peddling, which means infinite spending of public money... and in the end it turns into a snowball.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on January 09, 2025, 04:41:13 AM

Thank you for this update, it's a welcome development and more reason why the Brazilian government decided to take drastic measures on the gambling business in the country. The R$1.5 billion ($245,100,000 ) is big money, more will come soon. This shows how desperate the bookies are to retain their operation in the country and hints at how huge they are raking in on the Brazilian citizens and residents.
I wouldn't want to talk much about this because we know the numerous government obligations. And whether they use the tax well or not, that doesn't give the bookies the right to pocket all the money to themselves. The government should only be made accountable.

Yeah I just think that the government shouldn't take drastic measures that stifle the flow of capital and innovation. The gov should not even interfere where it's not called. How can some people not realize that every 'good action' by the government always has a reason behind it, which is to collect more and more money to pay the debts that are imposed on us and that were created by them? Unfortunately, it will not be different with the regulation of online casinos.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 09, 2025, 08:50:19 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on January 09, 2025, 05:38:14 AM

One thing is for sure, when a person truly knows about Bitcoin and becomes an anarcho-capitalist, he starts to completely ignore the decisions of governments, especially leftist ones, and if they try to impose some kind of blockade, the citizen starts to use alternatives to maintain his freedom. Today, the Internet is a tool for freedom, no government has to decide what citizens should or should not consume, blocking things is a strong sign of dictatorships and charismatic leaders... anyway. I continue to gamble and I don't care about blocks... TOR is my friend in these times. I don't care about these rulers, to tell the truth.

We believe that we have freedom living in this world, but yes, we also accept the reality that the government would do their best to regulate things like gambling to follow the law and gambling rules. That is why we (gamblers) are also affected and suffer when we are playing casinos that are not following the rules as well.

Sometimes we can say it is unfair. Maybe, but we should follow what is written in the law, or else we will face the consequences of our doings.

Of course, we can't stop you from what you believe. Indeed, it was life and whatever happens to you, is all yours.

For this, we have the most powerful tool in the world: Bitcoin. We can play at any casino that accepts it, meaning that the lives of those who bet continue to flow normally... I think it's a terrible sign for a government to start deciding what a citizen should or shouldn't consume... I think it's an abuse and practically the behavior of a dictator. The only person who should know what is good or not is the person themselves. And it's like you said, everyone assumes their own responsibilities in the choices we make, and we must accept the good and the bad side of that choice.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on January 09, 2025, 05:38:14 AM

One thing is for sure, when a person truly knows about Bitcoin and becomes an anarcho-capitalist, he starts to completely ignore the decisions of governments, especially leftist ones, and if they try to impose some kind of blockade, the citizen starts to use alternatives to maintain his freedom. Today, the Internet is a tool for freedom, no government has to decide what citizens should or should not consume, blocking things is a strong sign of dictatorships and charismatic leaders... anyway. I continue to gamble and I don't care about blocks... TOR is my friend in these times. I don't care about these rulers, to tell the truth.

We believe that we have freedom living in this world, but yes, we also accept the reality that the government would do their best to regulate things like gambling to follow the law and gambling rules. That is why we (gamblers) are also affected and suffer when we are playing casinos that are not following the rules as well.

Sometimes we can say it is unfair. Maybe, but we should follow what is written in the law, or else we will face the consequences of our doings.

Of course, we can't stop you from what you believe. Indeed, it was life and whatever happens to you, is all yours.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on January 09, 2025, 05:38:14 AM

One thing is for sure, when a person truly knows about Bitcoin and becomes an anarcho-capitalist, he starts to completely ignore the decisions of governments, especially leftist ones, and if they try to impose some kind of blockade, the citizen starts to use alternatives to maintain his freedom. Today, the Internet is a tool for freedom, no government has to decide what citizens should or should not consume, blocking things is a strong sign of dictatorships and charismatic leaders... anyway. I continue to gamble and I don't care about blocks... TOR is my friend in these times. I don't care about these rulers, to tell the truth.

