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But why does the government have to interfere in people's lives? If someone is addicted to the point of harming their own life, it is a case of medical help and not government decisions, because for an extreme addict it doesn't matter if the government prohibits it, the addict will find a way to continue playing... For me, these decisions by the Brazilian government border on dictatorship and are an excuse to be able to collect money through taxes.
You’re not seeing the big picture here. Think of it as a large-scale problem. If the government lets its citizens get hooked on gambling, it’s only going to create bigger issues for the community - and those issues will eventually come back to haunt the government. Normally, they only ban gambling when addiction gets completely out of hand because they’d rather lose the tax revenue than deal with the fallout of a public health and financial crisis.
I agree with @freedomgo said because if many people gets addicted to gambling, that will gives a big problem for the government. They will difficult to handle the addicted people in gambling and that can also increase a crime as I see that could be related. When someone don't have money to playing gambling, he can commit a crime and that will harm other people. Yes, the government will lose the tax if they ban gambling from their country but that will be their citizens good. The government can finds a way out from getting the tax from the other things. But that will not guarantee for the underground casino because that casino can operate without anyone knows especially if more government officers involved.
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I saw headlines about this but I didn't know that 2000 gambling sites were closed down because of Brazil's new regulation. also, I saw one of our forum members posting here complaining that BC.GAME was one of the gambling sites that was restricted from operating in Brazil.
Like you, I also saw that post and it made me think as well that BC.GAME is the only casino that is banned on his country. Maybe he is not only aware of this post right here that it was a actually 2k gambling sites have been closed down already?

It is also possible that the decision of their government about the others were only late. The OP of that post have seem to abandoned his current BC.GAME campaign but I think it's okay if he continue because both links of the casino and forum aren't still the same but if it's about the payment issue where the payment of the campaign is being delivered straight on the user's gambling accounts, then maybe the manager or the owner can give an exception to this, only to retain some of their members.

I love it when I read this, which shows the government's seriousness in collaboration with licensed casinos/sportsbooks.
good luck to them, this is a big step. 
Ah, so this must be the reason of the closure of other/many gambling sites. It may not really be that a lot of people there are now addicted to it, which is still a good thing to know. Anyways, I am sure that the number of legal casinos are still more than those who are illegal and then with this new regulation on that country, those who are once illegal can now get forced to change, only for them to continue their operations. So the number of available casinos can still increase. People or gamblers living on that country should not worry.
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But why does the government have to interfere in people's lives? If someone is addicted to the point of harming their own life, it is a case of medical help and not government decisions, because for an extreme addict it doesn't matter if the government prohibits it, the addict will find a way to continue playing... For me, these decisions by the Brazilian government border on dictatorship and are an excuse to be able to collect money through taxes.

You’re not seeing the big picture here. Think of it as a large-scale problem. If the government lets its citizens get hooked on gambling, it’s only going to create bigger issues for the community - and those issues will eventually come back to haunt the government. Normally, they only ban gambling when addiction gets completely out of hand because they’d rather lose the tax revenue than deal with the fallout of a public health and financial crisis.
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I saw headlines about this but I didn't know that 2000 gambling sites were closed down because of Brazil's new regulation. also, I saw one of our forum members posting here complaining that BC.GAME was one of the gambling sites that was restricted from operating in Brazil.

I love it when I read this, which shows the government's seriousness in collaboration with licensed casinos/sportsbooks.
good luck to them, this is a big step.

Those are illegal sites according to them, so they will really have to close access to them as obviously they are not paying any tax to the government. But for those who are legal, they can still run, however, they will have to fully comply with the new regulations.

Perhaps there could be some groups that are happy with it, as Brazil could turn out to be another nation that will have a lot of gambling addicts. And if that happens, many Brazilians are going to have hit very hard. I mean we have heard horror stories already and as much as most of us here are gamblers, somewhat we don't what to see anyone becoming a addict and turning his life upside down.

