Rejecting odd provider's limit - page 4.

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Quote from: Johnyz on February 07, 2023, 04:15:02 PM

Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

How they can track it? Not unless the casinos are sharing their data of the gamblers which I think is not possible. But if you think you are being tracked, the you can always use a different emails for different gambling sites, just make sure you have the records. Some site limits the gamblers because of unusual activities and will ask for a KYC, but if you can prove that you’re innocent and just doing your gambling activities fine, they will back your account to normal and remove the red flag.

Wont really be that surprising that they are really that too paranoid when it comes to someone that do make out some winning or having a good chance of hitting which they would really be having those kind of suspicions which arent even true if ever you are really just playing fair and square.They cant really just accept that there are gamblers who are extremely lucky.
Im aint sure about being tracked and making out some limit or something like that and its true that it is unlikely that they could share up information precisely on a short duration or
i could say that it would be that complex and a hassle thing.

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Quote from: Johnyz on February 07, 2023, 04:15:02 PM

Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

How they can track it? Not unless the casinos are sharing their data of the gamblers which I think is not possible. But if you think you are being tracked, the you can always use a different emails for different gambling sites, just make sure you have the records. Some site limits the gamblers because of unusual activities and will ask for a KYC, but if you can prove that you’re innocent and just doing your gambling activities fine, they will back your account to normal and remove the red flag.

There’s no shared data because they are competitors which I think will compromise their platform if they gave out information of their players. If you get limited by the platform, ask the support for a reason and for a possible way to reverse the limit back to normal, there must be a reason and a gambler you should aware of that so you wont do the same mistake again. Using VPN might also the problem here, try to read their terms and conditions if its ok or not.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

How they can track it? Not unless the casinos are sharing their data of the gamblers which I think is not possible. But if you think you are being tracked, the you can always use a different emails for different gambling sites, just make sure you have the records. Some site limits the gamblers because of unusual activities and will ask for a KYC, but if you can prove that you’re innocent and just doing your gambling activities fine, they will back your account to normal and remove the red flag.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

Ha! The gambling providers are always looking for ways to keep their advantage, and limiting player accounts is just one of their tactics. But, can you beat the system by using different emails at different casinos? Well, it might be worth a shot, but don't be surprised if they eventually catch up to you. These guys have some pretty sophisticated tracking methods, so you may want to think twice before trying to outsmart them. Surely you have already heard about browser fingerprinting? At the end of the day, it's best to just accept the odds as they are and have fun with the game, not try to cheat the system.

Since they have ways to know that you're using a VPN probably by listing all the IPs used by different users and knowing that VPN users will always end up sharing locations, an email will only slow things down for them, but they'll catch on after a while, unless you're able to use another legit IP from a different source, like you have 1 at your own house and one at parent's house and gamble from both on the same platform. As for authentication methods, sites are slow at implementing them and when one provider requests a new method you can stop gambling with them and go somewhere where that method is not used.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

If the KYC is active for any casino then they might definitely target winners, as perhaps they are the most likely to withdraw funds. Any reasonable casino or sportbook should be quite open and upfront about the requirements, but they often walk a fine line - in order to get customers spending they try to reduce barriers as much as possible. If a customer deposits a small amount, loses it and never returns it might be onerous to require such information. However if you are a regular visitor then you should be asked for it and if you want someone to blame, it's the financial regulators of your country that are trying to stop criminal money entering or getting "washed" in these high risk companies.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on February 04, 2023, 09:00:22 AM

Some of the casinos do not allow you to create an account or play on their platform if you didn't accept their terms and conditions that's why better to read first before playing so you can prevent having an issue with your data privacy if you are conscious with this its better to seek a casino which is not requiring as mandatory, Users has a right to check the accessibility of the casino and includes into their website so you can file a case if unexpected things happen. If you are seeing gambling to your Facebook and google for sure the web browser you are using use the data from your search and prompted those into your advertisements.

The problem we do have with some gamblers is that they already lost their right from the beginning by refusing to read and understand every requirements of a casino before accepting their terms and signing up for them, when they later encounter a bridge in services and functionalities from the casino restricting them on certain rights, now they think they have been deprived not knowing is what they have initially neglected and denied paying attention to before registration, if you don't byepass some functions, you may not have issues related with them later.

If we are honest about it there are very few gamblers out there which actually read the terms of service of any website we may use, and even if it is a pain to read those terms it must be done at least with the services we use the most or where some money or personal information could be lost if we are not careful, but on our rush to gamble and try a casino as fast as we can we simply neglect to do this and then we find ourselves limited somehow and complain about it, even if the casino make their posture clear from the beginning.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on February 04, 2023, 09:00:22 AM

Some of the casinos do not allow you to create an account or play on their platform if you didn't accept their terms and conditions that's why better to read first before playing so you can prevent having an issue with your data privacy if you are conscious with this its better to seek a casino which is not requiring as mandatory, Users has a right to check the accessibility of the casino and includes into their website so you can file a case if unexpected things happen. If you are seeing gambling to your Facebook and google for sure the web browser you are using use the data from your search and prompted those into your advertisements.

