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Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 09:36:47 AM

Quote from: crumbcake on May 31, 2013, 03:54:53 PM

^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"

There is no good versus evil, no right versus wrong, except as we perceive it within whatever social structures we accept. Was it OK for your god to rape the 13 year old, Mary, to give birth to himself? Apparently during that time period, it was condoned. Today it is not, even though this is one of the foundation events for a religion that espouses "absolute morals".

I wish people would stop playing so fast & loose. Religion's link with morality is only incidental, the connection is similar to "life produces shit": Sure, though not all the time & shitting is not what life's all about. You don't need to reach for hot-button topics like "OMFG! Mary waz 13! Unrape tha loli!!11!," that's nonsense -- that age was the norm at the time. Ether the world was pedo paradise, or ... non-event. There are much less loaded examples, though. Just take this great God-troll:

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” - Genisis 22

Ethics are a feeble human construct, an attempt at ruleset without extrinsic references or even a stated goal, Faith bulldozes over them & doesn't even say "whoops.".

On a side note, there's a Godelian gray zone: Acts which are neither illegal, immoral, nor even specifically against the tenets of any faith. Farting in a crowded theater is one such act brought up by Burgess. It's not illegal or immoral, and nevertheless wrong Huh

Are you implying that arbatrary, manmade morals 1 are less feeble than reviewed ethics 2? Feeble means weak, as in 'not defendable.'
Farting is like spitting, ultimately the inner workings of the immune systems of those exposed to human farts and spit, work in some rather interesting ways. 3
Ethics bulldozes over the norm without even raping children. 4

Not sure what you mean. Could you clear up a few things for me, if it's not much effort? Here are the questions:
1. Which them is those?
2. ditto.
3. ...i guess, maybe, depends on what you mean by "like" & how easily you are amused.
4. A poke at absurdism? I'm lost...

4. I am become absurdism incarnate.
3. Little smelly poo particles.
2. Meow.
1. Morals are all arbitrary inventions of man. Ethics are logic based.

4. I Am Become Death. Words clever people wish they've said, or thought, at the right moment. Drop the "incarnate" -- it's implied by "I am become."
3. "little smelly poo particles"? See 1 below.
2. ditto.
1. Oh, i see wut U did ther! Troll harder. Cheesy

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Quote from: ktttn on May 31, 2013, 03:41:46 PM

Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 09:36:47 AM

Quote from: ktttn on May 31, 2013, 03:41:46 PM

^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"

There is no good versus evil, no right versus wrong, except as we perceive it within whatever social structures we accept. Was it OK for your god to rape the 13 year old, Mary, to give birth to himself? Apparently during that time period, it was condoned. Today it is not, even though this is one of the foundation events for a religion that espouses "absolute morals".

I wish people would stop playing so fast & loose. Religion's link with morality is only incidental, the connection is similar to "life produces shit": Sure, though not all the time & shitting is not what life's all about. You don't need to reach for hot-button topics like "OMFG! Mary waz 13! Unrape tha loli!!11!," that's nonsense -- that age was the norm at the time. Ether the world was pedo paradise, or ... non-event. There are much less loaded examples, though. Just take this great God-troll:

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” - Genisis 22

Ethics are a feeble human construct, an attempt at ruleset without extrinsic references or even a stated goal, Faith bulldozes over them & doesn't even say "whoops.".

On a side note, there's a Godelian gray zone: Acts which are neither illegal, immoral, nor even specifically against the tenets of any faith. Farting in a crowded theater is one such act brought up by Burgess. It's not illegal or immoral, and nevertheless wrong Huh

Are you implying that arbatrary, manmade morals 1 are less feeble than reviewed ethics 2? Feeble means weak, as in 'not defendable.'
Farting is like spitting, ultimately the inner workings of the immune systems of those exposed to human farts and spit, work in some rather interesting ways. 3
Ethics bulldozes over the norm without even raping children. 4

Not sure what you mean. Could you clear up a few things for me, if it's not much effort? Here are the questions:
1. Which them is those?
2. ditto.
3. ...i guess, maybe, depends on what you mean by "like" & how easily you are amused.
4. A poke at absurdism? I'm lost...