But why does the government have to interfere in people's lives? If someone is addicted to the point of harming their own life, it is a case of medical help and not government decisions, because for an extreme addict it doesn't matter if the government prohibits it, the addict will find a way to continue playing... For me, these decisions by the Brazilian government border on dictatorship and are an excuse to be able to collect money through taxes.
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I saw headlines about this but I didn't know that 2000 gambling sites were closed down because of Brazil's new regulation. also, I saw one of our forum members posting here complaining that BC.GAME was one of the gambling sites that was restricted from operating in Brazil.

I love it when I read this, which shows the government's seriousness in collaboration with licensed casinos/sportsbooks.
good luck to them, this is a big step.

Those are illegal sites according to them, so they will really have to close access to them as obviously they are not paying any tax to the government. But for those who are legal, they can still run, however, they will have to fully comply with the new regulations.

Perhaps there could be some groups that are happy with it, as Brazil could turn out to be another nation that will have a lot of gambling addicts. And if that happens, many Brazilians are going to have hit very hard. I mean we have heard horror stories already and as much as most of us here are gamblers, somewhat we don't what to see anyone becoming a addict and turning his life upside down.
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Lula warned recently that betting was causing many low-income Brazilians to get into debt.

Excerpt from the link there but I don't think this is enough reason or should be part of the reason for taking such decision because gambling is not mandatory but choice, if you have decided not to stop despite consistently losing then it is not the fault of a genuine gambling site that pays tax to the government. I think the purpose for the decision should be to put them in regulated environment.
Oh, no, certainly not, Lula da Silva only said that for the love he has for his countrymen and has made sure actions are being taken to that effect.

I looked for information; maybe the whole reason for the closure of so many casinos in Brazil is that according to statistics, every ninth Brazilian plays in a casino. Moreover, every fourth person who received financial assistance becomes an addicted gambler and loses everything, right down to the contents of the refrigerator. These are truly threatening numbers.
The major reason why the Brazilian government brought up such a drastic decision is for more income generation. The government wants to tax those bookies gaining immensely from the Brazilians without little or no remitances. I would have called this selfish if not that the government had already started sensitization awareness even before the implementation.
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I saw headlines about this but I didn't know that 2000 gambling sites were closed down because of Brazil's new regulation. also, I saw one of our forum members posting here complaining that BC.GAME was one of the gambling sites that was restricted from operating in Brazil.

I love it when I read this, which shows the government's seriousness in collaboration with licensed casinos/sportsbooks.
good luck to them, this is a big step.
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I think that rather than them closing it with various unclear reasons and actually reducing the country revenue, of course it is better for the Brazilian government to take bold steps to regulate the gambling sector, because the existence of strict regulation can of course help ensure that the gambling industry operates with accountability and makes a fair contribution to the government through taxes, in addition it is possible for the government to supervise gambling operations and ensure that they comply with the laws and standards set very important, because with having clear regulations of course protecting consumers from unfair gambling practices and ensuring that they have access to help if they experience a gambling problem, regarding whether Brazilians will cooperate with the government, it depends on how effective the government is in communicating the benefits of the close, but  I think for those who really don't want to comply with government regulations of course the use of a VPN can be the solution.
Maybe those sites don't pay taxes so Brazilian government needs to close them all to see their reaction. If a business see one country is a big target of income, they will trying to penetrate inside the country and will follow the regulation from the government.

If some of the sites contact the government and ask for permission to registering their site in the government gambling whitelists, that will be a good sign for the government to get the taxes.

Many possibilities from the decision of the Brazilian government which we don't know for sure. But the government needs to communicate with their citizen about the danger of gambling and all things so they can understand what will happen to them.
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But with the use of VPN, it is for sure that many will still be able to gain access.
Using VPN means that you will only be gambling in the casino, but you will not be able to withdraw if Brazil is restricted by the casino. Meaning that they should be careful to read ToS of any casino they want to gamble on with VPN.
Yes, you're right. The users from there need to understand the risks and consequences that they're taking if they're going to do it like that.

The casinos have all the rights to do what's necessary to protect the cause of their business. And usually, they don't like users from countries that have strict rules about online gambling like what they have right now.