The problem we do have with some gamblers is that they already lost their right from the beginning by refusing to read and understand every requirements of a casino before accepting their terms and signing up for them, when they later encounter a bridge in services and functionalities from the casino restricting them on certain rights, now they think they have been deprived not knowing is what they have initially neglected and denied paying attention to before registration, if you don't byepass some functions, you may not have issues related with them later.

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The best way is to monitor gaming providers, because they're a different section but exist in all casinos, and that makes it look like all Casinos communicate with each other to detect players. I think if a gaming provider flags a player for being underage or fraudulent disputes they can easily track that person on other casinos using their detective systems. And this time the player may be unlucky and the account will get restricted after they've won some money. They could be a way other than changing IP, proxies, or even Kyc how these people determine a suspicious player. So, the way out is to change games and try focusing on games that has different providers. That way the user can be difficult to trace.

Keep in mind that there's another reason for someone being limited, and it's his/her gambling addiction. In some jurisdictions gambling providers are obliged to limit someone's stakes just because they are too big, or there are too many of them to consider them affordable for the gambler. So, providers put a limit on the stakes of such person, and then this person goes around forums saying he was limited because he was so good at betting and that casinos fear him.

I personally think that this is the main reason why someone is limited, but I have no proof of that, so, let's just keep in mind that there are such cases.

Indeed it's among the right reasons why a person can be traced till forever never to gamble anywhere again, gambling addiction, if a person is restricted for such reasons they may not be enabled to play anywhere, but how exactly it's been achieved is like gambling we can't be sure of it, there are more than enough cases why a person gets limited, yet the game providers play an effective role in tackling these limitation disputes.

We can't be sure of it. Absolutely. Besides, gamblers always can find ways to circumvent these restrictions, but the harder to do it, the better for them gambling addicts. If they are restricted to the most reliable gambling platforms, they can go to less reliable ones, but they know the risks, so, some of them stop gambling for that reason.

Overall, it's a good thing that providers are required to limit people who are sick and need professional help. It saves many lives, I'm sure.

If they would limit them, they should also let them know the reason why the are being restricted. The providers must provide an acceptable reason so gamblers would know their mistakes. I agree that gambling addicts will always find ways to gamble. If they are being traced and restricted, they will try even the riskiest casinos to fulfill their urge to gamble. However, it will still be a big help for them to be restricted so they will be aware and would have enough time to realize that they need to seek professional help already.

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Quote from: Accardo on February 05, 2023, 05:01:47 AM

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Quote from: Accardo on February 04, 2023, 12:58:40 AM

The best way is to monitor gaming providers, because they're a different section but exist in all casinos, and that makes it look like all Casinos communicate with each other to detect players. I think if a gaming provider flags a player for being underage or fraudulent disputes they can easily track that person on other casinos using their detective systems. And this time the player may be unlucky and the account will get restricted after they've won some money. They could be a way other than changing IP, proxies, or even Kyc how these people determine a suspicious player. So, the way out is to change games and try focusing on games that has different providers. That way the user can be difficult to trace.

Keep in mind that there's another reason for someone being limited, and it's his/her gambling addiction. In some jurisdictions gambling providers are obliged to limit someone's stakes just because they are too big, or there are too many of them to consider them affordable for the gambler. So, providers put a limit on the stakes of such person, and then this person goes around forums saying he was limited because he was so good at betting and that casinos fear him.

I personally think that this is the main reason why someone is limited, but I have no proof of that, so, let's just keep in mind that there are such cases.

Indeed it's among the right reasons why a person can be traced till forever never to gamble anywhere again, gambling addiction, if a person is restricted for such reasons they may not be enabled to play anywhere, but how exactly it's been achieved is like gambling we can't be sure of it, there are more than enough cases why a person gets limited, yet the game providers play an effective role in tackling these limitation disputes.

We can't be sure of it. Absolutely. Besides, gamblers always can find ways to circumvent these restrictions, but the harder to do it, the better for them gambling addicts. If they are restricted on the most reliable gambling platforms, they can go to less reliable ones, but they know the risks, so, some of them stop gambling for that reason.

Overall, it's a good thing that providers required to limit people who are sick and need professional help. It saves many lives, I'm sure.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on February 05, 2023, 06:10:28 PM

Bookmakers limit the bet size of a gambler who wins regularly. If the bookmakers let this bettor to bet according to his will then bookamakers may possibly closed since the provider financila flow is in an outflow. So to avoid bankruptcy or possible bankroll depletion, they implement limiting players bet.

