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Quote from: Sanitough on February 17, 2023, 05:06:22 AM

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Quote from: Finestream on February 17, 2023, 01:13:20 AM

Through limiting their user account, it could also mean limiting their bets and I think this is not new anymore as casinos also set the maximum prize that they can only refund to their bettors. So if a single user has different accounts and all those are winning one after the other, that could really be a problem on part of the casinos. So casinos have to do their part too by looking the patterns on how they bet, aside from monitoring their email add and locate their IP address. That way, it’s possible that those users who have made various accounts will easily be tracked.

I see that even when a user's account is hit by a limit, players will not only be able to make bets with a small value but there are bookmakers who also give different odds to that player compared to odds for other players who don't get any limits, this is quite new for me but before bookmakers implement this they must have done an investigation of the account first, so all limits are made after getting a clear picture of their users' activities

Different odds? Come on, I don't think that happens in sports betting. Odds are the same for everyone, and a specific gambling site would always provide the same odds to avoid being abused through the arbitrage method. A limit is a limit; they can only limit the amount of bet you can make, but they cannot change the odds to give you a disadvantage. That's an obvious way of cheating, which I doubt is happening.

Surely no one would have thought about it or could even believe it as well as me but it's different when I read complaints from players at one of the bookies you can check directly https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61584601
and I even thought that he was wrong but that was explained by the representatives of the gambling site, so I'm not just talking

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Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

Frankly, I wouldn't recommend you to mess with this. Casinos may use various methods to identify and track users, such as IP address, device ID, and payment information, in addition to email address. So, using different email addresses to register with multiple casinos can get you into trouble (account termination, loss of funds etc).

This is true, trying to curcumwent restricitons is risky. And not only because your account can be frozen, but also because maybe you shouldn't gamble in the first place?

I would contact support, and asked them why was I restricted instead of trying to circumvent the restriction. It is very likely that your knowledge of tracking is inferior to that of their technicians, so, if are not one of those tech savvy guys from Mission Impossible, don't try to beat them on that field.

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Quote from: Sanitough on February 18, 2023, 08:40:58 AM

That's unethical to limit the withdrawal amount, that's your money so you have the right to withdraw your funds including your winnings of course. The only limitation they'll make is your bet, that way if you keep winning, they can still continue running their business because you are not winning majority of their bankroll. Additionally, if you really can't lose, then I guess they might ban you, you can't complain as it's their right, their casino their rules, but no way they will steal your money like limiting your withdrawals.

I think I've seen some casinos are have withdrawal limit in their terms of services, usually they have a retention maximum withdrawal for a day, a week, a month and a year. I wouldn't call it scam, but it's mostly because you have a problem or you're a high roller. As long as the casino is trusted enough, all you need is patience and hope they wouldn't disappear. Maybe they have a limited bankroll, that's why they're limit your withdrawal too.

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Quote from: molsewid on February 18, 2023, 08:33:43 AM

Quote from: Bushdark on February 17, 2023, 01:50:06 PM

That's is crystal clear and the only thing they can do is to reduce the limit but they can not manipulate them.
This is my first time of hearing about this but I don't think there power would exceed just limiting your account to a particular odds.
I know.of gamblers that doesn't care about the odd because they like taking a big risks of making bets with high odds that can be very annoying to me. Just like we have some gamblers that do not gamble with big money but rather with small money going to high odds.
Sometimes they feel like winning big amount of money when you check there game for the odds and amout to be won.

Yeah , maybe they only limit people with their withdrawal amount only but in terms of deposit and amounts of bets, I wonder if they will limit that. Casinos would love if a person is loyal to them and spend so much, as per the OP's idea having a different email is not a good option because they can block the physical address instead of the gambler if they will put an extra effort to it.

That's unethical to limit the withdrawal amount, that's your money so you have the right to withdraw your funds including your winnings of course. The only limitation they'll make is your bet, that way if you keep winning, they can still continue running their business because you are not winning majority of their bankroll. Additionally, if you really can't lose, then I guess they might ban you, you can't complain as it's their right, their casino their rules, but no way they will steal your money like limiting your withdrawals.