If they're not allowed to withdraw, they have the right to do that. But I think for most cases that are like that, they're allowing to withdraw all the funds and then close the account and they're never allowed to get back and sign up.
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The Brazilian people are the biggest gamblers in the world, spending around 4 billion dollars a month on bets, so the Brazilian government saw this as a good opportunity to collect more taxes, making casinos regulate themselves and have authorization to operate in Brazil. I believe that all good casinos will have to adapt, but amateur casinos will have some kind of problem. It is a global trend for casinos to comply with the rules established by governments, and this is what will happen sooner or later in all countries.

I am not Brazilian, but since I am Mozambican and speak Portuguese, I have been following the news from Brazil and from what I am seeing, Brazilian laws are moving in the direction where international websites must have a physical office in Brazil. I have come to this conclusion because of the recent closure of Twitter in Brazil. The president of the Supreme Court ordered Twitter to be closed because it had not obeyed the law that it must have a physical office in Brazil, and Twitter had closed its physical office and no longer had a representative in Brazil. I believe this is a path that in the future will require international betting houses to have a physical office in Brazil and have a legal representative in Brazil. This would mean that Brazilian citizens would no longer be able to use casinos that operate without complying with these conditions. So in my opinion this is all heading towards very strict laws that most casinos licensed in Curacao will not comply with.

The vast majority of casinos in Curacao will not comply, but I still believe that the most reputable and largest will comply, even if they have to offer fewer services to Brazilians than usual, because the gambling market in Brazil is the largest in the world. No casino (I believe) would like to lose space in this lucrative market. The Brazilian people are quite addicted, gambling has always existed here (I'm Brazilian), such as "jogo do bicho" and slot machines, the difference now is that the vast majority are online...

I looked for information; maybe the whole reason for the closure of so many casinos in Brazil is that according to statistics, every ninth Brazilian plays in a casino. Moreover, every fourth person who received financial assistance becomes an addicted gambler and loses everything, right down to the contents of the refrigerator. These are truly threatening numbers.
I would begin to respect such a government that wants to protect its population. But yes, I know that forcibly explaining something to someone who is not ready to stop gambling is useless.
Maybe the way out of this impasse would be to better ensure the standard of living of people so that they do not place their hopes on casinos but are provided with a guaranteed decent job and, of course, a salary.

I don't believe that the Brazilian government wants to protect its citizens. I'm almost certain that they want to collect more and more money from taxes. The Brazilian public sector has exorbitant spending, but since it's a populist government, the order is to spend more and more on aid and to do that they need to collect more and more...
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Lula warned recently that betting was causing many low-income Brazilians to get into debt.

Excerpt from the link there but I don't think this is enough reason or should be part of the reason for taking such decision because gambling is not mandatory but choice, if you have decided not to stop despite consistently losing then it is not the fault of a genuine gambling site that pays tax to the government. I think the purpose for the decision should be to put them in regulated environment.

It seems some people did not read through the link to get the full story of this new development in Brazil. Some comments here is based on the Op topic without knowing why the Brazilian government decided to close down such number of casino sites.  It's actually unfair to keep operating in a country without agreeing to their lay down rules. They ought to have requests for a fair terms than absolutely refusing to agree on government terms and conditions.