4. I am become absurdism incarnate.
3. Little smelly poo particles.
2. Meow.
1. Morals are all arbitrary inventions of man. Ethics are logic based.

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Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 09:36:47 AM

^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"

There is no good versus evil, no right versus wrong, except as we perceive it within whatever social structures we accept. Was it OK for your god to rape the 13 year old, Mary, to give birth to himself? Apparently during that time period, it was condoned. Today it is not, even though this is one of the foundation events for a religion that espouses "absolute morals".

I wish people would stop playing so fast & loose. Religion's link with morality is only incidental, the connection is similar to "life produces shit": Sure, though not all the time & shitting is not what life's all about. You don't need to reach for hot-button topics like "OMFG! Mary waz 13! Unrape tha loli!!11!," that's nonsense -- that age was the norm at the time. Ether the world was pedo paradise, or ... non-event. There are much less loaded examples, though. Just take this great God-troll:

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” - Genisis 22

Ethics are a feeble human construct, an attempt at ruleset without extrinsic references or even a stated goal, Faith bulldozes over them & doesn't even say "whoops.".

On a side note, there's a Godelian gray zone: Acts which are neither illegal, immoral, nor even specifically against the tenets of any faith. Farting in a crowded theater is one such act brought up by Burgess. It's not illegal or immoral, and nevertheless wrong Huh

Are you implying that arbatrary, manmade morals 1 are less feeble than reviewed ethics 2? Feeble means weak, as in 'not defendable.'
Farting is like spitting, ultimately the inner workings of the immune systems of those exposed to human farts and spit, work in some rather interesting ways. 3
Ethics bulldozes over the norm without even raping children. 4

Not sure what you mean. Could you clear up a few things for me, if it's not much effort? Here are the questions:
1. Which them is those?
2. ditto.
3. ...i guess, maybe, depends on what you mean by "like" & how easily you are amused.
4. A poke at absurdism? I'm lost...

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Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 09:36:47 AM

Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 11:40:50 AM

^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"

There is no good versus evil, no right versus wrong, except as we perceive it within whatever social structures we accept. Was it OK for your god to rape the 13 year old, Mary, to give birth to himself? Apparently during that time period, it was condoned. Today it is not, even though this is one of the foundation events for a religion that espouses "absolute morals".

I wish people would stop playing so fast & loose. Religion's link with morality is only incidental, the connection is similar to "life produces shit": Sure, though not all the time & shitting is not what life's all about. You don't need to reach for hot-button topics like "OMFG! Mary waz 13! Unrape tha loli!!11!," that's nonsense -- that age was the norm at the time. Ether the world was pedo paradise, or ... non-event. There are much less loaded examples, though. Just take this great God-troll:

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” - Genisis 22

Ethics are a feeble human construct, an attempt at ruleset without extrinsic references or even a stated goal, Faith bulldozes over them & doesn't even say "whoops.".

On a side note, there's a Godelian gray zone: Acts which are neither illegal, immoral, nor even specifically against the tenets of any faith. Farting in a crowded theater is one such act brought up by Burgess. It's not illegal or immoral, and nevertheless wrong Huh

Are you implying that arbatrary, manmade morals are less feeble than reviewed ethics? Feeble means weak, as in 'not defendable.'
Farting is like spitting, ultimately the inner workings of the immune systems of those exposed to human farts and spit, work in some rather interesting ways.
Ethics bulldozes over the norm without even raping children.

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Quote from: BitChick on May 31, 2013, 10:36:48 AM

I have no doubt that Hitler wanted to seem Christian, but actions speak louder than words. But, in case that's not enough, here's some words too:

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"I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews."

Now there we have the No True Scotsman. No Christian ever thinks any other Christian is "true" if they've given Christianity bad press. Ridiculous. You've no doubt sinned at some point but you think you're still Christian. So, what if Hitler asked for forgiveness for all his sins in the manner you deem most "correct"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler was raised Catholic. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he made statements affirming a belief in Christianity. He called the purge of Jews "positive Christianity." While there is debate over his actual private feelings about the faith, he was a publicly practicing Christian. There exists no known evidence that Hitler was an atheist or agnostic. Again: evidence he was Christian; no evidence he was otherwise.