I hadn't seen this updated list
I don't have much to say, other than what has already been said here
The government found a way to raise more money, it just made them pay and that was it, it didn't improve anything at all, they didn't do anything good for the bookmakers or the users

I don't even need to tell you which gambling service I use and will continue to use Cheesy

I'm glad crypto exist

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Quote from: hedgeh0g on January 09, 2025, 05:18:54 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 31, 2024, 04:05:40 PM

Today, an article was published on the internet about the casinos authorized to operate in Brazil as of January 1, 2025. Some have permanent licenses and others have provisional licenses. I tested some of the casinos that would "theoretically" be banned and they all work perfectly here at my house... I tested them at my mother's house a few days ago and they are all blocked, so probably some providers did not comply with the Brazilian government's order, possibly the smaller providers where inspection is more complicated.

Here is a link to the news with the list of casinos authorized to operate (in Portuguese):

https://epocanegocios.globo.com/brasil/noticia/2024/12/confira-lista-de-bets-autorizadas-a-operar-a-partir-desta-quarta-feira-1o-confira.ghtml

This is probably true, but I didn't expect everything to be strictly and strictly observed. I also have no doubt that casinos will still find various ways to continue their activities in any case. Because they love the profit they received and it is extremely difficult to refuse such a thing. I do not exclude the possibility that some casinos will negotiate with those who can influence the decision to include them in the list of prohibited casinos in order not to get there. Nevertheless, it is good that such lists appear at all, it means that the situation will gradually improve.

One thing is for sure, when a person truly knows about Bitcoin and becomes an anarcho-capitalist, he starts to completely ignore the decisions of governments, especially leftist ones, and if they try to impose some kind of blockade, the citizen starts to use alternatives to maintain his freedom. Today, the Internet is a tool for freedom, no government has to decide what citizens should or should not consume, blocking things is a strong sign of dictatorships and charismatic leaders... anyway. I continue to gamble and I don't care about blocks... TOR is my friend in these times. I don't care about these rulers, to tell the truth.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 31, 2024, 04:05:40 PM

Today, an article was published on the internet about the casinos authorized to operate in Brazil as of January 1, 2025. Some have permanent licenses and others have provisional licenses. I tested some of the casinos that would "theoretically" be banned and they all work perfectly here at my house... I tested them at my mother's house a few days ago and they are all blocked, so probably some providers did not comply with the Brazilian government's order, possibly the smaller providers where inspection is more complicated.

Here is a link to the news with the list of casinos authorized to operate (in Portuguese):

https://epocanegocios.globo.com/brasil/noticia/2024/12/confira-lista-de-bets-autorizadas-a-operar-a-partir-desta-quarta-feira-1o-confira.ghtml

This is probably true, but I didn't expect everything to be strictly and strictly observed. I also have no doubt that casinos will still find various ways to continue their activities in any case. Because they love the profit they received and it is extremely difficult to refuse such a thing. I do not exclude the possibility that some casinos will negotiate with those who can influence the decision to include them in the list of prohibited casinos in order not to get there. Nevertheless, it is good that such lists appear at all, it means that the situation will gradually improve.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 26, 2024, 05:48:09 PM

The brazilian government has already collected around R$1.5 billion as of 12/19/2024.

Around 50 betting companies have already attempted the regularization process and have already made the payment.

Thank you for this update, it's a welcome development and more reason why the Brazilian government decided to take drastic measures on the gambling business in the country. The R$1.5 billion ($245,100,000 ) is big money, more will come soon. This shows how desperate the bookies are to retain their operation in the country and hints at how huge they are raking in on the Brazilian citizens and residents.

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As expected, whenever a market prospers in the country, the government takes great strides to increase its revenue, but it always ends up closing the year in deficit with a lot of public spending and the population suffers from poor services or does not have the money to hire the same services privately. Where is all this money collected going?

