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legendary
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May 26, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
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May 26, 2013, 01:01:02 PM
Pray one little prayer: "God if you are real, show yourself to me."
It sound simple, yet so many people I talk to are unwilling to do that one simple little thing.

That's because it is a known waste of time, and possibly the most arrogant thing a human could do, asking a god to change its plans for the universe simply to satiate your desire.


They might have to admit that there is a God and that they do not have it all figured out.  That is not even worth the risk of praying one little prayer so they laugh at me and say I am stupid and go on.

No one can "admit there's a god" because no one knows if there is a supernatural creator, ever, whether your wishes are granted or not. You are speaking of knowledge on a topic that can at best only ever be spoken of within the realm of belief.

I wouldn't say you're stupid. Some very intelligent people believe in ridiculous things for all kinds of reasons. As humans we are susceptible to it for many reasons. We seek pattern and reason and comfort. Some people still cast bones or read animal entrails; many still believe in birthdates as somehow significant when it is plainly known our own current calendars are skewed from any known original birth signs. People are easily fooled, even skeptics can be. We believe what we think we see even knowing our eyes can be fooled.

While I wouldn't say you're stupid, I would say you simply need to critically evaluate your beliefs. You said you're here to invest (make money). This doesn't jibe with your religion...

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
Matthew 19:24

"Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Matthew 19:21

Note that no where in the Bible does Jesus say it's a great idea to multiply your money via bitcoins, and in fact

Now the typical answer here is for a religious person to tell us all that we're "interpreting it wrong" or some such, however there is no end to interpretation. You either believe the Bible and each word in it is at least a teaching lesson of your god (if not an outright commandment), or you believe it should be interpreted. If it can be interpreted then any interpretation is as good as another since they are all humanly fallible. If it shouldn't be interpreted then you have a busy week ahead of you as you have many people that need killing as outlined in the bible, such as homosexuals, people who wear the wrong clothing, or generally anyone that doesn't think like you; for an added bonus you can begin selling your own children into slavery.

There's nothing wrong with making money, and it's nice to be nice, but you don't need an ancient book written by violent Bronze Age goat herders (with the average smarts of a current day 6th-grader) to tell you how to live.
 


So, it looks like a "6" and there are three of them and they are on every single bar code.

And yet, one can easily find that your belief is factually wrong. Here's another:
http://www.virtualsalt.com/barcode.htm


These are things that might cause someone to think there is some truth there.

Not someone who takes 10 minutes to google it and read a few articles. You can find articles telling you the myth is true "because I believe it might be" and you can find articles showing you, with verifiable proof, that the myth is simply superstition. The only reason why the answer isn't obvious to you after those 10 minutes is because the reality of it begins to chip away at the inextricable maze of delusion which religion demands of an individual. That humming in your brain is called cognitive dissonance.


Revelation said it needed to be "Calculated".  I calculate that there are three hidden sixes on bar codes.  Of course, people do not want to believe it.  I know most will be perfectly fine putting a bar code on their hands and foreheads and will say some Christians are crazy for not doing it.  But I am just saying it is something to think about.  You don't have to agree with me.

The entire bible is a fraud. It contains as much fact as does The Lord of The Rings. There isn't a good reason for wasting another moment of your life being conned by it.

Here's some other peyote-inspired things Revelation says:

1) 1:3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

In other words, John believed Jesus would return in his lifetime. Only Christian loons, practicing poor reading and critical thinking skills 2000 years later, somehow believe this to have been extended for millennia.

2) 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;"
2:13 "I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth."

Satan lives in the town of Pergamos. One would think the U.S. could send in Seal Team 6 if this were the case.

3) 4:6 "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind."
4:7 "And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle."
4:8 "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."

LOL... evidently John has made use of the Silk Road.

Of course, there's much more absurdity but I guess it wouldn't help. If you're going to buy such absurdity then it really doesn't matter if the absurdity is pointed out to you.

I was having a similar discussion with another adherent a few months ago who was adamant that recent NASA photos of the sun confirmed we're in End Times because there were swirls on the surface which looked to him like "sackcloth of hair", even though the sun was not black and even though the moon was not red (other biblical requirements). You will see what you want to see.
legendary
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May 26, 2013, 10:07:58 AM
I am certain that if 10% of any congregation insisted on tithing in bitcoins this morning; that the Southern Baptist Convention et al would come out with an overwhelming statement of support of Bitcoin in the coming days. Money drives the church like most other endeavors. Fool yourself into thinking otherwise if you wish, but you would be wrong in so doing.       

This made me laugh out loud.  It is sad but probably true.   Roll Eyes


legendary
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May 26, 2013, 09:29:06 AM
btw how's that for a hidden 666 in plain sight  Shocked



same as the google symbol

Satanists  Sad(
legendary
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May 26, 2013, 09:17:30 AM
Time is an illusion of human device a relative concept, backed by math, and grounded in science, being one of three fundamental components that make up all matter in existence. Religion (also an illusion) gives those without reason a lens with which to view their surroundings and examine their inner selves too lazy to think and learn, a convenient, simple, happy story, which can be summarized as "God did it," and be used as an excuse from having to figure out what happened and from taking responsibility for one's own life. The absence of faith is indeed faith simply growing up and putting the children's stories behind us.