Hitler said: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

The Reichskonkordat was a treaty signed on 20 July 1933 between the Holy See (Catholic Church) and Nazi Germany, guaranteeing the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. Yes, the Catholic Church colluded with Nazis.

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Quote from: ktttn on May 31, 2013, 10:12:38 AM

How dare anyone imply that someone who abused you should seek forgiveness not from you, but from BLANK.

"Forgiveness" is an area that I think many of Christians get wrong. I actually don't think we should offer forgiveness to anyone unless they ask. The Bible says to be "ready to forgive." My abuser never did ask me for forgiveness. So I put him in the hand of God to deal with him. I felt very sad for his soul. I cried for him because I knew that if he did not repent, or ask for forgiveness, he was doomed for destruction. I prayed that he would change. The reason I had a change of heart was because I was willing to forgive at that point (before then I wanted revenge and was filled with hate) Looking back now I can see that God was very patient with him. Perhaps he had a chance, or two, or three, before he was "accidentally" killed in a freak accident. I am not sure. It is tragic, really.

Hate and revenge can protect you from harm. God cannot.
Youre doing a great job listings the shortcomings of jesusism. I reccomend that you read something that will help you reconcile your legit criticisms with your grandfathered-in belief. You got kids? Ask them what they freely observe about the real and metaphysical world instead of coloring their perception with insipid dogmatic bullshit and learn what god is and isnt from that. I bet you .1 mbtc were all born atheists.
There are lots of "recovering christian" forums, blogs and sources that will blow your mind. Come back to me when you have looked into any of that.
In conclusion, a book with less than a trillion pages does not contain universal truth. To argue that it does is unworthy of rebuttal.

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Quote from: ktttn on May 31, 2013, 03:09:49 PM

Quote from: crumbcake on May 31, 2013, 11:23:45 AM

Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 11:13:55 AM

Quote from: crumbcake on May 31, 2013, 11:23:45 AM

You seem very angry with Christians and at God for some reason.

For an atheist, being "angry at god" is like being angry at Voldemort.

There are 20+ page atheist threads raging against Voldemort Huh

Youre posting in one right now.

That's 'coz i read http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Premi%C3%A8re_Ubu_Roi.jpg/200px-Premi%C3%A8re_Ubu_Roi.jpg at an impressionable young age.
(+1 for evol books ruining minds)

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Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 11:13:55 AM

Quote from: crumbcake on May 31, 2013, 11:54:45 AM

You seem very angry with Christians and at God for some reason.

For an atheist, being "angry at god" is like being angry at Voldemort.

There are 20+ page atheist threads raging against Voldemort Huh

Youre posting in one right now.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law , the prophesy has been fulfilled, let's end this sucker! Roll Eyes

Wow. I've never heard of Godwin's law before but I'm a believer now.

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Quote from: crumbcake on May 31, 2013, 11:54:45 AM

Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 11:40:50 AM

Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 11:40:50 AM

I have no doubt that Hitler wanted to seem Christian, but actions speak louder than words. But, in case that's not enough, here's some words too:

Quote

"I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews."

Now there we have the No True Scotsman. No Christian ever thinks any other Christian is "true" if they've given Christianity bad press. Ridiculous. You've no doubt sinned at some point but you think you're still Christian. So, what if Hitler asked for forgiveness for all his sins in the manner you deem most "correct"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler was raised Catholic. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he made statements affirming a belief in Christianity. He called the purge of Jews "positive Christianity." While there is debate over his actual private feelings about the faith, he was a publicly practicing Christian. There exists no known evidence that Hitler was an atheist or agnostic. Again: evidence he was Christian; no evidence he was otherwise.

Hitler said: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

The Reichskonkordat was a treaty signed on 20 July 1933 between the Holy See (Catholic Church) and Nazi Germany, guaranteeing the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. Yes, the Catholic Church colluded with Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law , the prophesy has been fulfilled, let's end this sucker! Roll Eyes

Touché!

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I have no doubt that Hitler wanted to seem Christian, but actions speak louder than words. But, in case that's not enough, here's some words too:

Quote

"I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews."