 I understand government decisions to banned casinos that don't want to cooperate but that last part of the article you quoted is a very lame excuse. No casino is forcing people to play, they decide to play regardless of their income and they're well aware of the risks involved. It's their own choice to run into the debt and casino should not be responsible for that misconduct.
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Maybe that is a right step from Brazil government closing down more than 2,000 betting sites. If that sites doesn't pay the taxes, the government will lose them and they can operate in out of that country. The citizens will lose their favorite casinos when their government close that sites but they will still search for the other casinos to continue gambling. If the government wants to regulate gambling business, they must control the casino by giving a license to them so their business will be under the government. The casino can not do suspicious things because the government will know and can close their business easily. This can gives the country more taxes if many gambling sites can cooperate with them so the country will benefits from gambling industry. The closing down of casinos show to their citizens how they should treat gambling as a fun and entertainment and not becomes too often to playing gambling so they can avoids the problem behind gambling.
I think that rather than them closing it with various unclear reasons and actually reducing the country revenue, of course it is better for the Brazilian government to take bold steps to regulate the gambling sector, because the existence of strict regulation can of course help ensure that the gambling industry operates with accountability and makes a fair contribution to the government through taxes, in addition it is possible for the government to supervise gambling operations and ensure that they comply with the laws and standards set very important, because with having clear regulations of course protecting consumers from unfair gambling practices and ensuring that they have access to help if they experience a gambling problem, regarding whether Brazilians will cooperate with the government, it depends on how effective the government is in communicating the benefits of the close, but  I think for those who really don't want to comply with government regulations of course the use of a VPN can be the solution.
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Maybe that is a right step from Brazil government closing down more than 2,000 betting sites. If that sites doesn't pay the taxes, the government will lose them and they can operate in out of that country. The citizens will lose their favorite casinos when their government close that sites but they will still search for the other casinos to continue gambling. If the government wants to regulate gambling business, they must control the casino by giving a license to them so their business will be under the government. The casino can not do suspicious things because the government will know and can close their business easily. This can gives the country more taxes if many gambling sites can cooperate with them so the country will benefits from gambling industry. The closing down of casinos show to their citizens how they should treat gambling as a fun and entertainment and not becomes too often to playing gambling so they can avoids the problem behind gambling.
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Brazil have encountered a massive rise in the participation of people into gambling. In the last year it have encountered a rise of more than 25 million people into online betting. Maybe such a rise could affect the country, and the thought to keep things under control the government have come with this decision to close gambling platforms that doesn't follow the regulatory framework.

If that is the right numbers, then it's really very alarming rate how Brazil could turn into another gambling craze nation. We have seen the rise of online gambling because of the pandemic. The rise can attributed to the ease of access as everyone is connected to the internet and this operators started the whole online games and so many are now being affected. Maybe we know someone before who is not into gambling but turns into gambling addict.

As for now few hundred gambling platforms have requested for the licence and a big fee need to be paid. Trusted and the large platforms will find it worthy to pay $5.5 million whereas the small gambling sites will look for an alternate to reach the Brazilian users. Anyhow the decision from the government will pave way for the betterment of its citizens, if they stay responsible understanding the real purpose for which the government is working.

And the government should also continue to monitor those gambling sites that have paid the fees and not abuse the law. And then go after those illegal gambling sites who continue to service the Brazil population. Perhaps in the next meeting of world leaders, I will assume that this topic might be tackled as online gambling in the last 2 years has taken the world by storm.
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Do you think Brazilians would cooperate with the government? Some may think of VPNs to bypass the government's restrictions, but this might put them into trouble with casinos. I wonder how many of them know this.

It takes a bold step to do this and it looks like some countries are now waking up. Regulation is important in the gambling sector, it's better not to have gambling outlets at all than to have them do as they like without proper accountability and even pocket all the money without giving the government what is due to them. As for the government, the tax due is not justified if not used properly, sensitises/educates the people about gambling and protects the rights of the citizens/residents.

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More than 200 other sites will be allowed to continue to operate after agreeing to the new rules.