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Quote from: Bushdark on February 17, 2023, 01:50:06 PM

That's is crystal clear and the only thing they can do is to reduce the limit but they can not manipulate them.
This is my first time of hearing about this but I don't think there power would exceed just limiting your account to a particular odds.
I know.of gamblers that doesn't care about the odd because they like taking a big risks of making bets with high odds that can be very annoying to me. Just like we have some gamblers that do not gamble with big money but rather with small money going to high odds.
Sometimes they feel like winning big amount of money when you check there game for the odds and amout to be won.

Yeah , maybe they only limit people with their withdrawal amount only but in terms of deposit and amounts of bets, I wonder if they will limit that. Casinos would love if a person is loyal to them and spend so much, as per the OP's idea having a different email is not a good option because they can block the physical address instead of the gambler if they will put an extra effort to it.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

I do think it is possible to circumvent it but the feature will remain the same. Not to mention, creating multiple accounts with different e-mail addresses would put you on the risk of having your accounts banned. If I were you, I will not put myself in that situation especially the if the gambling website would be able to track my IP address and completely prohibit me from gambling on their website.

Instead of circumventing this feature, might as well just gamble to another website. If KYC is a feature that will completely eliminate the chances of you gambling, then do not even risk circumventing any feature that is stipulated on the TOS of the gambling website.

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Quote from: Finestream on February 17, 2023, 01:13:20 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on February 07, 2023, 07:16:40 PM

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Through limiting their user account, it could also mean limiting their bets and I think this is not new anymore as casinos also set the maximum prize that they can only refund to their bettors. So if a single user has different accounts and all those are winning one after the other, that could really be a problem on part of the casinos. So casinos have to do their part too by looking the patterns on how they bet, aside from monitoring their email add and locate their IP address. That way, it’s possible that those users who have made various accounts will easily be tracked.

On the contrary, casinos would be happy if gamblers are betting heavily. That's what they want. As a matter of fact, they are spending significant amounts of money for promotion and marketing. That's to attract bettors. That's to attract bets. High rollers are even invited to become VIP members. But I've read allegations that after a number of wins, big wins, platforms are reducing a user's maximum limit. I guess platforms have been doing that.

In terms of accounts, casinos have specific rules about it. Many only allow a single account. There are also platforms which allow more than one but still limited. Some allow sub-accounts under a single main account.

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Quote from: Sanitough on February 17, 2023, 05:06:22 AM

Quote from: Strongkored on February 17, 2023, 03:26:23 AM

Quote from: Finestream on February 17, 2023, 01:13:20 AM

Through limiting their user account, it could also mean limiting their bets and I think this is not new anymore as casinos also set the maximum prize that they can only refund to their bettors. So if a single user has different accounts and all those are winning one after the other, that could really be a problem on part of the casinos. So casinos have to do their part too by looking the patterns on how they bet, aside from monitoring their email add and locate their IP address. That way, it’s possible that those users who have made various accounts will easily be tracked.

I see that even when a user's account is hit by a limit, players will not only be able to make bets with a small value but there are bookmakers who also give different odds to that player compared to odds for other players who don't get any limits, this is quite new for me but before bookmakers implement this they must have done an investigation of the account first, so all limits are made after getting a clear picture of their users' activities

Different odds? Come on, I don't think that happens in sports betting. Odds are the same for everyone, and a specific gambling site would always provide the same odds to avoid being abused through the arbitrage method. A limit is a limit; they can only limit the amount of bet you can make, but they cannot change the odds to give you a disadvantage. That's an obvious way of cheating, which I doubt is happening.

That's is crystal clear and the only thing they can do is to reduce the limit but they can not manipulate them.
This is my first time of hearing about this but I don't think there power would exceed just limiting your account to a particular odds.
I know.of gamblers that doesn't care about the odd because they like taking a big risks of making bets with high odds that can be very annoying to me. Just like we have some gamblers that do not gamble with big money but rather with small money going to high odds.
Sometimes they feel like winning big amount of money when you check there game for the odds and amout to be won.