Now there we have the No True Scotsman. No Christian ever thinks any other Christian is "true" if they've given Christianity bad press. Ridiculous. You've no doubt sinned at some point but you think you're still Christian. So, what if Hitler asked for forgiveness for all his sins in the manner you deem most "correct"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler was raised Catholic. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he made statements affirming a belief in Christianity. He called the purge of Jews "positive Christianity." While there is debate over his actual private feelings about the faith, he was a publicly practicing Christian. There exists no known evidence that Hitler was an atheist or agnostic. Again: evidence he was Christian; no evidence he was otherwise.

Hitler said: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

The Reichskonkordat was a treaty signed on 20 July 1933 between the Holy See (Catholic Church) and Nazi Germany, guaranteeing the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. Yes, the Catholic Church colluded with Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law , the prophesy has been fulfilled, let's end this sucker! Roll Eyes

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Quote from: neurobox on May 31, 2013, 12:19:58 AM

I have no doubt that Hitler wanted to seem Christian, but actions speak louder than words. But, in case that's not enough, here's some words too:

Quote

"I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews."

Now there we have the No True Scotsman. No Christian ever thinks any other Christian is "true" if they've given Christianity bad press. Ridiculous. You've no doubt sinned at some point but you think you're still Christian. So, what if Hitler asked for forgiveness for all his sins in the manner you deem most "correct"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler was raised Catholic. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he made statements affirming a belief in Christianity. He called the purge of Jews "positive Christianity." While there is debate over his actual private feelings about the faith, he was a publicly practicing Christian. There exists no known evidence that Hitler was an atheist or agnostic. Again: evidence he was Christian; no evidence he was otherwise.

Hitler said: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

The Reichskonkordat was a treaty signed on 20 July 1933 between the Holy See (Catholic Church) and Nazi Germany, guaranteeing the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. Yes, the Catholic Church colluded with Nazis.

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Quote from: Rassah on May 30, 2013, 10:27:41 PM

Quote from: neurobox on May 30, 2013, 07:24:16 PM

I was a post-atheist, progressive, Taoist, channelling, divining, manifesting OOB junky and was delivered in one day.

If you were a Taoist, channeling, divining, and manifesting (no idea what OOB is), then you were never an atheist. You simply exchanged one brand of bullshit for another.

Not how I see it, but fair enough, you kinda had to be there. I'm confident that if I could write a long enough book I could demonstrate just how seemingly logical of a progression it was. That stuff is a lie, but also just real enough to be incredibly dangerous.

You're still "there," in the midst of more lies. When you talk of those other beliefs you are describing your current one.

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Quote from: BitChick on May 31, 2013, 12:04:51 AM

That said, I do feel like there is a movement towards Christianity being less accepted, or popular, in our society than it used to be. This is my own perception of course.

Christianity is on the decline in the U.S. It is still disproportionally high, however. You should expect a bumpy ride down since the U.S. is @75% Christian and Europe is something like @13% (depending on types, yadda). It is expected as America matures that fundamentalism in particular will subside to European levels.

It is still growing I believe in Africa and I think China of all places, last I looked. I think the Chinese Christian rise is tied to the "Christian materialism" movement in the U.S. which comes to countries of wealth. It is just cherry picking the bible of course; another branch that chooses to ignore certain bible teachings over others.

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Quote from: KeyserSoze on May 31, 2013, 11:13:55 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on May 31, 2013, 11:13:27 AM

You seem very angry with Christians and at God for some reason.

For an atheist, being "angry at god" is like being angry at Voldemort.

There are 20+ page atheist threads raging against Voldemort Huh

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This reminds me of a friends funny story: his mother had cancer and got a colostomy (a plastic bag is glued to your stomach and waste goes in the bag). The mother couldn't stand this new pastor that took over for the old one at her church that she knew for years. Sunday morning the new pastor would stand at the exit after the sermon and shake everyone's hand as they left (the old pastor didn't do that). This made leaving the church very slow as people would stop to talk. He said his mother would poke a pin into the bag right as she got to the pastor to shake his hand releasing the gas inside and refused to let go of his hand for a long time. This happened every Sunday for a month. The new pastor stopped greeting everyone at the door.

True story.

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Quote from: Rassah on May 30, 2013, 10:41:17 PM

Rejecting god, and then coming to realize that it's all nothing but a fairy tale was the best thing that has ever happened to me, and I have been happy ever since!

Congrats on releasing yourself from the shackles of religion!

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