Topic: Regulation: Brazil closes 2000 gambling sites - page 2. (Read 2004 times)

It means that part of the reasons for closing down the casinos in Brazil, is to protect the citizens from addiction and diverting the aid given to them for gambling. I'm guessing that gambling addiction rate in Brazil, should be on the high side for their government to take this drastic and proactive step to curb the rate of irresponsible gambling on the ordinary citizens who survives on grants. Since they can't totally control how the citizens spend their money, it makes sense to curb illegal casinos to reduce the places where the grant benefactors might spend the money. Another reason should be if the gambling sites are not adhering to their government regulations, that means that it is justifiable to shut them down.

I’d like to correct your impression. The announcement doesn’t mean no money will go to the treasury in the form of taxes. They’re banning casinos that don’t comply with regulations, which means those casinos were operating illegally and weren’t paying taxes anyway. Now, the goal is to make sure everyone who operates must comply with the law and register, which ensures they’ll pay taxes.

In short, this initiative doesn’t drive away taxes; it actually does the opposite.

So what if the government closes casinos? People will still find a way to gamble. Trust me. It won't solve anything. It will be much worse with taxes. There won't be any at all. Casinos bring good money to the state treasury, and now that will stop. So who won here? It's not that simple. Those citizens who depend on social benefits will also suffer from this. There will be less money for the development of the country. I hope you understand what I'm writing about.

As far as I understood from the news - Brazil does not ban absolutely all online casino titles within its providers. And even if they did this, then any Brazilian can use VPN services and then any casino site will open without problems.
And that means all these measures to close casinos by the government mean nothing. Now if the casinos themselves were interested in the guys from Brazil not being able to enter the sites, then the owners of online casinos would easily not allow verification for Brazil on their sites, and would ban according to the promotion and unique device identifier.

That is the difficult part for people to find and choose the casino to gambling. Actually, if the government steal the taxes they collect, people will not know (or know) but as long as their government can gives something that people wants, their citizen will not do something and will enjoy that. When their citizen can get what they need and not have a difficult to find, they will not protest to the government even if their government corrupt.

Relating to the shut down of many casinos in Brazil, their government must have their own reason that we don't know. They will not just tell public the real reason but they will use other reason that makes sense for their citizen.

I didn't read the news so I don't know the exact reason for the closure because it's impossible to do it without a reason.
Gambling will always be associated with bad things if that's the reason it can be said to be okay but if another reason such as politics is clearly very unfortunate, because we know that often things that are considered bad by society will be used by politicians to attract attention.
Gambling also provides income to the state and if the closure is because they are not licensed it is good so that their people only gamble at licensed casinos to also provide benefits to the state.

No matter how much the government collects here, the money will go down the drain, that is, most of it will not return to the population, only to pay the bills and debts of a government that never stops spending, doesn't cut costs and still spends on political luxuries and pensions.

There is no proven relationship between the ban or strong regulation of these casinos and the reduction of prostitution or drug trafficking. Even if they ban casinos, addicts will only be marginalized to the point of consuming anything prohibited. And banning something in brazil means nothing. Here, animal game (jogo do bixo) has been banned for generations and you can find it in fake bars.

There is no point in the government collecting so much tax but not managing it well. Countries that legalize gambling do not always solve their fiscal problems with excessive taxation.

I think you have a somewhat stereotypical view of brazil. Most of the time, when foreigners try to portray brazil through soap operas, games and media in general, they always end up exaggerating too much. See the example of the game Max Payne 3 where they mix several elements such as betrayal, the birth of a brazilian folklore legend (totally random). Sources below.

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The betting market is already free anyway, you just need to know how to choose the casino you will play at and use cryptocurrencies to eliminate borders and eliminate the state of meddling in what the citizen wants to do. Only those who do not have the specific knowledge to circumvent the dictatorial system are subject to any regulation. No government is concerned about the citizen, especially communist governments.

Or, it could be the fault of the people themselves since they know it’s illegal but still access it.

Take, for example, a popular casino licensed in a specific jurisdiction. They list the countries they don’t serve, but gamblers from restricted countries still find ways to gamble. If they knowingly access the casino, even when they know it’s illegal, do you think the casino would refuse the money coming in? Unless regulators or licensing providers require them to block certain IPs, that’s the only way gamblers would be unable to access. But even then, if there’s no KYC, it’s still possible for gamblers to use a VPN to bypass restrictions.

So, the real problem here isn’t necessarily the casino, but it’s the desperate gamblers, and even with regulations, they can’t control everything.

At the end of the day, it’s a case of a casino versus thousands of gamblers finding ways to keep gambling.