I wouldn't want to talk much about this because we know the numerous government obligations. And whether they use the tax well or not, that doesn't give the bookies the right to pocket all the money to themselves. The government should only be made accountable.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 31, 2024, 04:05:40 PM

Today, an article was published on the internet about the casinos authorized to operate in Brazil as of January 1, 2025. Some have permanent licenses and others have provisional licenses. I tested some of the casinos that would "theoretically" be banned and they all work perfectly here at my house... I tested them at my mother's house a few days ago and they are all blocked, so probably some providers did not comply with the Brazilian government's order, possibly the smaller providers where inspection is more complicated.

Here is a link to the news with the list of casinos authorized to operate (in Portuguese):

https://epocanegocios.globo.com/brasil/noticia/2024/12/confira-lista-de-bets-autorizadas-a-operar-a-partir-desta-quarta-feira-1o-confira.ghtml

We know that new taxes and regulations don't change anything good for the brazilian population, they only change things for the worse, since the new costs of licenses to operate in brazil and taxes will be passed on to the gambling consumer.

This excuse from the government to combat fraud, money laundering AML and abusive advertising in casinos never works for me, since the casinos themselves can implement their own guidelines and rules and everyone can play if they want.

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 29, 2024, 06:40:49 AM

The money from the casinos will probably be diverted to the pockets of politicians through parliamentary amendments... Did you see that they are planning to tax pets? Imagine having to pay taxes for having a cat or a dog, unbelievable

I saw it, it's ridiculous and shameful how far we've come. Only those who don't want to see that this is a government eager to drain the population.

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Today, an article was published on the internet about the casinos authorized to operate in Brazil as of January 1, 2025. Some have permanent licenses and others have provisional licenses. I tested some of the casinos that would "theoretically" be banned and they all work perfectly here at my house... I tested them at my mother's house a few days ago and they are all blocked, so probably some providers did not comply with the Brazilian government's order, possibly the smaller providers where inspection is more complicated.

Here is a link to the news with the list of casinos authorized to operate (in Portuguese):

https://epocanegocios.globo.com/brasil/noticia/2024/12/confira-lista-de-bets-autorizadas-a-operar-a-partir-desta-quarta-feira-1o-confira.ghtml

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 26, 2024, 05:48:09 PM

The brazilian government has already collected around R$1.5 billion as of 12/19/2024.

Around 50 betting companies have already attempted the regularization process and have already made the payment.

As expected, whenever a market prospers in the country, the government takes great strides to increase its revenue, but it always ends up closing the year in deficit with a lot of public spending and the population suffers from poor services or does not have the money to hire the same services privately.

Where is all this money collected going?

This is crazy, this Brazilian government only cares about taxing and increasing taxes, but public services are getting worse and worse.

The money from the casinos will probably be diverted to the pockets of politicians through parliamentary amendments... Did you see that they are planning to tax pets? Imagine having to pay taxes for having a cat or a dog, unbelievable

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The brazilian government has already collected around R$1.5 billion as of 12/19/2024.

Around 50 betting companies have already attempted the regularization process and have already made the payment.

As expected, whenever a market prospers in the country, the government takes great strides to increase its revenue, but it always ends up closing the year in deficit with a lot of public spending and the population suffers from poor services or does not have the money to hire the same services privately.

Where is all this money collected going?

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Quote from: bubilas on December 18, 2024, 01:18:00 AM

As far as I understood from the news - Brazil does not ban absolutely all online casino titles within its providers. And even if they did this, then any Brazilian can use VPN services and then any casino site will open without problems.

Did you think this through at all? It's more dangerous than you think. First, Brazil is only trying to make them more accountable in terms of security, inflow/outflow and tax payments, which are very good and productive for the country. And of course, some might later cooperate with the government, but others that are international and are doing so well may never oblige them.