So there will still be online sites that are going to be allowed for Brazilians to play and put their bet on. The crackdown is supposedly on those illegal or suspicious sites and not complying to regulations that will take effect on January next year. So it's either this sites have to fully cooperate by that time otherwise they are going to be restricted by the Brazilians telecommunications and can't be accessed no more. Nevertheless, there could be gamblers who are going to used VPN here to circumvent things if they wanted to go to a sites that is being banned by their government. It might be a big risk on their part though, but gambling itself is a risk so for sure Brazilian gamblers are willing to go to that lengths in my opinion. So it's going to be a long battle from the government and hopefully they will have the full resource to implement the law. And it just shows the war of governments now whether it's legal or illegal gambling as many are really falling for the addiction.
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But I am actually happy that Brazil made such step. They have closed just a part of gambling sites, and I believe a lot still operate. Do we actually need so many casinos? I think that is way to many for one country. Population of Brazil is a bit more than 200 millions, of course not everyone gambles, so why would they have so many gambling sites, if one user usually gamble on one platform. Limit number of casinos to 100, make them more transparent and trusted, that would be much better for everyone.
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Definitely Brazil will suffer from their government attitude  towards gambling sites as  their  legal presence  was a good opening for the government   to  collect  some extra taxes which mitigate some economic tension traditionally presented in this country. I think real Brazilian gamblers will not be effected too much as VPN wrings water from a flint, thus they may continue their life at any gambling site available worldwide.
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Brazil have encountered a massive rise in the participation of people into gambling. In the last year it have encountered a rise of more than 25 million people into online betting. Maybe such a rise could affect the country, and the thought to keep things under control the government have come with this decision to close gambling platforms that doesn't follow the regulatory framework.

As for now few hundred gambling platforms have requested for the licence and a big fee need to be paid. Trusted and the large platforms will find it worthy to pay $5.5 million whereas the small gambling sites will look for an alternate to reach the Brazilian users. Anyhow the decision from the government will pave way for the betterment of its citizens, if they stay responsible understanding the real purpose for which the government is working.
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Rio de Janeiro (AFP) – Brazilian authorities on Friday began closing down more than 2,000 betting sites, including those that sponsors popular football team Corinthians and other first division clubs, as part of a push to regulate online gambling.

Source: Brazil ordered the closure of 2000 betting sites
What do you guys think, is it the right step? What will the government lose or gain? What will the citizens lose? Will the closed websites cooperate? Many might want to take their business elsewhere as they like to operate where the regulations are weak.

Do you think Brazilians would cooperate with the government? Some may think of VPNs to bypass the government's restrictions, but this might put them into trouble with casinos. I wonder how many of them know this.

It takes a bold step to do this and it looks like some countries are now waking up. Regulation is important in the gambling sector, it's better not to have gambling outlets at all than to have them do as they like without proper accountability and even pocket all the money without giving the government what is due to them. As for the government, the tax due is not justified if not used properly, sensitises/educates the people about gambling and protects the rights of the citizens/residents.

I love it when I read this, which shows the government's seriousness in collaboration with licensed casinos/sportsbooks.
I did not understand that they had such a number of gambling sites. Now I am thinking of how many gambling sites they still have that they have not restricted. I also wonder why they banned those sites and why they have not blocked other sites.
For sure there would really be some exemptions on which there would really be that still sites who could really be able to operate not unless if this one would be a total ban but actually this would really be somewhat raises up some questions on why in a sudden they have decided on doing this? For sure this would really be that in connection into possible gambling addiction rises and other concerns on which the government did really end up on trying out to get rid of this kind of problem or whatever reason they might have.

2000 gambling sites isnt a joke number and just like on what most people been talking on here in speaking about taxation about such thing which we know that this is really something
big that they have let go if we do speak about closing but well it is really that their own choice on what they are really that doing. Each decision would really be having those corresponding
reason on which this is something understandable.
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This means that all these blocked casinos have to agree and sign the agreement that Brazil has set. And the impact that gambling with online casinos made on its citizen is also alarming on their end. But at the same time, they'll still give time to these casinos to comply and agree to the regulations they have set if they're also trying to combat fraud, money laundering, and other sources of dirty money. It won't be surprising if sooner or later, they're also going to be strict with the terms and conditions that they'll set for the exchanges.

Honestly, if Brazil is facing the same hardship like my country I can bet with anyone that the citizens already find their ways around, there are smart people in Brazil as well, they can just find another online casino that's based in a far distance and use VPN to keep gambling.
That is true and pretty much everyone can do that. But the casinos will ask for KYC and if they're from Brazil, they might just want these users to stop using them and get their money asap within the limited time that they'll give.
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