I wonder if pwi believes that one needs faith to not believe in unicorns and Harry Potter...
legendary
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May 26, 2013, 08:14:24 AM
btw how's that for a hidden 666 in plain sight  Shocked

pwi
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May 26, 2013, 02:46:54 AM
Religious zealots, Bitcoin zealots... Roll Eyes
Yeah, the convergence between those two groups is uncanny.

Immediately after I joined the forum I was struck by how oftern the people professing themselves atheist/agnostic kept slipping into using the theological phraseology.

After a while I seem to recognize the similarities in motivation: both groups seem unsecure and search for a stable foundation.

The first group tends to find them in the Bible, the second in the limit of 21 000 000 coins. Both call them "set in stone", although the stone is just a language: Aramaic/Greek/Hebrew in the first case, C++ in the second.

I'm going to insert the following quote just because it is a nice mixture of being both succint and sarcastic.
I'm more concerned with the religion OF bitcoin.  Their are FAR too many people who have near apocalyptic visions of how BTC will transform the world and bring torment an damnation upon governments, banks, Keynesians and everyone who has ever mocked them.  While the BTCers will be enraptured in wealth and splendor and rule the world at the right-hand of Satoshi.  Sound familiar???

And since this is weekend I can post relevant Youtube links:

Tribulation by Dennis Brown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUD91sG3Ut0

Tribulation by Ras Nyto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVG_OLd6upo

Both links are reggae, but different songs.

Badass! Thank you.
pwi
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May 26, 2013, 02:42:39 AM
pwi
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May 26, 2013, 02:34:59 AM
I thought you were going to mention how Muslims can only use certain forex brokers for some weird fucking reason.

The "weird fucking reason" being: making money from money is considered haram (sinful) in Islam. Which is exactly why the Islamic Bank of Bitcoin doesn't take interest.

So on one hand Islam is a logical friend of bitcoin, due to the whole "deconstructing traditional banking" thing.

On the other hand Islam is a logical enemy of bitcoinERS, due to the... just look at the marketplace and you'll get it.

On a happier note, lending at a profit is perfectly fine for Christians ... as long as they don't bother reading the Bible:

If thou lend money to any of my people with thee that is poor, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest. Exodus 22:25, American Standard translation (to avoid archaic use of usury In KJV) Shocked



I <3 this.

pwi
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May 26, 2013, 02:32:56 AM
lol religion. What is this, year 2?

Time is an illusion of human device. Religion (also an illusion) gives those without reason a lens with which to view their surroundings and examine their inner selves, myself included. The absence of faith is indeed faith.

Spirituality is real regardless of one's failure to recognize it. 
pwi
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May 26, 2013, 02:26:47 AM

There you go putting religious texts into historical and logical perspective. This just doesn't make much sense to the target audience - the religious fundamentalist.

The locusts are coming (http://www.cicadamania.com/where.html) in the same year that Bitcoin is on an astronomical trajectory in both value and adoption. I scare. You scare?

Sarcasm off.

Religious zealots, Bitcoin zealots... Roll Eyes

Count me in as a Bitcoin zealot. At the very least, one that choses to capitalize on the zealot nature of Bitcoin 'followers'. 
pwi
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May 26, 2013, 02:16:57 AM
Many fundamental religious folks thought that barcodes were to be the mark of the beast. Then it was the magnetic strips in credit cards. Smart cards were the next logical step for those preaching the times of Revelation were upon us. Not many modern Christians believe that any of those things are devilish and make use of them daily without fear of being cast from Heaven.    



That said,  I do think that many Christians will be opposed to using Bitcoin out of fear but I feel strongly that Christians should be more interested in it than anyone.  There might come a day when it will become difficult to buy and sell anonymously (when we are forced to have a number on our hands or heads) and then Bitcoin could be very useful.

Personally, I have posted this already but will reiterate, I think that Bitcoin will succeed and because of that governments will lose "control" and that will force them to do something drastic.  Perhaps the "drastic" thing will be a mark on each person to keep track of who is buying and selling?  It is certainly something to think about.

I'm a Christian by faith, but it is just that; faith...Blind and absent any logical foundation. It's merely an algorithmic salad bowl present in my mind alone;  derived from being born at the time I was born, in the western hemisphere, raised by the parents I'm forced to claim, and ultimately my own choice. It is a choice that is neither popular with fellow Christians because of my interpretations, nor non-Christians because my faith is in fact 'silly'.

I am intelligent enough to accept that that my blind faith is indeed blind. My day to day decisions are guided by principles outside of this faith. However, my morality is dictated by it. You could even say that I'm not good enough absent this illogical faith to behave in a moral way otherwise.