However, it is better for Brazilians to just quit those casinos immediately and patronise the local ones in order to cooperate with their government. The use of a VPN might put them in trouble and cause their accounts to be locked and their money seized.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 18, 2024, 05:22:35 AM

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So what if the government closes casinos? People will still find a way to gamble. Trust me. It won't solve anything. It will be much worse with taxes. There won't be any at all. Casinos bring good money to the state treasury, and now that will stop. So who won here? It's not that simple. Those citizens who depend on social benefits will also suffer from this. There will be less money for the development of the country. I hope you understand what I'm writing about.

I’d like to correct your impression. The announcement doesn’t mean no money will go to the treasury in the form of taxes. They’re banning casinos that don’t comply with regulations, which means those casinos were operating illegally and weren’t paying taxes anyway. Now, the goal is to make sure everyone who operates must comply with the law and register, which ensures they’ll pay taxes.

In short, this initiative doesn’t drive away taxes; it actually does the opposite.

It's time for their government to take part of those unregulated business, just like what you said they're doing the opposite they wanted to make sure that those facialtating casino places/sites needs to comply with their regulation, and that's will bring them taxes once every casino will comply as they'll be force to follow the government rules.

That's one of those factor the government will compensated once they successfully prohibited those casino who are not following thier rules.

We do know that government do really not like into those business that operate illegally on which as much as possible these things should be regulated and needing to pay up some tax. It is really just that a common action to take by the government on trying to close down who arent that regulated on which its not surprising that there will be those platforms or business that operates illegaly or having no license because they do really that avoiding on getting taxed. We do know that gambling businesses are profitable business or generates good revenue but we do know that not all will really be having that willing to get licensed and thats why government will really be taking up such action for them to at least getting some taxes and make those places or business to have licenses.

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Quote from: vino.gcs on December 18, 2024, 09:38:09 AM

in very poor countries there is no such culture but in other countries it certainly is and everyone gambles on

I could not agree with you. Every country has a rule and regulations some countries might have no regulations for the gambling business some might have regulations on gambling and some countries might not allow gambling. But this does not depend on the rich/poor. It may depend on several things eg: risk, religion, age, and something like that.

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in these countries gambling is certainly the regulatory basis for example in India this is not registered at all and in very poor countries there is no such culture but in other countries it certainly is and everyone gambles on everything I remember when I saw Thailand and they had absurd cockfights, and regulating the sites seems to me to be the basis

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Quote from: Maslate on December 18, 2024, 03:30:03 AM

Quote from: fruktik on December 18, 2024, 01:39:08 AM

So what if the government closes casinos? People will still find a way to gamble. Trust me. It won't solve anything. It will be much worse with taxes. There won't be any at all. Casinos bring good money to the state treasury, and now that will stop. So who won here? It's not that simple. Those citizens who depend on social benefits will also suffer from this. There will be less money for the development of the country. I hope you understand what I'm writing about.

I’d like to correct your impression. The announcement doesn’t mean no money will go to the treasury in the form of taxes. They’re banning casinos that don’t comply with regulations, which means those casinos were operating illegally and weren’t paying taxes anyway. Now, the goal is to make sure everyone who operates must comply with the law and register, which ensures they’ll pay taxes.

In short, this initiative doesn’t drive away taxes; it actually does the opposite.

It's time for their government to take part of those unregulated business, just like what you said they're doing the opposite they wanted to make sure that those facialtating casino places/sites needs to comply with their regulation, and that's will bring them taxes once every casino will comply as they'll be force to follow the government rules.

That's one of those factor the government will compensated once they successfully prohibited those casino who are not following thier rules.

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Of course, there should be regulation in the gambling sphere, and this concerns not only Brazil, but any other country. On the other hand, you can look at countries around the world and adopt some of their experience in this sphere, because everything has long been invented and the result is visible, you just need to choose the path that the state will take in regulating gambling.

In addition to the fact that Brazil closed these sites, more sites may come in their place, so it is better to simply approve those in which you can play and make the tax on winnings for ordinary players transparent and not very large, that's all. I think many people are simply overcomplicating this task and if all competent people from the spheres that concern gambling in the country gather, then a solution can be found very quickly.

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