And if you are talking about casino limiting a player, it is possible to prevent players from exploiting bonuses and at the same time not banning them for some reasons.

Honestly, I think this is a big injustice, as bookmakers are supposed to be impartial.
As long as players play within the rules, there shouldn't be any kind of enforcement to block their bets.
If a bookmaker blocks players who win a lot, then they should also block when that player is losing a lot of money, why doesn't this happen? Obviously I already know the answer, I'm just raising this point for you to reflect on.

In any case, we are still facing a relationship between company/consumer, and no one is obliged to provide their services to anyone, which is why this is not an illegal practice, but it is immoral nonetheless.

Also in physical casinos, it is "normal" for them to withdraw bettors who win several times in a row, even if he is not cheating.

Casinos never lose money, either by imposing odds or forcing players to leave and in fact, this should never be the goal of gamblers, because casinos are a means of entertainment, where you win eventually.

In the end, we all love casinos and gambling, we can't live without them Cheesy

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Quote from: QueenVera on February 05, 2023, 06:02:46 AM

The truth is I personally use several and different emails for every casino that I visit except I just want to check the site out.
But I really don't think casinos actually limit the odd of players because the email is linked with several casinos, I really don't think so as it doesn't seem so.
Just as other users have said, there are several reasons why someone might get restricted outside just winnings and such might include addiction or underage and if you can agree with me that these reasons are the major reasons while a casino or a game provider might restrict a player rather than over odds or winning.

Bookmakers limit the bet size of a gambler who wins regularly. If the bookmakers let this bettor to bet according to his will then bookamakers may possibly closed since the provider financila flow is in an outflow. So to avoid bankruptcy or possible bankroll depletion, they implement limiting players bet.

And if you are talking about casino limiting a player, it is possible to prevent players from exploiting bonuses and at the same time not banning them for some reasons.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

Actually you can, but this is not fully applicable, maybe you can use some method to access it, and in theory you can do it, but I don't think this lasts long, looking at developments and maybe they can still track it even though in an indirect way ( you using different e-mails, this is not too difficult for them to detect) they can see it from the IP address of course, developments now they also have several methods for detecting account users, besides we see that the management of the casino site also has a very shrewd crew.

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Quote from: nimogsm on February 04, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

I think there is one common user base that is shared among themselves to identify suspicious players.I have a friend who works in this direction and he says that all the data for each player is fixed, mail / IP / password change and addresses where money is withdrawn.All this works in semi-automatic mode and suspicious accounts are checked manually several times a month.Most often, suspicious accounts are simply blocked during the election.

You are lucky to have a friend that knows the board rules of game providers. I think the withdrawal account is very sensitive when tracing suspicious accounts. Because, they ask of bank documents before the money is forwarded to the bank. And such details may not get fabricated easily. As for IP and other gadget related criterion, they can get bypassd easily. The receiving account seems like it is a strong evidence.

We can find out how casinos determine whether a player's account is honest or suspicious and casinos can do something if they find the account suspicious, such as blocking the account. For an honest account, they will do nothing and still allow players to gamble again. And the casinos have many other ways that they won't explain to us because that's their secret for finding players trying to cheat. So we don't have to try to cheat and just play fair. After all, it will keep our account safe from blocking.

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The truth is I personally use several and different emails for every casino that I visit except I just want to check the site out.
But I really don't think casinos actually limit the odd of players because the email is linked with several casinos, I really don't think so as it doesn't seem so.
Just as other users have said, there are several reasons why someone might get restricted outside just winnings and such might include addiction or underage and if you can agree with me that these reasons are the major reasons while a casino or a game provider might restrict a player rather than over odds or winning.

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Quote from: Betwrong on February 04, 2023, 04:56:25 AM

Quote from: Accardo on February 04, 2023, 12:58:40 AM

The best way is to monitor gaming providers, because they're a different section but exist in all casinos, and that makes it look like all Casinos communicate with each other to detect players. I think if a gaming provider flags a player for being underage or fraudulent disputes they can easily track that person on other casinos using their detective systems. And this time the player may be unlucky and the account will get restricted after they've won some money. They could be a way other than changing IP, proxies, or even Kyc how these people determine a suspicious player. So, the way out is to change games and try focusing on games that has different providers. That way the user can be difficult to trace.

Keep in mind that there's another reason for someone being limited, and it's his/her gambling addiction. In some jurisdictions gambling providers are obliged to limit someone's stakes just because they are too big, or there are too many of them to consider them affordable for the gambler. So, providers put a limit on the stakes of such person, and then this person goes around forums saying he was limited because he was so good at betting and that casinos fear him.