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Quote from: Finestream on February 17, 2023, 01:13:20 AM

Through limiting their user account, it could also mean limiting their bets and I think this is not new anymore as casinos also set the maximum prize that they can only refund to their bettors. So if a single user has different accounts and all those are winning one after the other, that could really be a problem on part of the casinos. So casinos have to do their part too by looking the patterns on how they bet, aside from monitoring their email add and locate their IP address. That way, it’s possible that those users who have made various accounts will easily be tracked.

To limit someone's accounts is too general and there are different restrictions that can be done here and one of it is like you said, to limit their bets placed. There are also cases where the odds are limited. Yes this is not new but I already saw this even before and I think some of us already got an idea on why it can happen so we just avoid it than to feel disappointed later on.

There are still other ways to bet or enjoy gambling, not only a certain betting site or on a certain game. Multi accounts are strictly prohibited and the reason why the player has it is for the sole purpose of doing an abuse so casinos has the right to punish them.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

Actually I use different emails for all casinos I'm trying out but I really don't think there is any possibility of tracking the email of a player just because they're linked to several casinos and I don't think anyone actually does any of those tracking a d if they do, the I would want to ask why?
And I also came across a thread talking about casinos limiting winnings of a particular user because of some locations and regulatory bodies and most times I still wonder how people really take there time to figure out all of those stuffs.

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Actually the casino prefered to those players who are actively playing and of course just to have another feature of gambling responsibility they set some limits to them if the players enable those some cases that they are requiring a KYC because the Casino sees the point of this player have a huge amount deposits and they want to make sure that the players account is secured that's why some of them requires a KYC if you are a large pool players so incase you might have a trouble its easy to them to track and get back your accounts most likely this happens but not all the times. Other players want to stick with the anonymous playing still.

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Quote from: Sanitough on February 17, 2023, 05:06:22 AM

Quote from: Strongkored on February 17, 2023, 03:26:23 AM

Quote from: Finestream on February 17, 2023, 01:13:20 AM

Through limiting their user account, it could also mean limiting their bets and I think this is not new anymore as casinos also set the maximum prize that they can only refund to their bettors. So if a single user has different accounts and all those are winning one after the other, that could really be a problem on part of the casinos. So casinos have to do their part too by looking the patterns on how they bet, aside from monitoring their email add and locate their IP address. That way, it’s possible that those users who have made various accounts will easily be tracked.

I see that even when a user's account is hit by a limit, players will not only be able to make bets with a small value but there are bookmakers who also give different odds to that player compared to odds for other players who don't get any limits, this is quite new for me but before bookmakers implement this they must have done an investigation of the account first, so all limits are made after getting a clear picture of their users' activities

Different odds? Come on, I don't think that happens in sports betting. Odds are the same for everyone, and a specific gambling site would always provide the same odds to avoid being abused through the arbitrage method. A limit is a limit; they can only limit the amount of bet you can make, but they cannot change the odds to give you a disadvantage. That's an obvious way of cheating, which I doubt is happening.

Yep, Odds is fixed in every player since it will be very hard for a bookmaker to gave a different set of odds for a set of user that has a betting limit. But it’s possible to change an odds set to a specific person without the risk of having abused by arbitrage betting.

They can always lower the odds on both side and make the EV of the game become more negative but again this is so hassle for them to implement on a specific user. I think betting limit is what the user you quoted meant on his statement.

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Quote from: Strongkored on February 17, 2023, 03:26:23 AM

Quote from: Finestream on February 17, 2023, 01:13:20 AM

Through limiting their user account, it could also mean limiting their bets and I think this is not new anymore as casinos also set the maximum prize that they can only refund to their bettors. So if a single user has different accounts and all those are winning one after the other, that could really be a problem on part of the casinos. So casinos have to do their part too by looking the patterns on how they bet, aside from monitoring their email add and locate their IP address. That way, it’s possible that those users who have made various accounts will easily be tracked.

I see that even when a user's account is hit by a limit, players will not only be able to make bets with a small value but there are bookmakers who also give different odds to that player compared to odds for other players who don't get any limits, this is quite new for me but before bookmakers implement this they must have done an investigation of the account first, so all limits are made after getting a clear picture of their users' activities

Different odds? Come on, I don't think that happens in sports betting. Odds are the same for everyone, and a specific gambling site would always provide the same odds to avoid being abused through the arbitrage method. A limit is a limit; they can only limit the amount of bet you can make, but they cannot change the odds to give you a disadvantage. That's an obvious way of cheating, which I doubt is happening.