The principles of Christianity permeate most religious doctrine and visa versa. Scripture indicates that Christ was here from the beginning and was and is present in cultures still unaware of men in shiny suits that will be passing plates this morning to pay for big houses and nice automobiles. Dismissing other cultures, religions, beliefs, other than ones' own is indeed anti-Christian. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and most world religions share foundation principles with Christianity. I choose to study and practice them all while viewing through this lens and a spirit of love and acceptance of all that contain some truth.   

I completely agree with the portion of your post that I have quoted. Christians should be most aware and most accepting of Bitcoin for the very reasons you mentioned; whether I agree with them or not. Most fundamental Christians are innately stupid/ignorant. I'm almost embarrassed to align myself with the modern perception of Christianity. My personal program does not align with them.   

Religious affiliation or not; I will not be accepting any government mandate or mark. Most bitcoiners would fall into this category by mere nature and desire for independence from oppression.

I am certain that if 10% of any congregation insisted on tithing in bitcoins this morning; that the Southern Baptist Convention et al would come out with an overwhelming statement of support of Bitcoin in the coming days. Money drives the church like most other endeavors. Fool yourself into thinking otherwise if you wish, but you would be wrong in so doing.       
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
May 26, 2013, 01:16:08 AM




By grace we are saved, and not by works.

Through faith in jesus christ, we are saved from the judgment of the law.

The wages of sin is death.

But Jesus Paid the price on our behalf.

God accepted Jesus sacrifice, and there is no longer anything owing.

We are now free to live our lives, so as unto God.

With Jesus Christ as intercessor between us and God.

Therefore we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Imanuel, Lamb of God, Annointed Savior, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

And we give thanks to God. Smiley



So Jesus Christ is your heaven broker. Does he get 6% of your soul upon close of escrow?
sr. member
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May 26, 2013, 01:12:43 AM
lol religion. What is this, year 2?

+1
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May 26, 2013, 01:07:18 AM




By grace we are saved, and not by works.

Through faith in jesus christ, we are saved from the judgment of the law.

The wages of sin is death.

But Jesus Paid the price on our behalf.

God accepted Jesus sacrifice, and there is no longer anything owing.

We are now free to live our lives, so as unto God.

With Jesus Christ as intercessor between us and God.

Therefore we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Imanuel, Lamb of God, Annointed Savior, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

And we give thanks to God. Smiley

newbie
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May 26, 2013, 12:20:33 AM
Money, among other things, is amoral. People lie, cheat, and kill over these things. That makes the person immoral, not the thing. It seems everyone is an extremist these days. You would think that with greater access to information and greater freedom, people would think instead of adopting other people's views unquestionably. Truly a shame.
legendary
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May 26, 2013, 12:18:59 AM
I introduced bitcoin to a friend and they started talking about how the bible predicts a currency take over and its the start of the Revelation.

Has anyone else run into this problem?
I think he is referring to the USD, there's no evidence to suggests BTC will take over the world, if the prediction has any chance of applying to BTC and being believed this would be a sure sign to start investing in BTC now.

So where is the problem?
sr. member
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May 26, 2013, 12:04:34 AM
Then there was my case. I "believed" in God, but what had he done for me lately? Nothing. Then I got ill. Very Ill.
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 Miraculously, I recovered, only to get cancer a couple years later.
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Then it happened AGAIN - this time a major heart attack.

Holy crap, god must really hate your ass. He keeps trying to kill you, but those meddling doctors keep saving you. No wonder god hates biology and medical science!

LOL! That's actually pretty funny. But I figure if God wants you dead, that's pretty much it. You HAVE read the Old Testament haven't you?  hahaha

BTW, I DO give credit to the doctors as well for saving me. But when the Doctors say's your not gonna make it, your in Gods territory then.
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May 26, 2013, 12:02:15 AM
I still think that barcodes will be used as the mark of the beast.  Each barcode has 666 hidden in it already.

Thankfully the world is just about through coddling medieval superstitious nonsense. Childish notions like these are refuted over and over yet some choose to wallow in ignorance. No one knows if there is a Creator but we do know the Bible, and every entity in man's entire pantheon, are false. Take the thumb out of your mouth and grow up before Zeus strikes you with a thunderbolt.
http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp

If you are so sure you are right then I have a simple challenge for you.

Pray one little prayer: "God if you are real, show yourself to me."

It sound simple, yet so many people I talk to are unwilling to do that one simple little thing.  

OK... I did that... Was something supposed to happen?

Also, how come you don't believe in Santa Claus?

Do you know that something DIDN'T happen?
sr. member
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May 26, 2013, 12:00:37 AM
Then there was my case. I "believed" in God, but what had he done for me lately? Nothing. Then I got ill. Very Ill.
...
 Miraculously, I recovered, only to get cancer a couple years later.
...
Then it happened AGAIN - this time a major heart attack.

Holy crap, god must really hate your ass. He keeps trying to kill you, but those meddling doctors keep saving you. No wonder god hates biology and medical science!

LOL! That's actually pretty funny. But I figure if God wants you dead, that's pretty much it. You HAVE read the Old Testament haven't you?  hahaha
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