I personally think that this is the main reason why someone is limited, but I have no proof of that, so, let's just keep in mind that there are such cases.

Indeed it's among the right reasons why a person can be traced till forever never to gamble anywhere again, gambling addiction, if a person is restricted for such reasons they may not be enabled to play anywhere, but how exactly it's been achieved is like gambling we can't be sure of it, there are more than enough cases why a person gets limited, yet the game providers play an effective role in tackling these limitation disputes.

Quote from: nimogsm on February 04, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

I think there is one common user base that is shared among themselves to identify suspicious players.I have a friend who works in this direction and he says that all the data for each player is fixed, mail / IP / password change and addresses where money is withdrawn.All this works in semi-automatic mode and suspicious accounts are checked manually several times a month.Most often, suspicious accounts are simply blocked during the election.

You are lucky to have a friend that knows the board rules of game providers. I think the withdrawal account is very sensitive when tracing suspicious accounts. Because, they ask of bank documents before the money is forwarded to the bank. And such details may not get fabricated easily. As for IP and other gadget related criterion, they can get bypassd easily. The receiving account seems like it is a strong evidence.

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Quote from: decodx on February 04, 2023, 08:58:21 AM

Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

Ha! The gambling providers are always looking for ways to keep their advantage, and limiting player accounts is just one of their tactics. But, can you beat the system by using different emails at different casinos? Well, it might be worth a shot, but don't be surprised if they eventually catch up to you.

I think using a new mail will not be enough... I mean, for sure they record information like the IP, Operative System, device, and other information that could let them track users.

Using a new mail will only tag us on their system as a multi-accounts abuser, and that would end in a ban or a KYC request from their side, so, I don't think that's a good idea.

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Quote from: 348Judah on February 04, 2023, 09:09:44 AM

Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

You may not be actually free totally from being caught by them aince you're still going to go beyond the limit to what has been put in place, the have a system that helps track and cobtrol odd limits and in this regards, if i were you, i will split the games into two and use the different casino in placing the bet and of course it has to be with an entire different email and registration details, then try make use of the casino that does not require KYC to remain more safer.

That works on the first few bets, but after some time they will notice the betting patterns and the history, and they might connect the dots later on. Regardless, KYC will still be triggered albeit at a very later date compared to when you just use a single email across different casinos. You'll still encounter the same roadblock over and over again if you don't put any variations in your bets. At least if you want to cheat the system, do something fancy that they don't get you that easily Cheesy

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Quote from: piebeyb on February 04, 2023, 06:55:23 AM

Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

I think of course it will not be possible for other casinos to know email and other information from users, moreover every casino is certainly competing and it is also impossible for them to share their user data, especially when it comes to user information data, I prefer to use the same email to play

That's also against the law when a casino is sharing the client's information. The fact that we are required to comply with the KYC requirement means that the casinos have a responsibility to take care of our personal information, it should be confidential, which means it's illegal to share it or leak it. So with OP's concern, I'm pretty sure that one casino does not limit certain gamblers because they got information from other casinos.

Why will they share it for free when they can also sell it for cash? I agree on piebeyb that each gambling sites are competing with each other. They are not friends except only if some of them personally know the founders of the other gambling sites but again as you said we have a law about it. It was still illegal to share the users information.

Those odd providers can limit our accounts or do other restrictions because they beg other gambling sites for data's but we also have the rights to report them for doing this. The only thing that a gambling site won't be guilty is if the data's were leaked without them knowing it or if there have been a hack that took place.

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Quote from: piebeyb on February 04, 2023, 06:55:23 AM

Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

I think of course it will not be possible for other casinos to know email and other information from users, moreover every casino is certainly competing and it is also impossible for them to share their user data, especially when it comes to user information data, I prefer to use the same email to play

Yes, because finding out and tracking email or personal information of other casino users will only be a waste of time and of no benefit.
If we pay close attention and think carefully about what the casino is doing this for, the casino team also has a more important job, which is to develop and create new innovations so that they can compete with other casinos to find new customers to really get loyal customers.
So we don't need to worry that our email or data can be known or tracked by other casinos that we don't use.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 19, 2023, 07:38:20 PM

Have seen few discussion in this board about odd providers limiting user accounts, I assume they must be tracking user's accounts across multiple casinos by email address, kyc is triggered later.

My question is, would it be possible to circumvent such imposition by simply using different emails while registering on different casinos?

You may not be actually free totally from being caught by them aince you're still going to go beyond the limit to what has been put in place, the have a system that helps track and cobtrol odd limits and in this regards, if i were you, i will split the games into two and use the different casino in placing the bet and of course it has to be with an entire different email and registration details, then try make use of the casino that does not require KYC to remain more safer.

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