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Quote from: Finestream on February 17, 2023, 01:13:20 AM

Through limiting their user account, it could also mean limiting their bets and I think this is not new anymore as casinos also set the maximum prize that they can only refund to their bettors. So if a single user has different accounts and all those are winning one after the other, that could really be a problem on part of the casinos. So casinos have to do their part too by looking the patterns on how they bet, aside from monitoring their email add and locate their IP address. That way, it’s possible that those users who have made various accounts will easily be tracked.

I see that even when a user's account is hit by a limit, players will not only be able to make bets with a small value but there are bookmakers who also give different odds to that player compared to odds for other players who don't get any limits, this is quite new for me but before bookmakers implement this they must have done an investigation of the account first, so all limits are made after getting a clear picture of their users' activities

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 07, 2023, 07:16:40 PM

What do you mean limiting user accounts? Limiting their bets? I mean, maximum bets? I have read of a similar complaint or two but it is usually triggered by the user making a big win, probably one after another. Worse, the prize would not even be released because the bets made were already beyond the maximum. However, it's shady since the bet was allowed in the first place.

I doubt the tracking done by casinos would involve tracking their email address across multiple casinos. And I think it could indeed be circumvented by using a throw-away email. The problem is when they're also tracking IP information and share this with other casinos.

Through limiting their user account, it could also mean limiting their bets and I think this is not new anymore as casinos also set the maximum prize that they can only refund to their bettors. So if a single user has different accounts and all those are winning one after the other, that could really be a problem on part of the casinos. So casinos have to do their part too by looking the patterns on how they bet, aside from monitoring their email add and locate their IP address. That way, it’s possible that those users who have made various accounts will easily be tracked.

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Quote from: South Park on February 16, 2023, 03:05:03 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on February 15, 2023, 03:49:02 AM

No KYC is not a full guarantee to stay off the radar of account limitations, this is because casinos, both KYC and none KYC all have security teams that check the activities of players in their casinos, this is a standard practice to check abusers.
-And if a player is found to have abused and violated any of the casino's rules their accounts can still be limited and means of the investigation will be implemented, that is why the casino suddenly asks players for some form of verification at some point.
-The use of a VPN can give you access to restricted sites but does not secure the account from being limited at any point of account to violate any terms of service.

If anything the use of a VPN could be a flag for the casino that you may be trying to hide something by the use of it, and even if that is not the case and you only care about obtaining some privacy, if your activity is slightly suspicious to them then you could face a KYC request much earlier than what it may have happened if you just gambled at that casino with your regular IP, then it is key to simply gamble as we usually do and avoid trying to outsmart the casino because most likely you will fail anyway.

Exactly and if a player has nothing to hide and there is no up restriction I see no reason why a player will opt to use a VPN and in all sincerity, a VPN is not a good experience for the players since its networks slow down the internet traffic and also delay your gaming experience because of the data required for the VPN which ultimately affects the overall flow your streaming games.
-I don't have any problem with no VPN usage and I will likely stay away from any casino that will force me to use von if it is not available in my country.
-Also I don't have any problem handing over my documents for verification if I trust the site and I monitor my activities on the casino to avoid ruining into law enforcement problems.

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Quote from: South Park on February 16, 2023, 03:05:03 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on February 15, 2023, 03:49:02 AM

No KYC is not a full guarantee to stay off the radar of account limitations, this is because casinos, both KYC and none KYC all have security teams that check the activities of players in their casinos, this is a standard practice to check abusers.
-And if a player is found to have abused and violated any of the casino's rules their accounts can still be limited and means of the investigation will be implemented, that is why the casino suddenly asks players for some form of verification at some point.
-The use of a VPN can give you access to restricted sites but does not secure the account from being limited at any point of account to violate any terms of service.

If anything the use of a VPN could be a flag for the casino that you may be trying to hide something by the use of it, and even if that is not the case and you only care about obtaining some privacy, if your activity is slightly suspicious to them then you could face a KYC request much earlier than what it may have happened if you just gambled at that casino with your regular IP, then it is key to simply gamble as we usually do and avoid trying to outsmart the casino, because most likely you will fail anyway.