What does that have to do with regulating the gambling industry? Are you implying that because they’re corrupt, they’ll just steal the taxes they collect, so it’s better not to regulate at all and let it become a free market for both licensed and unlicensed operators?

The Brazilian government is a communist government full of corrupt people, including the current president, an ex-convict sentenced to 12 years in prison for corruption in all instances of the judiciary. He was only released because of a political maneuver involving a lot of influence peddling.

I do not defend any government because I am a libertarian and a bitcoiner, but it seems that you do not have much knowledge of what is happening in Brazil, which has not been a democracy for a long time.

Before this happens I have been screaming very hard that casinos are meant to exist under the control of centralized authorities, think about it, how can you run a casino under the control of centralised authorities without the approval of the government.

Yet people want to run illegal casinos, some people on here even prefer to use illegal casinos all because they don't want to pass KYC verifications, it is your problem whatever happens later.

Some people don't even know what illegal casinos are capable of, most of them are cover ups for illegal laundering of money, most are traced back to human trafficking and drug movements.

I’m not very familiar with the politics in this country, but it’s probably a new administration trying to implement these income-generating rules. Yes, it’s all about income as they want to regulate every casino and shut down those that aren’t complying.

Banning gamblers from accessing unregistered casinos would definitely hurt those who still have balances in them. I’m not sure if using a VPN would work to bypass the restriction, but I’m certain there’s an attached risk in using a VPN, especially for unlicensed casinos. It could lead to even more complications.

I’m just curious though, why are they only doing this now? The action isn’t about totally banning gambling but rather banning illegal gambling. If they had acted earlier, they could have already collected significant taxes. I guess that’s just how it is. With global regulatory pressure increasing, countries are being forced to improve their regulations to ensure that gambling operators have proper licenses before they can run their businesses.

I have so much respect to the government  that have actions towards illegal gambling and love their people to be saved because of those  abusive businesses .

also the Brazilian government is now doing their best to make changes that have been going on for long years.

Salute to Brazil President .

You sound more like a citizen from Brazil, but I doubt that is the case. Friend, let us not look at things on one side because we are gamblers, and we understand the pain of completely shutting down casinos in the country especially those who are in agony since most of the casinos are still holding their funds in them. We should look at other possible reasons for the government to take such action. Gambling is very addictive, and I am not a Brazilian, so I don't know what they are going through in terms of the effect of gambling on a person Brazilian citizen, or the entire society. Judging from movies it seems people in Brazil are mostly into drugs, gambling, and other activities which is a problem still in other countries. Shutting down gambling can be a way of not entertaining drug dealers and reducing the massive growth of prostitution and gambling addiction. We do know that people take dirty actions when they are addicted to gambling just for gambling capital.

Speaking from what you have said so far. Your points are valid. It's wise we still acknowledge the positive impact of gambling on the economy of a country. Brazil is not an exception here. If gambling is one sector where they can generate more funds for taxes and the country's revenue, then the government should be ready to find another means to generate the funds. If no other way, then it will affect the economy in a downturn. Making things worst for the citizens and its worst because gamblers who rely on gambling to survive will be poor.

Their government may have very solid reason why they closed down those sites - they may be running illegal in the first place, no license in their jurisdiction. Because it seems that they don't shut down other sites. The title should have been - Brazil closes down all gambling sites. That is, if they really are banning online gambling. So it means, they still have criteria why they are closing down those sites.

In Brazil, thousands of people receive what we call "bolsa familia" (family grant), which is government aid for needy families who are in vulnerable situations. This is normal for a populist government. But what is happening is that these people are using this financial aid to place bets in casinos that do not pay taxes, so the government decided to punish the casinos... and recently the news came out that the government itself has no way of controlling where people spend this money... it's a real mess.

Yes, this purpose is indeed very basic and to arrange for illegal casinos not to operate quietly,
and they also do not arbitrarily facilitate people to commit money laundering.

Illegal casinos like this are growing every day with tens of thousands of sites and not only in Brazil,
in some developing countries and in Asia such as Indonesia many sites have been blocked so that many people have also been caught.

Businesses that are very profitable and detrimental to many people like this need to be eradicated.

Some Legal casinos that are allowed by the government are certainly the casinos of choice,
but by doing KYC, and it happens in several developed and developing countries.

We discussed Brazil with my friends couple of days ago and they made me to understand that Brazil is one of the worse tax collecting countries you can find. They're huge amount of taxes on the citizens and outsiders is humungos making it seems as if they survive on it alone. But I wanted asking if the government doesn't have a well diversified economy which is bringing more stability to the financial system of the government rather than just imposing heavy tax duties on its citizenry. I also want to be clear if closing those gambling sites could boost their ability to tax more or reduce it and what's their ultimate guy.