Either you comply or leave;, these are a gambler's option if ever you are up against the gambling site's rules. I'd take freezing accounts, as cited by other users, as an example. Indeed the rootcause is suspiscion and lack of compliance with what they'd do to it, will result to freezing. But it will be lifted 'coz to most gambling sites, there is this thing called appeal through contact with the technical support. Explanation therefore would save the day. On the other hand, I don't know of such rule wherein players are not allowed to register on multiple gambling sites and also, platforms are not linked with one another. But KYC is mostly done with transactions of either both withdrawal and deposit.. My point is to just comply as long as what they are asking is fair on your end.

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Quote from: Wiwo on February 15, 2023, 03:49:02 AM

No KYC is not a full guarantee to stay off the radar of account limitations, this is because casinos, both KYC and none KYC all have security teams that check the activities of players in their casinos, this is a standard practice to check abusers.
-And if a player is found to have abused and violated any of the casino's rules their accounts can still be limited and means of the investigation will be implemented, that is why the casino suddenly asks players for some form of verification at some point.
-The use of a VPN can give you access to restricted sites but does not secure the account from being limited at any point of account to violate any terms of service.

If anything the use of a VPN could be a flag for the casino that you may be trying to hide something by the use of it, and even if that is not the case and you only care about obtaining some privacy, if your activity is slightly suspicious to them then you could face a KYC request much earlier than what it may have happened if you just gambled at that casino with your regular IP, then it is key to simply gamble as we usually do and avoid trying to outsmart the casino, because most likely you will fail anyway.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on February 15, 2023, 11:56:16 AM

Quote from: Nrcewker on February 15, 2023, 05:28:53 AM

Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

I don’t think, the casinos follow this method to track these shady activities of the players. I mean no casino will share their gamblers details to the other crypto casinos or bookies. But now the question comes, how does these casinos limit the user’s account. The casinos I guess track the user’s profile and when they win more and that too on low budget matches, then they force limit the user’s account. Moreover creating alternate emails are very easy and using this to track the cheaters are very hard.

Since doing so may potntially get them into legal trouble and hurt they're image, I agree that casinos are unlikely to exchange player information with other crypto casinos or bookmakers. However, casinos are able to keep tabs on they're customers by, for example, freezing they're accounts if they accrue too much money by betting on low-stakes games. It's simple to create a new email acount and use that, but casinos can still track a player's profile and habits and catch any unusual activty. Perhaps some casinos in the past have sold customer information, but this is hard to establish without hard proof. Last but not least, it is up to the casinos to provide a safe and secure enviroment for they're customers, and account suspensions should only be implemented in cases of obvious cheeting or other rule breaches

Casinos normally do not take action unless something suspicious happens against an account. They know that if any active account is restricted that will be their loss. But if there is no major complaint then they don't take any action. They have the ability to get a user's information by their advance security system. They can easily find out the user's device and IP. A user has to be most careful. If the casino discovers a user's error, all money may go to the dogs.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on February 15, 2023, 05:28:53 AM

Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

I don’t think, the casinos follow this method to track these shady activities of the players. I mean no casino will share their gamblers details to the other crypto casinos or bookies. But now the question comes, how does these casinos limit the user’s account. The casinos I guess track the user’s profile and when they win more and that too on low budget matches, then they force limit the user’s account. Moreover creating alternate emails are very easy and using this to track the cheaters are very hard.

Since doing so may potntially get them into legal trouble and hurt they're image, I agree that casinos are unlikely to exchange player information with other crypto casinos or bookmakers. However, casinos are able to keep tabs on they're customers by, for example, freezing they're accounts if they accrue too much money by betting on low-stakes games. It's simple to create a new email acount and use that, but casinos can still track a player's profile and habits and catch any unusual activty. Perhaps some casinos in the past have sold customer information, but this is hard to establish without hard proof. Last but not least, it is up to the casinos to provide a safe and secure enviroment for they're customers, and account suspensions should only be implemented in cases of obvious cheeting or other rule breaches

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